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Post by feltonshrew on Mar 29, 2020 9:57:55 GMT 1
Hey Northwestern.. how about you sign up as a volunteer special constable and risk covid 19 every time you step out of the house to look after the public like the police and emergency workers are doing every day of the week. There’s always someone like you who wants to have a dig or suggest powers are over used from the comfort of their own home. a bit of common sense and sticking with the restrictions isn’t too much to ask is it.. however no doubt you will come back with some cocky or sarcastic know it all response. Muppet Putting black dye in a blue lagoon, thus making it even more appealing to photograph is the work of a true "muppet".
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 29, 2020 10:10:39 GMT 1
Policing is by consent, tactics should always be questioned. When the Daily Mail is highlighting incidents of the police going over the top in their enforcement then middle England is, at least, asking questions. It's going to be hard for the next 13 weeks so the public need to be kept on side, otherwise we are heading for civil unrest.
How many of these hard line tactics are being devised by the people working on the ground and how many are coming down from hard line police chief keyboard warriors working from home?
Are we actually all hiding from a killer desease, or are we just trying to not overload the health service? Far too expensive to have enough health care in place for emergencies like this, but questions will be asked about why the NHS has been flatlining for years.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Mar 29, 2020 10:24:08 GMT 1
Policing is by consent, tactics should always be questioned. When the Daily Mail is highlighting incidents of the police going over the top in their enforcement then middle England is, at least, asking questions. It's going to be hard for the next 13 weeks so the public need to be kept on side, otherwise we are heading for civil unrest. How many of these hard line tactics are being devised by the people working on the ground and how many are coming down from hard line police chief keyboard warriors working from home? I can assure you these questions are an affront to the force. Police questions should NOT be questioned, especially in these troubled times.
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Post by feltonshrew on Mar 29, 2020 10:29:32 GMT 1
Considering the situation we are in then for a period of time policing is not by consent as a hard line is required to save lives. It’s actually time to keep opinions to yourself and do what has been asked by the government, because if you don’t you could be responsible for more people dying . It’s as simple as that
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 29, 2020 10:32:51 GMT 1
Policing is by consent, tactics should always be questioned. When the Daily Mail is highlighting incidents of the police going over the top in their enforcement then middle England is, at least, asking questions. It's going to be hard for the next 13 weeks so the public need to be kept on side, otherwise we are heading for civil unrest. How many of these hard line tactics are being devised by the people working on the ground and how many are coming down from hard line police chief keyboard warriors working from home? I can assure you these questions are an affront to the force. Police questions should NOT be questioned, especially in these troubled times. Then it's civil unrest very soon. Wonder if Boris has a buyback clause on those water cannons? I did not say the police should be questioned, I said the tactics should be questioned. The police on the ground are to be supported, but the hard line police chiefs are having a field day devising ways to suppress the public.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 29, 2020 10:59:54 GMT 1
Considering the situation we are in then for a period of time policing is not by consent as a hard line is required to save lives. It’s actually time to keep opinions to yourself and do what has been asked by the government, because if you don’t you could be responsible for more people dying . It’s as simple as that “Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thought crime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.” George Orwell 1984. 1984 details Oceania’s attempt to replace Oldspeak, or English, with Newspeak, a linguistic shorthand that reduces the world of ideas to a set of simple, stark words. “The whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought.” It will render dissent “literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.” But it never comes to pass. The Party’s plans—the abolition of the family, laughter, art, literature, curiosity, pleasure, in favor of a “boot stamping down on a human face forever”—are never achieved because Newspeak fails to take. Why? Because it was too difficult to translate Oldspeak literature into Newspeak. The text Orwell singles out to exemplify this, intriguingly, is the Declaration of Independence. Orwell argues that these ideas cannot be expressed in Newspeak, specifically the part about governments deriving their legitimacy from the consent of the people, and citizens having the right to challenge any government that fails to honour the contract. As long as we have a nuanced, expansive system of language, Orwell claims, we will have freedom and the possibility of dissent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 12:26:29 GMT 1
Considering the situation we are in then for a period of time policing is not by consent as a hard line is required to save lives. It’s actually time to keep opinions to yourself and do what has been asked by the government, because if you don’t you could be responsible for more people dying . It’s as simple as that Policing is by consent. It's what makes us a democracy. The government have given the police extra powers under law and they have been agreed upon by Parliament, our representatives. These powers will be under review. This is what we do in the UK. We're not some tin-pot dictatorship, a authoritarian regime, or a totalitarian regime, but if we go down the 'hard-line' route then we will become so. Remember, during WWII, we were still a functioning democracy.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Mar 30, 2020 11:09:04 GMT 1
Went shopping in Newtown. On the way out by the new By-pass, there were the owd Heddlu, Dyfed Powys finest, pulling every Juan over. He looked in the back of the car and seeing the bags, said, "Been shopping have you". I felt like saying, "No, I've been to a ****ing funeral", but as I wanted to get home instead of spending the morning at her majesty's pleasure, I confirmed I had indeed been shopping.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 11:26:42 GMT 1
Went shopping in Newtown. On the way out by the new By-pass, there were the owd Heddlu, Dyfed Powys finest, pulling every Juan over. He looked in the back of the car and seeing the bags, said, "Been shopping have you". I felt like saying, "No, I've been to a ****ing funeral", but as I wanted to get home instead of spending the morning at her majesty's pleasure, I confirmed I had indeed been shopping. 😀😀😂😂 very amusing jt . Reminds me of Jethro who came up with this beauty . Police stops car Jethro was driving . Police Officer strolls over and says “ been drinking have we Sir “ To which Jethro replies “ Well , I don’t know about you Officer but I’ve had about 10 pints “. Always makes me smile that , your “ ... Ive been to a f..king funeral “ comment is in similar vein . Keep on keeping safe .
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Post by wakemanender on Mar 30, 2020 11:33:25 GMT 1
The Newtown By-Pass would have been an excellent place for the Police to do spot checks. Just imagine if youd got the kids on the back seat of the car surrounded by buckets and spades and inflatables as you approach the Police check point. You would feel you were at the Mexican border and about to be searched for drugs. Do you do a quick u turn and speed off with water pistols at the ready.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 30, 2020 11:46:49 GMT 1
Went shopping in Newtown. On the way out by the new By-pass, there were the owd Heddlu, Dyfed Powys finest, pulling every Juan over. He looked in the back of the car and seeing the bags, said, "Been shopping have you". I felt like saying, "No, I've been to a ****ing funeral", but as I wanted to get home instead of spending the morning at her majesty's pleasure, I confirmed I had indeed been shopping. Seems you can claim the prize for first poster stopped. I wonder if, on the way in without the shopping bags, you would have been turned back to a more local shop (if you have one). This wasn't you then: Coronavirus: Driver stopped on lockdown trip with wife in boot www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52088987
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Mar 30, 2020 11:59:04 GMT 1
Went shopping in Newtown. On the way out by the new By-pass, there were the owd Heddlu, Dyfed Powys finest, pulling every Juan over. He looked in the back of the car and seeing the bags, said, "Been shopping have you". I felt like saying, "No, I've been to a ****ing funeral", but as I wanted to get home instead of spending the morning at her majesty's pleasure, I confirmed I had indeed been shopping. Did you have Mrs JT in the boot?
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Mar 30, 2020 12:00:26 GMT 1
I'm semi-retired but I work on Saturday and Sunday as delivery driver for a major parcels delivery company, therefore for those two days per week I'm classed as a key worker. Admittedly nothing like as important as the wonderful NHS staff but still a small link in the nations distribution chain. The world in which we live in is a silent place at the moment, very few cars on the road, shops closed and town centres absolutely deserted. Once you get off the major A and B roads and on to the lanes you are driving in your own little world, spectacular views for miles round and glorious weather but it's almost as if you are the last human left alive travelling through deserted hamlets and villages while looking for any sign of life
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 30, 2020 12:35:36 GMT 1
I'm semi-retired but I work on Saturday and Sunday as delivery driver for a major parcels delivery company, therefore for those two days per week I'm classed as a key worker. Admittedly nothing like as important as the wonderful NHS staff but still a small link in the nations distribution chain. The world in which we live in is a silent place at the moment, very few cars on the road, shops closed and town centres absolutely deserted. Once you get off the major A and B roads and on to the lanes you are driving in your own little world, spectacular views for miles round and glorious weather but it's almost as if you are the last human left alive travelling through deserted hamlets and villages while looking for any sign of life Watch out for them there ruddy great agragulteral vehicles coming round the narrow bends whose drivers are thinking exactly the same thing.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 30, 2020 13:10:53 GMT 1
Went shopping in Newtown. On the way out by the new By-pass, there were the owd Heddlu, Dyfed Powys finest, pulling every Juan over. He looked in the back of the car and seeing the bags, said, "Been shopping have you". I felt like saying, "No, I've been to a ****ing funeral", but as I wanted to get home instead of spending the morning at her majesty's pleasure, I confirmed I had indeed been shopping. Did you have Mrs JT in the boot?
I dont see the problem here, the guy additional safety procedures, to ensure 6 feet distancing he popped his missus in the boot and even installed an additional double glazing window in between them this guy is a great role model
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 30, 2020 13:59:28 GMT 1
Police and councils are attempting to restrict shops from stocking Easter eggs. Neither has the power to do this.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 30, 2020 14:03:03 GMT 1
Police and councils are attempting to restrict shops from stocking Easter eggs. Neither has the power to do this. OMG. More panick buying coming up then. We can live without toilet rolls but not without chocolate.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 30, 2020 14:05:19 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 30, 2020 14:10:30 GMT 1
You do understand why plenty of folk dont have a lot of respect for the police when you read stuff like this.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 30, 2020 14:14:43 GMT 1
You do understand why plenty of folk dont have a lot of respect for the police when you read stuff like this. In several parts of the country, reports have emerged of police and environmental health officers trying to stop shopkeepers from selling certain products they deem non-essential, such as Easter eggs. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52090441
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 30, 2020 14:24:18 GMT 1
Having had time to restock and replenish, apart from social distancing and people off sick self isolating, why should there be any problems with supermarket stocking and supplying the whole range of goods now at normal prices?
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 30, 2020 14:29:12 GMT 1
Try listening to the World at One (Radio 4) www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000gt59 listen from 17.06 to 24.05 Well worth a listen, especially by those supporting over the top policing in areas like Derbyshire. Also, later, Bright House has gone into liquidation, they have been overcharging for years, so no tears from me, apart from for the staff and their loss of jobs of course.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 30, 2020 14:38:45 GMT 1
The point about the Easter eggs is simply this: they simply do not have the power to do that. Regulation 6(2) says that people can leave their homes to shop for necessities. Included as an example of a necessity is "food". "Food" isn't defined in the regulations and so a non-technical definition should be used. Under any such definition chocolate is food and so a necessity under the regulation.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 30, 2020 15:49:33 GMT 1
Having had time to restock and replenish, apart from social distancing and people off sick self isolating, why should there be any problems with supermarket stocking and supplying the whole range of goods now at normal prices? you would hope that now the few weeks of intial panic shopping ,which resulted in vast quanaties of unsused food been thrown away and many people with a years supply of toilet paper ,long life milk and multiple freezers full to the brim common sense can return.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 20:40:29 GMT 1
Having had time to restock and replenish, apart from social distancing and people off sick self isolating, why should there be any problems with supermarket stocking and supplying the whole range of goods now at normal prices? you would hope that now the few weeks of intial panic shopping ,which resulted in vast quanaties of unsused food been thrown away and many people with a years supply of toilet paper ,long life milk and multiple freezers full to the brim common sense can return. We've just done our first big shop since returning back to the UK and we were able to purchase the majority of things on our list. Had to wait 15 minutes in the queue to get into the store but given the circumstances no big deal.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 30, 2020 21:19:18 GMT 1
you would hope that now the few weeks of intial panic shopping ,which resulted in vast quanaties of unsused food been thrown away and many people with a years supply of toilet paper ,long life milk and multiple freezers full to the brim common sense can return. We've just done our first big shop since returning back to the UK and we were able to purchase the majority of things on our list. Had to wait 15 minutes in the queue to get into the store but given the circumstances no big deal. glad to hear you could get all the things you need
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 21:24:36 GMT 1
We've just done our first big shop since returning back to the UK and we were able to purchase the majority of things on our list. Had to wait 15 minutes in the queue to get into the store but given the circumstances no big deal. glad to hear you could get all the things you need Thanks
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Post by northwestman on Mar 31, 2020 8:52:52 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8169827/Neil-Basu-warns-police-against-overzealous-enforcing-coronavirus-lockdown.htmlOne of Britain's most senior police chiefs has warned his colleagues against 'overzealous' enforcement of the coronavirus lockdown, as it emerged officers were given guidance four days ago about adopting a 'consistent' approach to dealing with the public. Scotland Yard anti-terror chief Neil Basu demanded officers maintain the British tradition of 'policing by consent' and said their conduct would be remembered for generations after they were accused of abusing their powers. Today it also emerged that the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC) and the College of Policing had emphasised the importance of professionalism and adopting a 'single style and tone' - but some forces chose a harder option. The briefing document, leaked to the BBC, said police should keep an 'inquisitive, questioning mindset' when speaking to people outside the house, and made it clear punishments such as fines and arrests should not be used in all cases. Former Supreme Court judge Lord Sumption criticised Derbyshire Police for having 'shamed our policing traditions' with 'frankly disgraceful' efforts of trying to shame people exercising in the countryside. Lord Sumption told Radio Four's World At One: 'In some parts of the country the police have been trying to stop people from doing things like travelling to take exercise in the open country which are not contrary to the regulations simply because ministers have said that they would prefer us not to. 'The police have no power to enforce ministers' preferences but only legal regulations which don't go anything like as far as the Government's guidance.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 31, 2020 10:36:36 GMT 1
"Their conduct would be remembered for generations" - reminiscent of the way some police forces behaved in the miner's strike and it's still remembered.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 12:24:15 GMT 1
Police were at the car parks by the Wrekin yesterday. Loads of cars there. Not sure what the message was as i was driving past not parked (for work). Same here up at Pontesford Hill and Poles Coppice. Notes left on cars saying regs no.'s taken and that exercise should be from your own home not driving to somewhere and exercising elsewhere. Same thing is happening at Delamere forest. The local PCSO has been very busy handing out notices.
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