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Post by edgmond on Jan 12, 2020 18:41:42 GMT 1
Anyone else beginning to get the impression that it's 'my way or the highway' with SR? The entire backroom staff replaced, Sadler moved on rather than given a position at the Club, and only Whalley, Beckles, Norburn, Laurent and one or two of the youth team players left from previous regimes. LJL (almost certainly) and Fejiri (very likely) to be out of the door fairly soon. Now admittedly we had some dead wood to shift, but to not have one member of the backroom staff SR inherited still in place seems surprising. And for SR to state that Henshall doesn't need to be replaced, but he'll rely on contacts instead is at the very least questionable. This is not unusual in the modern game. The replacement of backroom staff when a new manager arrives is par for the course, often in an almost overnight fashion. Henshall has only recently gone and Ricketts has been in post over a year. Also, Eric Ramsay left for a definite step up in his career, not because his face didn't fit. You could argue as well that a Head of Recruitment is something of a luxury at a club of our size. Not long ago, managers were entirely responsible for choosing new players, with the aid of scouts. With every game now being videoed, the role of the scout is probably less significant, so why should the club spend valuable resources on replacing Henshall? There are plenty of people on the coaching staff to assist SR in looking at possible new signings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 20:02:28 GMT 1
Anyone else beginning to get the impression that it's 'my way or the highway' with SR? The entire backroom staff replaced, Sadler moved on rather than given a position at the Club, and only Whalley, Beckles, Norburn, Laurent and one or two of the youth team players left from previous regimes. LJL (almost certainly) and Fejiri (very likely) to be out of the door fairly soon. Now admittedly we had some dead wood to shift, but to not have one member of the backroom staff SR inherited still in place seems surprising. And for SR to state that Henshall doesn't need to be replaced, but he'll rely on contacts instead is at the very least questionable. Which is 100% how it should be in any management role, whatever the industry. You are in charge and you have the final say in what happens. If staff don’t like it, the door is always there.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 12, 2020 20:32:04 GMT 1
Anyone else beginning to get the impression that it's 'my way or the highway' with SR? The entire backroom staff replaced, Sadler moved on rather than given a position at the Club, and only Whalley, Beckles, Norburn, Laurent and one or two of the youth team players left from previous regimes. LJL (almost certainly) and Fejiri (very likely) to be out of the door fairly soon. Now admittedly we had some dead wood to shift, but to not have one member of the backroom staff SR inherited still in place seems surprising. And for SR to state that Henshall doesn't need to be replaced, but he'll rely on contacts instead is at the very least questionable. For better or worse, I hope it is Ricketts' way or the highway. At this level, there's no point having a manager who doesn't control the playing and coaching staff. He'll live or die (metaphorically) by how he exercises that control. It's hardly unusual for only a handful of players to remain a year or more after managerial changes. I remember when Jon Taylor and Tom Bradshaw were our longest serving players, aged about 20.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 21:58:38 GMT 1
Anyone else beginning to get the impression that it's 'my way or the highway' with SR?
The same would have been said about Askey, Hurst, Mellon... etc (do you sense a theme?).
Mangers do things their own way, they bring in their own people and use their own contacts, its hardly unique to Ricketts.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 13, 2020 9:22:59 GMT 1
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Post by Exkeeper on Jan 13, 2020 10:09:55 GMT 1
You obviously rate the player higher than I do. Still, opinions differ, none more so than in football.
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Post by wakemanender on Jan 13, 2020 10:22:20 GMT 1
Think its all about the different systems clubs play. He didnt suit the SR system just as Eisa didnt. He may well become a good player in the right system as indeed Eisa has.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 13, 2020 10:25:24 GMT 1
Hope SR has a suitable forward lined up that can play in his system. We look to have freed, or about to free up a decent amount in wages.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 13, 2020 10:25:48 GMT 1
You obviously rate the player higher than I do. Still, opinions differ, none more so than in football. Where have I said that I rate the player? I don't. Nevertheless, he is clearly totally unsuited to play the lone striker role that SR has asked him to do, so perhaps Doncaster might be able to get more out of him. Henshall obviously thinks that might be the case.
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Post by tvor on Jan 13, 2020 10:26:50 GMT 1
Think its all about the different systems clubs play. He didnt suit the SR system just as Eisa didnt. He may well become a good player in the right system as indeed Eisa has. On the evidence so far this season Ricketts' system doesn't suit any forward player. I fear whoever we sign to play in forward positions this window will struggle as the others have done, unless the system is changed.
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Post by tvor on Jan 13, 2020 10:42:59 GMT 1
As someone has pointed out on twitter he originally signed on a two year deal with a further one year option, yet he has been described as out of contract in the summer.
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Post by block18shrew on Jan 13, 2020 10:43:56 GMT 1
Footballers talk. We may find that our options are limited in who ‘wants’ to come here during the window. As a forward I’m not sure I would.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jan 13, 2020 10:44:23 GMT 1
You obviously rate the player higher than I do. Still, opinions differ, none more so than in football. Where have I said that I rate the player? I don't. Nevertheless, he is clearly totally unsuited to play the lone striker role that SR has asked him to do, so perhaps Doncaster might be able to get more out of him. Henshall obviously thinks that might be the case. If Henshall is that good, then perhaps he should be managing a club rather than being a scout under a different name. Fejiri May well succeed at Doncaster if and when selected, but there are flaws in his game that need ironing out. His awareness of what is happening around him leaves a lot to be desired. He is reactive rather than proactive (remember the old saying - “the first five yards is in your head”). He scored 16 last season and I can’t be bothered to check how many were I the second eleven competition that nobody likes and how many were penalties. I remember him scoring a cracking free kick at Bradford and a smart finish at Accy earlier this season, but none of his other goals lived long in the memory.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jan 13, 2020 10:48:40 GMT 1
Feji---- doesn't work hard enough for my liking.seen him a number of times,and I kept saying the same thing---no work in him
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Post by tvor on Jan 13, 2020 10:50:03 GMT 1
Like Udoh this season it was a big step up for Okenabirhie last season. In that context 16 goals was an excellent return, regardless of which competition they came in. For the record 10 were in League 1, 3 in the FA Cup and 3 in the EFL Trophy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 11:06:28 GMT 1
The thought of Brett Pitman as a possible replacement is hardly inspiring, three seasons ago maybe but not now - whispers are Morris turned us down in favour of MKD, Leon Clarke has had a better offer though we were interested and Bogle was/is way out of our budget
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jan 13, 2020 11:08:11 GMT 1
I'm very much a part timer these days and haven't seen enough of Feji to comment.
However, as I said at the time Tom Bradshaw was getting stick on here, natural goalscorers are rare creatures and when you find one he needs to be cherished.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 11:11:02 GMT 1
I'm very much a part timer these days and haven't seen enough of Feji to comment. However, as I said at the time Tom Bradshaw was getting stick on here, natural goalscorers are rare creatures and when you find one he needs to be cherished. Absolutely spot on. I feel for FO, played in a role clearly not suited to him. He proved last season he can score goals in a poor team. Still, I am sure SR has it all worked out in the shorter term.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 13, 2020 11:12:36 GMT 1
As someone has pointed out on twitter he originally signed on a two year deal with a further one year option, yet he has been described as out of contract in the summer. Depends who can exercise that option. One would have hoped that after the Grant fiasco it would only be the Club and not the player, but no doubt agents lean hard on the Club to allow the player the option as well.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 13, 2020 11:21:29 GMT 1
or they announced an option but forgot to put it in.
Dont forget this club can provided many a cock up on contracts...
never rule it out
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 13, 2020 11:26:15 GMT 1
You obviously rate the player higher than I do. Still, opinions differ, none more so than in football. More to the point Doncaster do as-well with their professional recruitment spotters.... What was your view on other ‘stars’ we released like Mark Pugh and Andre Grey et al.......
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 13, 2020 11:27:21 GMT 1
or they announced an option but forgot to put it in. Dont forget this club can provided many a cock up on contracts... never rule it out Come on we can’t be that babb?
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Post by Exkeeper on Jan 13, 2020 11:41:08 GMT 1
You obviously rate the player higher than I do. Still, opinions differ, none more so than in football. More to the point Doncaster do as-well with their professional recruitment spotters.... What was your view on other ‘stars’ we released like Mark Pugh and Andre Grey et al....... I liked Marc Pugh. Andre Grey - I didn’t see enough of him at 1st team level to form an opinion. Questions like that though are irrelevant, you could ask Fergie why he released the young Peter Beardsley or RonSaunders why WBA did not hang on to Steve Bull. I did however, suggest that ten grand Tolley was not the star that others thought he was.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 13, 2020 11:42:38 GMT 1
No one saw enough of Andre Grey at first team level he played a handfull of minutes and looked gassed. No one could tell he was going to go on and be great, and no one batted an eyelid when he went.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 13, 2020 11:48:45 GMT 1
No one saw enough of Andre Grey at first team level he played a handfull of minutes and looked gassed. No one could tell he was going to go on and be great, and no one batted an eyelid when he went. Agreed. But on the other hand, Simpson's assessment of Pugh was seriously flawed. He effectively froze him out and then offloaded him to Turner at Hereford. The rest is history. www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=38008
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Post by philharvey on Jan 13, 2020 11:58:18 GMT 1
Just hope that we are doing the right thing here, we seem to have let a few good ones slip through the net over the years, one I remember was Dalian Atkinson who I'm sure was on the books as a youngster, but released.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 13, 2020 12:20:00 GMT 1
One player we let go for nothing and he went on to get a good fee 6 months later for Luton was Dave Edwards
Whatever happened to him?
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Post by Exkeeper on Jan 13, 2020 12:26:19 GMT 1
One player we let go for nothing and he went on to get a good fee 6 months later for Luton was Dave Edwards Whatever happened to him? He was a decent player(when he was younger).
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 13, 2020 12:50:48 GMT 1
Any Striker looks awful in our system.
Okenabirhie is a decent finisher and they are really, really important - as James Constable will tell you and prove.
For me he can play in a two or as part of a three. But what he needs is pace alongside him.
One up top supported by two midfielders as he has been is playing to all of his weaknesses.
We have created one chance in the last two games without him in the squad. He is not the problem.
As Coyne proved, he should be part of the answer.
Moving him on is going to be a cause of huge regret - our system is not working and now we are binning off players who don't fit the system.
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Post by tvor on Jan 13, 2020 12:53:22 GMT 1
One player we let go for nothing and he went on to get a good fee 6 months later for Luton was Dave Edwards We got a tribunal fee of at least £250,000 for Dave Edwards when he went to Luton and money from the sell on clause when he later signed for Wolves.
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