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Post by Pilch on Aug 14, 2019 11:35:35 GMT 1
Think about it lads
Does anyone think he’s turned up to training 5 minutes late and this is part of his punishment ?
Come on , it’s obviously something so serious it warrant him being kept away from the other players
It’s a private matter, think about yourself at work , do your disciplinary matters get made pubic ?
We have to accept something serious has happened is being dealt with
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 14, 2019 11:41:35 GMT 1
If it was any other business it would be gardening leave (based on the rumors) and would not be welcome at the club AT ALL.
But the club are clear hes training at the club with the youths (though we dont know that's actually happening) so it leaves some wiggle room that this might just be a clash of personality...
But who knows I guess.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 14, 2019 11:43:00 GMT 1
He's a very decent player, so why is there no rush to snap him up?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 12:19:27 GMT 1
He's a very decent player, so why is there no rush to snap him up? Agreed, there's a lot more to this than meets the eye (or the tooth).
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Post by masshrop on Aug 14, 2019 13:18:12 GMT 1
for me still our best midfielder after norburn , if where paying him why not play him
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 13:40:18 GMT 1
He's a very decent player, so why is there no rush to snap him up? I’m told that he's dug his heels in on several occasions - there have been offers made by other clubs in both L1 & L2 but wages offered were not anywhere near matching what our club are paying him and on that basis Grants decision has been to stay put and ‘earn’ his dollar at Shrewsbury
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Post by yesman on Aug 14, 2019 13:43:09 GMT 1
The fact that he's still our player says a lot! If he was as good as many on this board make out why has nobody in our league come in for him yet... I understand wages would be an issue for League Two clubs but it's obviously not just Ricketts who has a problem with Grant being at their club.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 14, 2019 13:57:55 GMT 1
The fact that he's still our player says a lot! If he was as good as many on this board make out why has nobody in our league come in for him yet... I understand wages would be an issue for League Two clubs but it's obviously not just Ricketts who has a problem with Grant being at their club. There have been offers, but he wants a commensurate wage. Its foolish to think clubs wont want him, hes a proven league 1 player and one of the better performers for us last season for the main part. Its not a lack of interest from clubs, its a lack of interest from his bank manager.
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Post by shrewstaz on Aug 14, 2019 14:57:21 GMT 1
If other clubs cannot afford his wages, then let him go on a season loan, with the other club paying some of the amount. Surely its better that we offset some of the wages, rather than us not playing him and stuck with it all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 15:23:25 GMT 1
If other clubs cannot afford his wages, then let him go on a season loan, with the other club paying some of the amount. Surely its better that we offset some of the wages, rather than us not playing him and stuck with it all. Or take disciplinary action and sack him.
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Post by yesman on Aug 14, 2019 15:33:03 GMT 1
The fact that he's still our player says a lot! If he was as good as many on this board make out why has nobody in our league come in for him yet... I understand wages would be an issue for League Two clubs but it's obviously not just Ricketts who has a problem with Grant being at their club. There have been offers, but he wants a commensurate wage. Its foolish to think clubs wont want him, hes a proven league 1 player and one of the better performers for us last season for the main part. Its not a lack of interest from clubs, its a lack of interest from his bank manager. We're talking League Two clubs though...Leyton Orient and Sc***horpe to name two. My point is there has yet to be any speculation regarding interest from League One clubs. We're not known to be big payers in this league so surely doesn't suggest wages being the stumbling block more so a lack of suitors.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 16:26:19 GMT 1
There have been offers, but he wants a commensurate wage. Its foolish to think clubs wont want him, hes a proven league 1 player and one of the better performers for us last season for the main part. Its not a lack of interest from clubs, its a lack of interest from his bank manager. We're talking League Two clubs though...Leyton Orient and Sc***horpe to name two. My point is there has yet to be any speculation regarding interest from League One clubs. We're not known to be big payers in this league so surely doesn't suggest wages being the stumbling block more so a lack of suitors. I was told of one L1 club not a million miles away who enquired but simply could not afford the wages Grant is earning here, Grant preferring to earn a decent salary doing nothing rather than play elsewhere for considerably less
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 14, 2019 17:09:04 GMT 1
We're talking League Two clubs though...Leyton Orient and Sc***horpe to name two. My point is there has yet to be any speculation regarding interest from League One clubs. We're not known to be big payers in this league so surely doesn't suggest wages being the stumbling block more so a lack of suitors. I was told of one L1 club not a million miles away who enquired but simply could not afford the wages Grant is earning here, Grant preferring to earn a decent salary doing nothing rather than play elsewhere for considerably less Coventry?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 17:40:10 GMT 1
If other clubs cannot afford his wages, then let him go on a season loan, with the other club paying some of the amount. Surely its better that we offset some of the wages, rather than us not playing him and stuck with it all. If he wants to go out on loan, that's the problem, we can't make him. It's a shame that it's come to this especially when we were crying out for some serious experience in the middle of the park yesterday evening.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Aug 14, 2019 18:59:21 GMT 1
I was told of one L1 club not a million miles away who enquired but simply could not afford the wages Grant is earning here, Grant preferring to earn a decent salary doing nothing rather than play elsewhere for considerably less I heard an entirely different club Hover, that being Burton. What's the latest on legal proceedings, Inspector? Have you got enough to bring him in yet, or is the dossier still being prepped?
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Post by callum on Aug 14, 2019 19:15:04 GMT 1
Rubbish comment everyone deserves a second chance still maybe you know what did happen I trust the club to deal with evidently serious disciplinary matters in house and with professionalism. If he gets a second chance which I very highly doubt he will. So be it. But whining at the club and calling them "shambolic" over it is imo a joke. After last night's performance it should be Ricketts facing disciplinary action.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 15, 2019 8:01:16 GMT 1
‘What he’s done’ must fall short of gross misconduct and certainly not ‘criminal’ as has been rumoured otherwise we’d be able to just get rid as suggested by Downie. The club say they’re keeping it in-house but started by telling us he was late back due to dental treatment. So initially they were leaving the door open for his return and just buying time whilst whatever he did or didn’t do was discussed.
At the moment it’s costing us both financially and on the pitch so needs sorting, but if as some are saying he’s playing hard ball and turning down offers he can’t think we can get rid without paying up his contract.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 15, 2019 8:50:17 GMT 1
I don't suppose there is a great deal we can do if we can't get shot, if he is digging his heels in transfer wise and we can't pay him off. Crap state of affairs; if others are balking at his wage demands just how much are we p**sing up the wall each week that could have a huge impact on our season. And if we do struggle he'll continually be mentioned as some fans might want him back involved.
I suppose bit difficult to know what to think about Grant without knowing the full story but we're not a club of a size that can absorb this sort of thing with ease. Its a huge waste. Rum.
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Post by darkshrew on Aug 15, 2019 8:56:58 GMT 1
We're talking League Two clubs though...Leyton Orient and Sc***horpe to name two. My point is there has yet to be any speculation regarding interest from League One clubs. We're not known to be big payers in this league so surely doesn't suggest wages being the stumbling block more so a lack of suitors. I was told of one L1 club not a million miles away who enquired but simply could not afford the wages Grant is earning here, Grant preferring to earn a decent salary doing nothing rather than play elsewhere for considerably less Heard similar and the block was us refusing to contribute to his wages over the first year of the two year deal.
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 15, 2019 9:20:51 GMT 1
Can't help but think the fact he signed elsewhere not knowing we had the year option, then having to cancel that move will have wound him up on top of whatever has happened. I'm guessing he's thinking "**** them, they wanted me, they can have me" and is refusing to move on.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 15, 2019 9:49:59 GMT 1
Any evidence he is actually "training with the youth squad"? If so then he should have been in the makeshift side we put out for the league cup.
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 15, 2019 20:31:33 GMT 1
Can't help but think the fact he signed elsewhere not knowing we had the year option, then having to cancel that move will have wound him up on top of whatever has happened. I'm guessing he's thinking "**** them, they wanted me, they can have me" and is refusing to move on. God this is painful. It was not the club that had the option of a further year - it was the player.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Aug 15, 2019 20:46:55 GMT 1
Can't help but think the fact he signed elsewhere not knowing we had the year option, then having to cancel that move will have wound him up on top of whatever has happened. I'm guessing he's thinking "**** them, they wanted me, they can have me" and is refusing to move on. God this is painful. It was not the club that had the option of a further year - it was the player. Pretty sure the word ‘fact’ is in that post you’re quoting Exceeper.
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Post by masshrop on Aug 15, 2019 21:13:29 GMT 1
except he didn't sign anywhere else , if he gone club will have paid him substantial amount of money to get him out , believe me grant not silly not leaving best part of 100k behind , blame the club for hitting games target if knew he was surplus to requirements.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 15, 2019 22:04:51 GMT 1
Somehow need to limit our losses on this one: a new club and a pay off from us being the difference between wage here and wage there?
All very well both parties digging their heels in, but this needs to be resolved.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 15, 2019 23:05:41 GMT 1
Can't help but think the fact he signed elsewhere not knowing we had the year option, then having to cancel that move will have wound him up on top of whatever has happened. I'm guessing he's thinking "**** them, they wanted me, they can have me" and is refusing to move on. God this is painful. It was not the club that had the option of a further year - it was the player. This is probably a question that can’t be answered but did the thing Grant is rumoured to have done happen before the contract extension kicked in, or after? Surely even our shoddy contract writing process can’t have been so bad that we automatically have to give a years additional contract to a player who has (allegedly) seriously broken the clubs disciplinary code? Have to say I heard from a few usually reliable sources Grant had solid offers from two other league one sides back in March which he was likely to take up rather than stay with us. The way he acted to the crowd at the last home game last season suggested he was off. Can’t quite see why if the move was on in March it didn’t progress over the summer, especially if relations between player and club have hit a point of no return
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Post by tvor on Aug 15, 2019 23:17:31 GMT 1
God this is painful. It was not the club that had the option of a further year - it was the player. This is probably a question that can’t be answered but did the thing Grant is rumoured to have done happen before the contract extension kicked in, or after? Surely even our shoddy contract writing process can’t have been so bad that we automatically have to give a years additional contract to a player who has (allegedly) seriously broken the clubs disciplinary code? Have to say I heard from a few usually reliable sources Grant had solid offers from two other league one sides back in March which he was likely to take up rather than stay with us. The way he acted to the crowd at the last home game last season suggested he was off. Can’t quite see why if the move was on in March it didn’t progress over the summer, especially if relations between player and club have hit a point of no return The way Ricketts was talking about Grant, and his contract extension, in this article from June 11th probably indicates something happened after that. www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/shrewsbury-town-fc/2019/06/11/new-shrewsbury-town-deal-all-down-to-anthony-grant-sam-ricketts/
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 16, 2019 8:41:59 GMT 1
God this is painful. It was not the club that had the option of a further year - it was the player. Pretty sure the word ‘fact’ is in that post you’re quoting Exceeper. We can all “highlight” words in comments. How does the expression “ from the horse’s mouth”, sit with you?
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Post by shrewblue on Aug 16, 2019 8:58:19 GMT 1
One thing is for sure we need to offload AG to have the financial flexibility to bring in another decent midfielder.
We could speculate that one scenario is the club figured they would get some money for Grant but this having not been achieved for whatever reason/s are now being stubborn about offloading him by subsidising his departure because their gamble is looking to have failed.
So hope I am wrong as he is a very decent player and worth a fee, but the closer to 2nd September this goes the more his stock falls in likelihood of us getting any recompense.
Of course as has been alleged whilst he is looking for a perfect deal for himself he has turned down some offers and is happy to sit tight and take the money we pay him in the meantime, that is the S.T.F.C. version of a Mexican stand off! It's not pretty and I suggest is doing neither party any good!
A rational and rapid solution is needed.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Aug 16, 2019 12:37:45 GMT 1
Pretty sure the word ‘fact’ is in that post you’re quoting Exceeper. We can all “highlight” words in comments. How does the expression “ from the horse’s mouth”, sit with you? If Shrewd says it is a fact then it is not to be questioned. I’m afraid Anthony Grant must have had it wrong when he told you, Exceeper.
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