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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 17, 2019 8:50:52 GMT 1
Blimey. Just seen the rumours posted on the Facebook page now. Can't be right, surely. Hope this is all cleared up sooner rather than later...
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Post by lancsman on Jul 17, 2019 8:51:02 GMT 1
Ricketts talks a good game. He wants players ‘with brains’ players that fit in to the squad. In other words Ricketts wants players that can work out what he wants. What Ricketts doesn’t want are players that question or give an opinion. Good player managers with tell them what he wants but will listen to views even if they disagree with what he does. I sense that Grant, the character that he is, tells the manager his thoughts in no uncertain terms. The big problem is that Ricketts doesn’t know how to manage him. On a general note, and I’m not saying Grant is one of these, some players are renegades and no manager wants that type of player /personality.
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Post by kuffdam72 on Jul 17, 2019 8:58:09 GMT 1
Blimey. Just seen the rumours posted on the Facebook page now. Can't be right, surely. Hope this is all cleared up sooner rather than later... go on then what's the rumours?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 9:04:03 GMT 1
Whatever the ins and outs, it's a very sad end to Anthony Grant's time at the club. Let's hope that there is a swift conclusion, for everyone's sake.
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Post by tvor on Jul 17, 2019 9:09:15 GMT 1
Whatever the ins and outs, it's a very sad end to Anthony Grant's time at the club. Let's hope that there is a swift conclusion, for everyone's sake. Quite. This currently isn't good for the club regardless of who is right and wrong. It's now also in the national media and as a result of that it is being more widely discussed on social media. The longer it drags on unresolved the more of a distraction it will be going into the start of the season.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 17, 2019 9:12:45 GMT 1
Blimey. Just seen the rumours posted on the Facebook page now. Can't be right, surely. Hope this is all cleared up sooner rather than later... go on then what's the rumours? To be honest not too comfortable about doing that: for myself or B&A. No idea how this sort of thing works. And that's not me being smart and wanting to keep something from others, just that the accusations are quite serious so... And if there is absolutely nothing in it. And I know that might not make sense considering I'm referencing the rumours but there you go... But not sure you need to be a member of Facebook to view its content anyhow.
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Post by kuffdam72 on Jul 17, 2019 9:18:19 GMT 1
go on then what's the rumours? To be honest not too comfortable about doing that: for myself or B&A. No idea how this sort of thing works. And that's not me being smart and wanting to keep something from others, just that the accusations are quite serious so... And if there is absolutely nothing in it. And I know that might not make sense considering I'm referencing the rumours but there you go... But not sure you need to be a member of Facebook to view its content anyhow. oh the usual script ,never mind i'll wash me hair then .
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 17, 2019 9:19:15 GMT 1
To be fair that BBC Tweet had loads of RUMOURS on it from the usual shagged the gaffers wife to more mundane things... A lot of it has been deleted though
Though not the shagged the gaffers wife bit strangely.
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Post by tvor on Jul 17, 2019 9:23:03 GMT 1
To be fair that BBC Tweet had loads of RUMOURS on it from the usual shagged the gaffers wife to more mundane things... A lot of it has been deleted though Though not the shagged the gaffers wife bit strangely. I'm no expert on this but I would guess that individuals would be responsible for the content of their own tweets and also their own posts on a forum such as this? It's probably best to refrain from posting rumours directly unless you're sure you can back it up with something conclusive, but I guess posting links to tweets, e.g. that by the BBC, is okay?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 17, 2019 9:28:53 GMT 1
To be honest not too comfortable about doing that: for myself or B&A. No idea how this sort of thing works. And that's not me being smart and wanting to keep something from others, just that the accusations are quite serious so... And if there is absolutely nothing in it. And I know that might not make sense considering I'm referencing the rumours but there you go... But not sure you need to be a member of Facebook to view its content anyhow. oh the usual script ,never mind i'll wash me hair then . Dude!! I just don't feel conformable posting it. Its not some tittle tattle about who we might be signing or owt, its pretty serious stuff. And I suspect would break the boards rules anyhow. 👍
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Post by Scarecrow on Jul 17, 2019 9:53:15 GMT 1
If Ricketts gets Grant out of the door that’ll be the last “big personality” at the club with any clout to challenge him. He’s removed Coyne, Sadler and Grant from the stage. Regardless of what happens he’s put himself under immense pressure off the bat. If we don’t hit the ground running then I really fear for Ricketts. Fingers crossed that he’s made the right calls. I like the squad on paper but there’s certainly question marks over the manager. Like the squad on paper?! We’ve got 2 fit midfielders! Sure but I don’t think the injuries are Rickett’s fault. Until the last few days the midfield looked strong enough.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 17, 2019 9:53:31 GMT 1
If the ‘rumour’ on Facebook is correct he’d be being interviewed by the police not training with the youth team. If correct the club would definitely report this....
Would suggest it’s a load of buncome, Grant asked for a move and the club are making a stand (badly) more likely
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 17, 2019 9:56:02 GMT 1
Like the squad on paper?! We’ve got 2 fit midfielders! Sure but I don’t think the injuries are Rickett’s fault. Until the last few days the midfield looked strong enough. How we start the season will be down to Ricketts, can’t hide behind ‘Unlucky with injuries’ ..... strength in depth with alternative set ups rather than sell or loan out all the wide players and stick with one plan...
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 17, 2019 10:17:52 GMT 1
Saddler gone Coyne gone grant banished and presumably soon gone www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49006462is this Ricketts exerting his authority and starting the new season with his team and his backroom staff
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 10:29:53 GMT 1
Ricketts talks a good game. He wants players ‘with brains’ players that fit in to the squad. In other words Ricketts wants players that can work out what he wants. What Ricketts doesn’t want are players that question or give an opinion. Good player managers with tell them what he wants but will listen to views even if they disagree with what he does. I sense that Grant, the character that he is, tells the manager his thoughts in no uncertain terms. The big problem is that Ricketts doesn’t know how to manage him. On a general note, and I’m not saying Grant is one of these, some players are renegades and no manager wants that type of player /personality. Interesting musings. Have you written any other literature on management theory you can point me to.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 17, 2019 10:33:00 GMT 1
Leyton Orient where are you? Hope you are pleased with Angol, well now the excellent Anthony Grant is available for a bargain undisclosed fee.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 17, 2019 10:35:47 GMT 1
Leyton Orient where are you? Hope you are pleased with Angol, well now the excellent Anthony Grant is available for a bargain undisclosed fee. Very accurate post that just about sums up or dealings 👍
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 17, 2019 10:48:46 GMT 1
If the ‘rumour’ on Facebook is correct he’d be being interviewed by the police not training with the youth team. If correct the club would definitely report this.... Would suggest it’s a load of buncome, Grant asked for a move and the club are making a stand (badly) more likely I completely agree with the first paragraph. If he’s asked for a move it would be in the best interests of the club to say so surely just like they did with a Nsiala and Nolan? The write up on the club website gives off the impression that Grant has done something wrong and will only put off potential new clubs. Besides, is Grant really training with the youth team? Don’t believe everything the club tells you. Not saying I think the rumours on Facebook are true of course.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 17, 2019 11:16:12 GMT 1
I might well be wide of the mark here as I've not actually heard Ricketts talk about players "with brains" but I listened to the Salop podcast this morning... ...which again was a really good listen, like the contributions from the different guests (scooter and the chap from Sunderland). Goes from strength to strength, really recommend it......and they mentioned some chap who has come into the club (whose name escapes me) to create some environment where players would be capable and comfortable reacting to stuff during a game and adjusting things as needed. Kinda off their own back. So perhaps that is what he means by players "with brains". I mean everything needs to be within the framework dictated by the manager, that's his role. But with talk like that it would suggest that Ricketts is happy to see players changing things about if they see some advantage that can be gained. So he comes across a tad more flexible than anything. Maybe. No idea what is going on between the club, Ricketts and Grant but when I read that (with brains) and thought back to the podcast, that came to mind.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 17, 2019 11:25:43 GMT 1
Leyton Orient where are you? Hope you are pleased with Angol, well now the excellent Anthony Grant is available for a bargain undisclosed fee. Or maybe swap for their player Happe?
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jul 17, 2019 12:11:03 GMT 1
Leyton Orient where are you? Hope you are pleased with Angol, well now the excellent Anthony Grant is available for a bargain undisclosed fee. Or maybe swap for their player Happe? Can't imagine that happening. Not a position we need anymore, and with rumoured premier league interest in Happe i think he would take a bit than the very unwanted Grant!
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 17, 2019 12:58:30 GMT 1
go on then what's the rumours? To be honest not too comfortable about doing that: for myself or B&A. No idea how this sort of thing works. And that's not me being smart and wanting to keep something from others, just that the accusations are quite serious so... And if there is absolutely nothing in it. And I know that might not make sense considering I'm referencing the rumours but there you go... But not sure you need to be a member of Facebook to view its content anyhow. Same won't post them. But will say Guy Madjo?
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Post by venceremos on Jul 17, 2019 13:39:12 GMT 1
Ricketts talks a good game. He wants players ‘with brains’ players that fit in to the squad. In other words Ricketts wants players that can work out what he wants. What Ricketts doesn’t want are players that question or give an opinion. Good player managers with tell them what he wants but will listen to views even if they disagree with what he does. I sense that Grant, the character that he is, tells the manager his thoughts in no uncertain terms. The big problem is that Ricketts doesn’t know how to manage him. On a general note, and I’m not saying Grant is one of these, some players are renegades and no manager wants that type of player /personality. "I sense that" ……… Is it your sixth sense you're using to arrive at this dazzling conclusion?
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Post by porcelainbus on Jul 17, 2019 13:39:57 GMT 1
There is no need to speculate. He is training with the youth team. I think the coach knows what he is doing. Even though we do not know what has happened. For ####'s sake let's just leave it at that.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 17, 2019 13:47:43 GMT 1
If the ‘rumour’ on Facebook is correct he’d be being interviewed by the police not training with the youth team. If correct the club would definitely report this.... Would suggest it’s a load of buncome, Grant asked for a move and the club are making a stand (badly) more likely It's a big enough leap to assert what you think the club would do if the rumour were true. But you then dismiss the rumour because you don't believe the club would have acted as it has. To stretch plausibility beyond breaking point, you've then decided on "alternative facts" and criticised the club's stance based on those! I mean, what!?
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Jul 17, 2019 14:24:40 GMT 1
I am pretty sure that if Grant had done anything disgustingly/unforgivingly outrageous, that affected the club or members of staff, his contract would have been terminated with immediate effect.
So people posting with alleged rumours should just 'button it' if they are not 100% sure of the circumstances. Nothing worse than people who make up stories without knowing the full facts of the issue just to stir things up.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 17, 2019 15:16:40 GMT 1
If the ‘rumour’ on Facebook is correct he’d be being interviewed by the police not training with the youth team. If correct the club would definitely report this.... Would suggest it’s a load of buncome, Grant asked for a move and the club are making a stand (badly) more likely It's a big enough leap to assert what you think the club would do if the rumour were true. But you then dismiss the rumour because you don't believe the club would have acted as it has. To stretch plausibility beyond breaking point, you've then decided on "alternative facts" and criticised the club's stance based on those! I mean, what!? All I'm saying is the rumour suggested a criminal offence, why wouldn't they report it? My alternative is a more likely option...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 16:41:35 GMT 1
If it's as bad as everyone is making out. He will get sacked for Gross Misconduct after investigation.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Jul 17, 2019 17:04:16 GMT 1
If it's as bad as everyone is making out. He will get sacked for Gross Misconduct after investigation. As will Mr Barton at Fleetwood
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 17, 2019 17:33:56 GMT 1
If Walker can make the step up to League 1, big boots to fill. At least Vincelot, currently the other option, is experienced in League 1. We know he's a talented player, but I'm not convinced Vincelot will have the legs to last the full season. At 23, if Walker can prove his worth pre season, I'd prefer him to start. With Vincelot filling in when needed. my main concern i have about Vinvelot is (yes i know he has only made brief appearences and desrvers time) is that he tends to be reluctant to go in for tackles somthing of a problem for a holding midfielder.
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