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Post by shrewblue on Aug 5, 2019 15:34:41 GMT 1
Absolute shambles and the selectors have a lot to answer for if they go with a similar team in the second test they will get a similar result.
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Post by tvor on Aug 5, 2019 15:37:19 GMT 1
Worrying times in terms of the remainder of the series. Not because we've gone 0-1 down in the first test but because of the nature of the defeat and the state of the squad going into the remaining games.
Psychologically losing from having the Australians 122-8 on the first afternoon will be tough to take. The Australians have only ever won two test matches in England from a worse position in over 140 years of playing test cricket.
There was so much optimism coming into this series but there are an awful lot of issues and question marks after the first game. An injury to the premier strike bowler (Anderson), one of our fastest bowlers (Wood) out for the entire summer, a injury doubt over the great young hope (Archer) and our premier spin bowler who is key to the success of the side hopelessly out of form and looking devoid of confidence. That's without looking at issues with the batting where the likes of Bairstow and Buttler look very much out of nick.
It's going to take a big effort to get back into the series at Lords where the Australians historically have had the upper hand over England, but this was the England stronghold so hopefully the tables can be turned.
It's certainly not the time for rash decisions and wholesale changes but the selection meeting for Lords will be a lengthy one now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 15:38:25 GMT 1
Mooen comes in before Woakes?
Shambles of a battling display. They have Smith and we have?
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 5, 2019 15:47:29 GMT 1
Mooen comes in before Woakes? Shambles of a battling display. They have Smith and we have? Good weather, too good.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 5, 2019 16:35:28 GMT 1
1. I would venture that to collapse from 282-4 was a worse point in the match 2. I think you can replace "optimism" with over-confidence 3. If they just pick Archer for ther sake of it without him getting Match overs under his belt it could be Anderson mkII 4. And of course bear in mind Australia " dropped" Starc & Hazlewood who would walk into the England side, bowling backwards
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 16:50:24 GMT 1
Just wonderful to see that assortment of misfits and cheaters so despondent after a full day toiling in the field for just 4 wickets. Love to see it. Hmm, that rebounded. The inability to bat through a full day makes me wonder how many of these players are genuinely up to the mark for Test cricket. England just weren't much good in any department - carrying a lot of passengers. Australia look a much stronger team all round. Have to hope for a big, big turnaround or this series will be done and dusted very quickly. Happy to take the slap on my face for that. Woefully grim couple of days. We need fran back to tell us how to sort it.
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Post by supermac11 on Aug 5, 2019 17:43:05 GMT 1
I thought this would be well matched series but momentum the Aussies have now is going to be hard to reverse and we've got injured and out of form players. Our batting is pretty woeful really and there's muddled thinking going on. Roy is not an opener, Buttler doesn't really justify inclusion in red ball cricket which he hardly plays and Bairstow is an ordinary keeper who's out of form with the bat. Trouble is there isn't many people demanding selection. You could include Foakes who is certainly a better keeper but after that you are back to people like Malan. Also presumably we don't want to go back to 1989 style selection where 29 players were used.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 5, 2019 18:51:02 GMT 1
My team for Lords:-
Burns Sibley Root Stokes Buttler Bairstow Woakes S.Curran Archer Leach Broad
possibly Roy for Bairstow with Buttler keeping.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 19:31:30 GMT 1
My team for Lords:- Burns Sibley Root Stokes Buttler Bairstow Woakes S.Curran Archer Leach Broad possibly Roy for Bairstow with Buttler keeping. They won't want to admit defeat with Roy. But I like this line up.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Aug 5, 2019 20:28:12 GMT 1
Amazed Dom Sibley didn’t get the Ireland test as a chance to have a look at him, especially as he scored runs vs the Australia A team a week before. Roy will surely play the next couple of tests and rightly so, don’t want to see players discarded after two tests. Also, even with his silly dismissal, he still did better than basically everyone except Root and Woakes today.
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Post by tvor on Aug 5, 2019 21:48:38 GMT 1
Assuming Anderson isn't fit to play at Lords and Archer is I would expect that to be the only change. The England selectors, quite rightly, give batters an extended run in the side before they discard them in recent times so Roy and Denly should be retained. The decision around Ali should largely be left up to the player, he's much too good a spinner to discard after one bad game unless he really feels he wants a break at the moment.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Aug 5, 2019 23:14:58 GMT 1
In my opinion Shagger Curran should nail a place in the team.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 6, 2019 8:03:30 GMT 1
In my opinion Shagger Curran should nail a place in the team. Trust somebody to lower the tone
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 9:25:45 GMT 1
Assuming Anderson isn't fit to play at Lords and Archer is I would expect that to be the only change. The England selectors, quite rightly, give batters an extended run in the side before they discard them in recent times so Roy and Denly should be retained. The decision around Ali should largely be left up to the player, he's much too good a spinner to discard after one bad game unless he really feels he wants a break at the moment. I like NWM's selection but I expect the selectors will stick rather than twist. There will be just the one enforced change Stone/Archer in for Anderson. Mooen Ali will retain his place but I would expect Chris Woakes to move up the order ahead of him. Lords will certainly be the last chance for a number of the team.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 6, 2019 10:27:29 GMT 1
I hope they drop Moeen, but I'm just a desperate WCCC fan
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 11:20:20 GMT 1
No chance of anyone going back to play some more red ball cricket before the next test either.
All T20 domestic action at the moment. Next county championship games don't start until the 18th August.
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Aug 6, 2019 12:38:43 GMT 1
No chance of anyone going back to play some more red ball cricket before the next test either. All T20 domestic action at the moment. Next county championship games don't start until the 18th August. 87% of cricket followers want the County Championship games to be played whilst England's Test matches are on. This makes complete sense as in the event of injuries to the Test squad players the prospective replacements will at least be in 'longer format' mode. So why are the ECB not listening, as I am sure most cricket fans are sensible and know what they are talking about ? Ah yes, of course !!…… It's all about MONEY.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 6, 2019 16:01:12 GMT 1
And the T20 format is too long anyway. 14 games is far too many.
8 games against all the other members of the group would be more than sufficient.
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Post by tvor on Aug 6, 2019 22:19:03 GMT 1
No chance of anyone going back to play some more red ball cricket before the next test either. All T20 domestic action at the moment. Next county championship games don't start until the 18th August. 87% of cricket followers want the County Championship games to be played whilst England's Test matches are on. This makes complete sense as in the event of injuries to the Test squad players the prospective replacements will at least be in 'longer format' mode. So why are the ECB not listening, as I am sure most cricket fans are sensible and know what they are talking about ? Ah yes, of course !!…… It's all about MONEY. Ashley Giles has said he intends to prioritise test cricket over white ball cricket going forward. Hopefully the same kind of benefits will be seen from that as were seen when his predecessor, Andrew Strauss, prioritised white ball cricket when he over in 2015. www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2019/07/29/england-director-ashley-giles-prioritise-test-cricket-four-years/
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Post by tvor on Aug 6, 2019 22:27:12 GMT 1
Shambles of a battling display. The irony is that coming into the first test much of the focus was on how England's normally wobbly top order would perform. Rather than the recently so often seen 30-3 we got to 154-1 and 189-2 in our first innings and 60-1 and 80-2 in our second innings.
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Post by tvor on Aug 6, 2019 22:30:01 GMT 1
Assuming Anderson isn't fit to play at Lords and Archer is I would expect that to be the only change. The England selectors, quite rightly, give batters an extended run in the side before they discard them in recent times so Roy and Denly should be retained. The decision around Ali should largely be left up to the player, he's much too good a spinner to discard after one bad game unless he really feels he wants a break at the moment. I like NWM's selection but I expect the selectors will stick rather than twist. There will be just the one enforced change Stone/Archer in for Anderson. Mooen Ali will retain his place but I would expect Chris Woakes to move up the order ahead of him. Lords will certainly be the last chance for a number of the team. It was only a second XI game but a very encouraging performance from Archer today. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49255871I have a feeling that sooner rather than later Jason Roy will be moved down into the middle order.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 9:43:32 GMT 1
Possible that Denly and Roy could swap places if England stick with the same batsmen. I think Archer is now ahead of Stone to replace Anderson at Lords.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 7, 2019 10:31:58 GMT 1
Worcester are playing half a dozen of the 2nd eleven against Australia today and yet the tickets are £25 pounds..and even Members are being charged that. Good luck with the attendance for that one then!
You'd have thought this might have been a match where Moeen could play to try to find some form. But no, the ECB haven't given him permission to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 10:37:01 GMT 1
Worcester are playing half a dozen of the 2nd eleven against Australia today and yet the tickets are £25 pounds..and even Members are being charged that. Good luck with the attendance for that one then! You'd have thought this might have been a match where Moeen could play to try to find some form. But no, the ECB haven't given him permission to do so. Would have been an ideal opportunity for Moeen, perhaps the ECB could have asked Worcs if Bairstow and Butler could have guested as well!
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Aug 7, 2019 10:42:28 GMT 1
A team that puts a terrible joke on the back of its Captain's shirt deserves to lose.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 7, 2019 10:46:26 GMT 1
87% of cricket followers want the County Championship games to be played whilst England's Test matches are on. This makes complete sense as in the event of injuries to the Test squad players the prospective replacements will at least be in 'longer format' mode. So why are the ECB not listening, as I am sure most cricket fans are sensible and know what they are talking about ? Ah yes, of course !!…… It's all about MONEY. Ashley Giles has said he intends to prioritise test cricket over white ball cricket going forward. Hopefully the same kind of benefits will be seen from that as were seen when his predecessor, Andrew Strauss, prioritised white ball cricket when he over in 2015. www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2019/07/29/england-director-ashley-giles-prioritise-test-cricket-four-years/So the logical conclusion to what Giles is saying is that we should be increasing the number of 4 day County Championship games to give players more experience in playing red ball cricket. Try telling that to the ECB, who have been marginalising the 4 day game for years. Nowadays it's mainly played in April and May and late August and September. They aren't exactly prioritizing it. And by bringing in The Hundred (which survey after survey told them isn't wanted by cricket fans) they've now started on the process of marginalising the 50 over game too, which will be played at the same time as The Hundred with the best players missing, no overseas players, and the Final no longer at Lords.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 10:49:53 GMT 1
Worcester are playing half a dozen of the 2nd eleven against Australia today and yet the tickets are £25 pounds..and even Members are being charged that. Good luck with the attendance for that one then! You'd have thought this might have been a match where Moeen could play to try to find some form. But no, the ECB haven't given him permission to do so. Would have been an ideal opportunity for Moeen, perhaps the ECB could have asked Worcs if Bairstow and Butler could have guested as well! and meanwhile the tourists get more time out in the middle albeit against a much weakened county side.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 7, 2019 10:56:25 GMT 1
Would have been an ideal opportunity for Moeen, perhaps the ECB could have asked Worcs if Bairstow and Butler could have guested as well! and meanwhile the tourists get more time out in the middle albeit against a much weakened county side. Perhaps the ECB will release Moeen, Buttler and Bairstow for the T20 games this weekend to get some practice with the white ball to prepare them for Lords. Totally illogical, but you never know.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 7, 2019 11:03:06 GMT 1
Would have been an ideal opportunity for Moeen, perhaps the ECB could have asked Worcs if Bairstow and Butler could have guested as well! and meanwhile the tourists get more time out in the middle albeit against a much weakened county side. The bowling isn't too bad. Leach, Tongue, Morris and Finch. No spin apart from Rhodes though. As I've said, it would have been ideal for Moeen. Crazy!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 11:07:17 GMT 1
and meanwhile the tourists get more time out in the middle albeit against a much weakened county side. The bowling isn't too bad. Leach, Tongue, Morris and Finch. No spin apart from Rhodes though. As I've said, it would have been ideal for Moeen. Crazy! I thought Josh Tongue was out for the season, my mistake.
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