salop81
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Post by salop81 on Jun 7, 2018 9:54:52 GMT 1
I usually have a positive attitude towards our club whatever the ups and downs a season and the summer transfer dealings bring, but I have to say I’m very unimpressed with the new manager (so far) - be happy to eat my words come the end of the season but just not getting a good feeling from him - he hasn’t spoken to the out of contract players and says he doesn’t intend to “if they sign they sign” - not a great attitude and certainly doesn’t make the players feel wanted etc...
Also unsure of our new GK coach (Sorry outfield coach!) who popped into Macclesfield every few weeks and who JA knows and trusts (for the last 12 months anyway!)...
JA clearly did a great job last season - but is the guy out of his depth...time will tell I guess....imo he needs to be a bit more positive and show a better attitude towards our current out of contract players...and be a little more upbeat...
It’s very early days I appreciate and I know it’s a difficult time for him to be taking over but a bit more positivity from him wouldn’t go a miss...!
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Post by haughmond on Jun 7, 2018 9:58:20 GMT 1
Is your name Mainwaring by the way?
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Post by shrewder on Jun 7, 2018 10:09:22 GMT 1
I usually have a positive attitude towards our club whatever the ups and downs a season and the summer transfer dealings bring, but I have to say I’m very unimpressed with the new manager (so far) - be happy to eat my words come the end of the season but just not getting a good feeling from him - he hasn’t spoken to the out of contract players and says he doesn’t intend to “if they sign they sign” - not a great attitude and certainly doesn’t make the players feel wanted etc... Also unsure of our new GK coach (Sorry outfield coach!) who popped into Macclesfield every few weeks and who JA knows and trusts (for the last 12 months anyway!)... JA clearly did a great job last season - but is the guy out of his depth...time will tell I guess....imo he needs to be a bit more positive and show a better attitude towards our current out of contract players...and be a little more upbeat... It’s very early days I appreciate and I know it’s a difficult time for him to be taking over but a bit more positivity from him wouldn’t go a miss...! Hope your wrong but do not feel very comfortable so far as to how things are going. Not impressed with early signs. Still we have to give him a fair chance. After last season's pre season I think the way that goes this time will give us a pretty good indicator as to what to expect.
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 7, 2018 10:13:46 GMT 1
Not bang in trouble but I am concerned about the reported comment of not speaking to out of contract players. After all they were spoken to originally by PH so perhaps meeting them would be a good idea? I am hoping he is not being too naive about league football and its way of doing things.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 7, 2018 10:20:39 GMT 1
I think the problem is we had such a great season last time building hopes and expectations to a real high before the wheels sort of came off in March and April ending with such disappointment at Wembley... It was damed hard work maintaining the momentum from the beginning of the season so long both for the management, team and fans...
Following the disappointment of failure we got some degree of hope thinking about the team being ready to go again next season only for that to be shattered within a day or two by the loss of the management team and no good news regarding players. A bit of a lift for some with the appointment of Askey but for most I think there’s a more cautious optermism based on previous STFC disappointments.
God I’ve just depressed myself again 😩
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 7, 2018 10:26:08 GMT 1
How long has he been in the job!?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 7, 2018 10:28:42 GMT 1
It must be the hardest time to come in, when all the players are on holiday and considering their options.
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Post by kuffdam72 on Jun 7, 2018 10:31:29 GMT 1
Yeah slightly, especially when you compare the opening interviews from PH and JA regarding there new positions. PH comes out with we will be playing with high intensity and energy while JA comes out with we'll have to have a look and work out what formation suits. Also the twitter comments from some important under contract players regarding the departures are concerning.
I can see us banking cash and being left with the dregs.
At least we can all say it's back to normal being a Town fan.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 7, 2018 10:33:03 GMT 1
I usually have a positive attitude towards our club whatever the ups and downs a season and the summer transfer dealings bring, but I have to say I’m very unimpressed with the new manager (so far) - be happy to eat my words come the end of the season but just not getting a good feeling from him - he hasn’t spoken to the out of contract players and says he doesn’t intend to “if they sign they sign” - not a great attitude and certainly doesn’t make the players feel wanted etc... Also unsure of our new GK coach (Sorry outfield coach!) who popped into Macclesfield every few weeks and who JA knows and trusts (for the last 12 months anyway!)... JA clearly did a great job last season - but is the guy out of his depth...time will tell I guess....imo he needs to be a bit more positive and show a better attitude towards our current out of contract players...and be a little more upbeat... It’s very early days I appreciate and I know it’s a difficult time for him to be taking over but a bit more positivity from him wouldn’t go a miss...! Jesus, that hasn’t taken long has it. Here on B&A we always have to have a player to be moaning about, I guess as it’s the close season it has to be the new manager instead. Isnt there a post on another thread saying he is still away on holiday? I guess that will include talking to many players but nothing much will be sorted or announced until he is back.
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Post by rylehu on Jun 7, 2018 10:37:53 GMT 1
As I said on the same subject on Twitter, I think Askey is right here. Some new bloke rocks up, asks you to stay. Why would you? It's clear there's no loyalty in football, so why do it for a bloke you don't know anything about or what he can bring to the table? If they wanted to stay, they'd have signed straight away - they'd made their minds up at Wembley.
They're leaving on the back of a positive(ish) season (or not as the case may be for Craig Mac), rather than signing for another year and potentially failing and potentially ruining their reputation not just with the fans, but to other clubs.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love them all to stay, but there's nothing we can do about it apart from speculate. Trust Askey, give him a chance. Too many fans are writing him off already. He's not even been here a week, and from what I believe, he's on holiday.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 7, 2018 10:38:11 GMT 1
Isnt there a post on another thread saying he is still away on holiday? I guess that will include talking to many players but nothing much will be sorted or announced until he is back. By which time both Ogogo and Rodman will probably have gone.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 7, 2018 10:38:25 GMT 1
he may be a manger who has a low media presence and keeps his own counsel and he may have players in mind that he wonts to bring in a mould a team of players that will suit him
or he is out of his depth we will lose all the team and the normal pre season mess that town seems prone to will resume ,depending on your view off life will influence were your mind will go.
i will leave things till the pre season starts and then see how things are shaping
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 7, 2018 10:46:41 GMT 1
Lets be honest, mid-table next season is a huge achievement.
Snap your hand off at that, we are starting again.
However, this club is now a much better option for new players.
The training ground, the season we had last season.
It's not a mess like when Mellon over from Jackson, some of the comments on here would have you believe we have just been relegated.
Lets do a Sc***horpe and stick around and were be OK long term.
Out of interest, does Askey have the same UEFA / FA / FIFA qualifications as Hurst?
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Post by thesalmon on Jun 7, 2018 10:48:23 GMT 1
I think we need to wait a month and see what players have been brought in
Shame losing jr. He was a good player and will be missed but he is defo replaceable
We have known since Dec that ogogo will be going... Don't blame him if he wants to move down south... Plus he could prob double his wages elsewhere
Would be nice if rodders signs up but again is replaceable. Wouldn't mind eisa and gnorrra being given more game time
Not bothers about Mac... Decent keeper but plenty out there
Re: new manager.... Agree there are concerns and reservations. However has got a unfancied team to a cup final and promotion in past 2 seasons so must be doing something right.
Let's just wait and see
I'm glad there is a world cup on as a distraction!
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Post by venceremos on Jun 7, 2018 10:53:29 GMT 1
Very unimpressed? After a week? Give the man a chance! It was clearly always the intention of Brown and MacGillivray to move on and that may be true of others as well. Blaming the new manager if they do is unfair.
If Caldwell's on holiday, Askey isn't going to be in a position to do any deals off his own bat. He's got his assistant in and says he's lining up a couple of incoming deals. That seems ok to me for a first week's work.
As for the out of contract players, this happens every year - they have their offers and it's up to them now. Not much else a new manager can do. We should all know the game by now. You bank your offer, tout around for better ones and then decide. Warm words about feeling wanted are for fans and the media, not reality.
Maybe it depends what your expectations are. Last season felt like a one off to me. The manager was going whatever happened, the loanees were going whatever happened - we didn't make it and here we are again; one of the smaller playing budgets and with staying up the first priority. I don't expect us to be challenging like last season again.
Finishing mid-table or above will be a decent season and hopefully we can do it with a more attacking style and a few more goals scored next time.
But who knows?
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 7, 2018 10:55:57 GMT 1
Very unimpressed? After a week? Give the man a chance! It was clearly always the intention of Brown and MacGillivray to move on and that may be true of others as well. Blaming the new manager if they do is unfair. If Caldwell's on holiday, Askey isn't going to be in a position to do any deals off his own bat. He's got his assistant in and says he's lining up a couple of incoming deals. That seems ok to me for a first week's work. As for the out of contract players, this happens every year - they have their offers and it's up to them now. Not much else a new manager can do. We should all know the game by now. You bank your offer, tout around for better ones and then decide. Warm words about feeling wanted are for fans and the media, not reality. Maybe it depends what your expectations are. Last season felt like a one off to me. The manager was going whatever happened, the loanees were going whatever happened - we didn't make it and here we are again; one of the smaller playing budgets and with staying up the first priority. I don't expect us to be challenging like last season again. Finishing mid-table or above will be a decent season and hopefully we can do it with a more attacking style and a few more goals scored next time. But who knows? Agreed. Next season can be fun, Sunderland home and away should be good. Were not in the pits....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 11:02:41 GMT 1
Not at all. We still have players like Nolan and Toto at the club. We’ve lost decent but not spectacular players in Brown and Mc, it’s not a big deal, almost every summer we do a ‘rebuilding job’ and this one is no different, not a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 11:18:13 GMT 1
It’s gone exactly how I suspected it would if we lost. It was clear that our manager was going and the loans would go back, inevitably some other players would leave and that then has a knock on effect on other players who will get unsettled and look at other options. Seeing the squad break up would then lead lots of mass panic amongst our fan base (I dread to think what will happen when it is announced Ogogo is going). Of course I’m disappointed to see the squad break up and it is a reminder as to what a missed opportunity it was but it’s not our first time we’ve had a major reshuffle and anyone who expected us to start next season with a similar team/squad was very naïve. I’m not worried at the current position but probably apprehensive as to who will be brought in this summer and whether they can gel. It is a lot to ask but it was a lot to ask of Paul Hurst to keep us in L1 and then turn us into promotion challengers, none of us know how it will turn out.
Some people are probably panicking because certain clubs have missed out on promotion, had the team picked apart and then have gone into decline. Whilst that could of course happen, there is no guarantee it will.
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Post by cmonsalop on Jun 7, 2018 11:21:23 GMT 1
No!
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Post by rylehu on Jun 7, 2018 11:25:35 GMT 1
I dread to think what will happen when it is announced Ogogo is going...
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 7, 2018 11:26:35 GMT 1
Football Agents, don't you just love them.....
That Tweet is basically pimping him out.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jun 7, 2018 11:26:45 GMT 1
The only players who have actually left played 31 times between them last season.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Jun 7, 2018 11:44:55 GMT 1
Nobody gets promoted or relegated in June.
There is plenty of time and lets not fall into the trap of elevating players, that wish to go elsewhere, as being world beaters.
Junior was no Terry Cooper.........
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Post by vixenshrew on Jun 7, 2018 11:59:12 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 12:01:43 GMT 1
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Post by wiseone on Jun 7, 2018 12:14:07 GMT 1
I wouldn't say I am more concerned now than I was two weeks ago. At that time I was checking out our odds for being relegated.
Unexpected to lose the manager, the Ian's, key players etc.
I do believe that the manager has spoken to the out of contract players , i think that it was mentioned on Shrewsworld - but I will check. But I doubt it will change mush in regards keeping them here.
This season will be tough, it always was going to be. There was an interesting article detailing how clubs who lost in the play offs fair the following season. Only a few improved (which is not a surprise) but it is not unheard of for a complete collapse with clubs who werr promotion chasers being closer to the bottom than the top 12 months on.
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bigbear17
Midland League Division Two
stfc till i die through thick and thin i will watch them win salop
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Post by bigbear17 on Jun 7, 2018 12:26:55 GMT 1
Isnt there a post on another thread saying he is still away on holiday? I guess that will include talking to many players but nothing much will be sorted or announced until he is back. By which time both Ogogo and Rodman will probably have gone. Rodman has gone!! On................ holiday. Everyone needs to chill out a bit give the manager a fair crack. Everyone was resigned to losing ogogo a week ago so what’s changed now? Suppose there’s someone in the hot seat to blame
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Post by tvor on Jun 7, 2018 12:35:59 GMT 1
Surely to time to start drawing any conclusions is when this summers comings and goings are complete? Outgoing players have to be compared to those coming in. John Askey has said he wants to sign quality and has indicated he won't be signing too many from down the divisions.
Even then it won't be easy to predict how that group of players might gel.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 7, 2018 12:41:02 GMT 1
I wouldn't say I am more concerned now than I was two weeks ago. At that time I was checking out our odds for being relegated. Unexpected to lose the manager, the Ian's, key players etc. I do believe that the manager has spoken to the out of contract players , i think that it was mentioned on Shrewsworld - but I will check. But I doubt it will change mush in regards keeping them here. This season will be tough, it always was going to be. There was an interesting article detailing how clubs who lost in the play offs fair the following season. Only a few improved (which is not a surprise) but it is not unheard of for a complete collapse with clubs who werr promotion chasers being closer to the bottom than the top 12 months on. Chesterfield comes to mind. Lost in League 1 playoffs in 2015. 18th in 2016. Relegated from League 1 2017. Relegated from League 2 2018. Similar ground and similar attendances to us.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 7, 2018 12:42:26 GMT 1
I wouldn't say I am more concerned now than I was two weeks ago. At that time I was checking out our odds for being relegated. Unexpected to lose the manager, the Ian's, key players etc. I do believe that the manager has spoken to the out of contract players , i think that it was mentioned on Shrewsworld - but I will check. But I doubt it will change mush in regards keeping them here. This season will be tough, it always was going to be. There was an interesting article detailing how clubs who lost in the play offs fair the following season. Only a few improved (which is not a surprise) but it is not unheard of for a complete collapse with clubs who werr promotion chasers being closer to the bottom than the top 12 months on. I really can’t believe it if the new manager hasn’t been in touch with all of his new players whether out of contract or not within 24 hours or so of being appointed. I’d be very surprised if he hadn’t. Obviously that may have only been by phone with some of them due to holidays etc.
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