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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2017 17:13:47 GMT 1
Why is it undisclosed? surely we have a right to know how much was collected. thats got to be a straight red for not getting that one ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 17:31:26 GMT 1
John Bond Or Job Blow I'm guessing Methinks hoover is flirting with an invitation for coffee (and maybe biscuits) at the Montgomery Waters Meadow! As indeed is Jamo. I'll have you know the voice of Shropshire and radio personality of the county Mr James Bond is more than worthy of having a stand named in his honour 😜
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Aug 21, 2017 17:47:34 GMT 1
makes you wonder sometimes why we bother!!. All the guys and girls gave up their own free time to help, all had supporting safe standing flyers on the buckets so people knew what the collection was for and I know for a fact none of those involved would have gone out and been abusive towards our own fans.....they themselves are all fans!!! As for advertising the project more I'm not sure what else we can do, we have spent the last three months on tv , radio, newspaper, programme, social media etc...... but any further ideas please on me and I'll pass it on.
I can see where the OP was coming from. I went to the West Stand, donated a tenner and the bloke didn't even offer me a kissy.
At my age, you're glad of a bit of lip service.
I think you saw Dale, Jaytee, I was talking to a couple of other fans at the time. He did comment after: "I think that guy with the big nose was expecting a kiss. I didn't really fancy him though"
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 21, 2017 17:55:17 GMT 1
Local sponsorship tweet by club
Also just now by tifosy / seat manufacturer chap
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Aug 21, 2017 17:58:07 GMT 1
On our way to the ground Saturday We had to bucket shakers collecting money for the safe standing I walked up and asked if the collection was for the safe standing and refused to contribute The collectors asked why I said I think the club should pay The collector seemed to get quite upset by this He asked if I would like to discuss my views It was raining and I don't need to justify what I contribute to Don't pressure people to believe in what you do I always give to local causes But to me this isn't important I do believe this may well have been me and on the Super Blues gate. It was pouring with rain and I was standing there without a jacket, doing my bit for the club and fans. I smiled and said 'morning' as I had done to each fan who had come through the gate at that point. I did not bucket shake (you aren't allowed to) but I enquired of the chap if he would be interested in donating to the safe standing campaign? His initial response was no thanks. He walked on a few steps and then turned and said: "I'll tell you why too. It should be the club paying for it, not the fans" I felt it reasonable to respond (it is an argument I have heard a number of times) and said: "Why should the club pay for something which can be paid for by the fans of not only our club for the wider football family and businesses. Wouldn't you rather the club bought a striker or whatever instead?" He retorted I'm not going to stand here arguing in the rain. Fair enough, but as he brought it up I saw no reason not to counter his argument. At the end of the day, we had a company we were put in touch with very early on when looking into safe standing and have been constantly assured we could get this paid for through Crowd Funding, so I really don't get the argument that 'the club shpuld be paying for it'
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Post by mattmw on Aug 21, 2017 18:32:16 GMT 1
On our way to the ground Saturday We had to bucket shakers collecting money for the safe standing I walked up and asked if the collection was for the safe standing and refused to contribute The collectors asked why I said I think the club should pay The collector seemed to get quite upset by this He asked if I would like to discuss my views It was raining and I don't need to justify what I contribute to Don't pressure people to believe in what you do I always give to local causes But to me this isn't important I do believe this may well have been me and on the Super Blues gate. It was pouring with rain and I was standing there without a jacket, doing my bit for the club and fans. I smiled and said 'morning' as I had done to each fan who had come through the gate at that point. I did not bucket shake (you aren't allowed to) but I enquired of the chap if he would be interested in donating to the safe standing campaign? His initial response was no thanks. He walked on a few steps and then turned and said: "I'll tell you why too. It should be the club paying for it, not the fans" I felt it reasonable to respond (it is an argument I have heard a number of times) and said: "Why should the club pay for something which can be paid for by the fans of not only our club for the wider football family and businesses. Wouldn't you rather the club bought a striker or whatever instead?" He retorted I'm not going to stand here arguing in the rain. Fair enough, but as he brought it up I saw no reason not to counter his argument. At the end of the day, we had a company we were put in touch with very early on when looking into safe standing and have been constantly assured we could get this paid for through Crowd Funding, so I really don't get the argument that 'the club shpuld be paying for it' Firstly thanks for all the efforts of those involved in the campaign it's a great credit to those involved to have put so much effort in As regards the club should be paying the discussions I've had with others who are a little cynical about this is what happens post the trial. First point is similar requests from donations by the club have been made before and not followed through on, such as the legends card. Other fans have done stuff in good faith for the club only to have it not acknowledged or knocked back without feedback and I think that legacy lives on with some in relation to this project - all be it with a different lead Secondly when the trial happens it's results will be really viable to the wider football authorities. Fingers crossed and it goes well you would hope that similar trials will be allowed at other clubs, and perhaps a bigger section of seating at the Meadow can be converted to safe standing. Crowd funding such schemes won't really be viable at a lot of clubs, and so far there is no sign of official bodies indicating they will offer funding - i.e. The football league, FA or Sport England. As mentioned before Lord Justice Taylor's report post Hillsborough stated clearly ground facilities should not be funded by funs but by authorities, which saw the football foundation set up and funds distributed by them I can't quite see why the company designing the safe standing hasn't gone to them to get funding, and involve them in the monitoring process, these are big organisations with money and staff resources and it seems a bit off it's left to volunteers to do the hard graft. Safe standing is a really important issue and while it's great to trial it at our place, to see it rolled out wider a more structured approach to planning, funding and monitoring it is needed However to an extent that's a side issue as things are where they are and getting this project funded is the important thing. Hope all the work put in gets its rewards
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 19:10:03 GMT 1
So, anyone, how is this going?
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Post by callum on Aug 21, 2017 20:33:33 GMT 1
I haven't looked it up on the internet but is the safe standing rail also a seat?
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 21, 2017 21:01:17 GMT 1
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Post by block13 on Aug 21, 2017 21:10:06 GMT 1
I haven't looked it up on the internet but is the safe standing rail also a seat? It is but you cant use the seat when you want its locked up to allow you to stand. Its only used as a seat in certain designated matches that are required to be all seater i.e Champions League.
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Post by callum on Aug 21, 2017 21:30:25 GMT 1
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Post by callum on Aug 21, 2017 21:32:21 GMT 1
I haven't looked it up on the internet but is the safe standing rail also a seat? It is but you cant use the seat when you want its locked up to allow you to stand. Its only used as a seat in certain designated matches that are required to be all seater i.e Champions League. Cheers SSS, I can see now why its imperative we get them being essential for champions league!!
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Post by mysticmurray on Aug 21, 2017 22:06:29 GMT 1
"The club should pay for it" is only a valid argument in a world where the club would actually pay for something like this.
As evidenced by the lack of toilet seats at the club, we don't live in that world.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2017 22:11:35 GMT 1
would they have to put seats on the loo if we play a champions league game ?
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Post by mysticmurray on Aug 21, 2017 22:13:13 GMT 1
would they have to put seats on the loo if we play a champions league game ? No, but I believe you would be obliged to sit down for a pee.
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Post by Dale on Aug 21, 2017 22:24:49 GMT 1
It is but you cant use the seat when you want its locked up to allow you to stand. Its only used as a seat in certain designated matches that are required to be all seater i.e Champions League. Cheers SSS, I can see now why its imperative we get them being essential for champions league!! I believe the rail seats would be unlocked whenever the Meadow hosts England youth/women internationals and concerts in future.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 23:24:27 GMT 1
Why not approach Joe Hart ,even Andre Gray to see if they could chuck us a few grand toward safe seating . It would be loose change for them .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 7:30:29 GMT 1
24% raised with 21 days to go. To my untrained eye that doesn't look good, but I don't know the 'ins and outs' of crowd funding.
Are late surges common? What was expected after this length of time?
Is it fair to say that the response from Town fans has been disappointing?
I mean, you known, how is it going? What are the common trends in crowd funding?
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Post by andygroundo on Aug 22, 2017 7:34:18 GMT 1
24% raised with 21 days to go. To my untrained eye that doesn't look good, but I don't know the 'ins and outs' of crowd funding. Are late surges common? What was expected after this length of time? Is it fair to say that the response from Town fans has been disappointing? I mean, you known, how is it going? What are the common trends in crowd funding? A real Johnny Nash. (More questions than answers) One for the teenagers.
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Post by calimero on Aug 22, 2017 9:56:01 GMT 1
When we get the donations of signed shirts etc that people can choose to be entered into a draw for when donating, are they being promoted to a targeted audience? For example, the Harry Gregg Utd shirt - is it promoted on Utd forums? Also, where are the draw prizes coming from? Tifosy or the supporters parliament? I may be able to get something (nothing certain) but who would I need to speak to?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 11:33:58 GMT 1
24% raised with 21 days to go. To my untrained eye that doesn't look good, but I don't know the 'ins and outs' of crowd funding. Are late surges common? What was expected after this length of time? Is it fair to say that the response from Town fans has been disappointing? The current figure itself is somewhat disappointing relative to the overall target. Then again, it must be contextualised against the STFC fanbase as a whole. We have an aging fanbase in the main, many of whom will lack the fiscal resources to make a donation - or will be indifferent/opposed to "safe standing" as a concept. Take a look at Oxford on Saturday for further evidence of this - we will take approximately 650 there, and at least 500 will remain seated in silence for the duration of the fixture. I'd be somewhat surprised if we came anywhere near the 75k target when all is said and done - we'd need to raise more than £2,500 per day in order to achieve this. Nevertheless, my hope is that the club will appreciate that raising 20k is a decent effort for STFC as a provincial football club, and then agree to stump up the rest of the accordingly. Considering we spunked 100k on Nathan Elder, 55k for something which will benefit generations of Town fans is hardly a lot to ask from the regime. They can think of it as reparations for ruining our match-day experience by selling Gay Meadow a decade ago. The dream has gone, but the baby is real!
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Post by mattmw on Aug 22, 2017 11:55:37 GMT 1
24% raised with 21 days to go. To my untrained eye that doesn't look good, but I don't know the 'ins and outs' of crowd funding. Are late surges common? What was expected after this length of time? Is it fair to say that the response from Town fans has been disappointing? I mean, you known, how is it going? What are the common trends in crowd funding? One of the Crowd Funding groups did some research recently that suggested the average target for campaigns was about £45k and roughly 45% of campaigns reached their target figure. Another common feature is that most money comes in during the first and last week of the campaign and there is often a lull in the middle. These studies though includes everything from business start ups to charity campaigns so the scope of the different campaigns is very different The safe standing campaign is a bit different to others though as while there is a technical deadline I don't think money disappears or stops in 21 days and there is every opportunity to continue the fundraising and find other sources of funding that aren't necessarily straight donations. So no need to be down hearted just yet
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 22, 2017 12:01:49 GMT 1
To be honest, and this is not anything official, but there is the option to extend the campaign a little bit longer too i would guess...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 12:26:16 GMT 1
I take it collections at the ground will continue at every home game now ?
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 22, 2017 12:31:45 GMT 1
I take it collections at the ground will continue at every home game now ? just the one home league game - Wigan (9th) Southend on the tuesday night (12th) is after the 6pm deadline for donations on the same night. But if the deadline is extended, then yes, there is more home games to take collections at.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 12:34:30 GMT 1
I take it collections at the ground will continue at every home game now ? just the one home league game - Wigan (9th) Southend on the tuesday night (12th) is after the 6pm deadline for donations on the same night. But if the deadline is extended, then yes, there is more home games to take collections at. Thank you ipswichshrew.
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 22, 2017 12:51:20 GMT 1
I will look out for the buckets.
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Post by Dale on Aug 22, 2017 14:08:39 GMT 1
To be honest, and this is not anything official, but there is the option to extend the campaign a little bit longer too i would guess... That would make sense to me, if it means we don't get the rail seats before the end of the season then so be it, heard a suggestion that we would only put in the number of seats as to what we can afford from the money raised by the deadline (so 225 would be installed if we raised £37,500 for example), personally I think that idea is a bit naff and think we should keep going until we reach the 75k.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 22, 2017 16:14:32 GMT 1
would they have to put seats on the loo if we play a champions league game ? What play the game in the Toilet
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 22, 2017 16:28:27 GMT 1
would they have to put seats on the loo if we play a champions league game ? What play the game in the Toilet
Are you going to pop in and have a word with Alistair on our behalf?
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