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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 22:18:36 GMT 1
Let's wait until you actually see the s**t that's come through the door in pre season. Let's see which one of you makes the first post on here saying who signed these players🤔 So you'd be willing to have say, £50 for charity with me, that we'll finish higher then next season? If you're so confident that this squad is worse then last season?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 22:18:52 GMT 1
The OP has a point about the 4 players, 2 of whom have had recent serious injuries and loanees can go one of two ways.
I'm not sure what the solution is and I'm not bothered about what happens next May, because life is too short.
We still don't know the final look of the team and there's a month to go, so no real point in saying how the team will do in July.
I know one thing though, people won't be trusting Hurst by Xmas if we're struggling.
I'm not surprised we have 5 players from one agent, that's how modern football works. Networks.
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Post by polas1949 on Jul 9, 2017 22:18:57 GMT 1
Why judge his signings so early. At least wait until the season starts and they have pulled on the blue and amber shirt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 22:20:15 GMT 1
Interesting to see Barnsley fielded 2 sides this weekend in a trip to Hungary and no sign of Payne in either - won't be surprised to see Stefan back here in the coming days
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Post by kinder on Jul 9, 2017 22:21:00 GMT 1
I've logged all the names that have replied to this post, when pre season kicks off and you see these players ain't going to cut it please don't come on here slagging players off because trust I'll be waiting for you💪 First post and making threats?? And this used to be such a friendly & sensitive site
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Post by adamkeane on Jul 9, 2017 22:30:24 GMT 1
when you've had a season ticket for the last 14 years and go on average 5/10 away games a season and see the same rubbish coming through the door it just gets old and boring tbh. When you see other clubs with some ambition and looking to go abroad (totally understandable may not work) but I'm sure with Hurst he must have links around football, so why can't we try and go into Europe and try and build links because these can be gems if done the right way (unlike port vale). I know if we signed a player from let's say Spain/France/Portugal and played at a good level and come to Shrewsbury everyone would be loving it more than signing an under 23 player from another club
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 22:36:08 GMT 1
Quite happy to see Hurst invest in youngsters with a point to prove and with desire and fire in their bellies - after forsaking last season and the crap that Mellon gave us I'm looking forward with eager anticipation to the coming season
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 22:41:30 GMT 1
when you've had a season ticket for the last 14 years and go on average 5/10 away games a season and see the same rubbish coming through the door it just gets old and boring tbh. When you see other clubs with some ambition and looking to go abroad (totally understandable may not work) but I'm sure with Hurst he must have links around football, so why can't we try and go into Europe and try and build links because these can be gems if done the right way (unlike port vale). I know if we signed a player from let's say Spain/France/Portugal and played at a good level and come to Shrewsbury everyone would be loving it more than signing an under 23 player from another club I don't get you're obsession with Europe. Sheffield Utd, Bolton and Millwall went up last season, how much of their squads were made up with players brought in from abroad? We need players who know the league over here, not foreigners who are used to a different style of play. If you're bored and fed up, stop going. You keep saying we're worse off now then we were last season, but keep avoiding it when I say I'll bet you any amount of money we'll finish higher next season then the season just gone! Put your money where your mouth is if you're so confident.
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Post by adamkeane on Jul 9, 2017 22:45:31 GMT 1
Don't worry If we finish higher than last season I'll meet you out the the front entrance and had over my hard earned cash. Don't worry I won't be going anywhere because I can bet you'll be the first to say something once you see the crap at Brackley town
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Post by Exkeeper on Jul 9, 2017 23:35:01 GMT 1
Am I the only one that wishes his friend Pete, had kept his mouth shut? I reckon it is either our old mate from Meadow Lane, Kop this, Or the goat supporting troll the notorious FBS.
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Post by keithb123 on Jul 10, 2017 1:23:17 GMT 1
Am I the only one that wishes his friend Pete, had kept his mouth shut? I reckon it is either our old mate from Meadow Lane, Kop this, Or the goat supporting troll the notorious FBS. You'd like to think it was a wind up, however, the time and effort put into the original post was considerable. IMO it was a complete waste of "ink" Where did the likes of Jamie Vardy come from? Fleetwood Town Charlie Austin - poole FC "Sir Les Ferdinand" - Southall (8th highest goal scorer in the PL) Ian Wright - Greenwich Borough Stuart Pearce - Wealdstone Jimmy Bullard - Ebsfleet(as is now (was Gravesend & Northfleet) Troy Deeney - Chelmsley Town Chris Smalling - Maidestone United Grant Holt - Barrow Kevin Phillps - Baldock Gareth Mcauley - Lincoln City never played mens / adult SENIOR (I think you'll find it is called) football until he was 24 Steve Finnan - Welling United Gary Pallister - Billingham Town Peter Davenport - Cammel Laird Ben Foster - Warwick Ricky Lambert - Macclesfield & Stockport County There's a real feeling of "bitter & twisted" in the original post, so much so it has to be a wind up. Out of interest adamkeane what line of work are you in? Reason I ask is that you appear to have no idea about lower league football, or, you know so much about it that you can claim to know better than the bloke who toook over at Salop when we were adrift at the bottom of the league and who saved us from a certain relegation.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jul 10, 2017 4:19:48 GMT 1
Don't agree with many of the OP's arguments or his shouty negativity, and his suggestion that we should be looking abroad is frankly laughable and sounds like someone who has played Football Manager and thinks that is how things work in actuality.
That said, however, I do agree with the sentiment that the signings so far are pretty underwhelming. The young loanees are always a bit of a punt in the dark that could turn out great but are equally (if not more) likely not to come off. And the LJL signing concerns me - his stats are not impressive and being a slightly older player who has been out for a long time with bad injuries doesn't exactly bode well. The lad from Kiddie though, that's the kind of gamble I do think is worth taking with a player or two each year. Hopefully there are a few more incoming yet.
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Post by shrewder on Jul 10, 2017 6:55:31 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 7:55:00 GMT 1
I'm worried about the coming season now......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 8:11:53 GMT 1
I'm quietly impressed with the signings on the whole. I think Bryn Morris may turn out to be a very good move, Nolan seems to have done well last year at this level and will still improve, Gnahoua is an educated punt and should be fun to watch. Jules is an interesting one, unproven, and seems to have a mistake in him but potential too. The loans come with pedigree and that fact the lad from Swansea has been in the full Welsh squad suggests he shouldn't be out of his depth like some u23s. I would be slightly concerned if Sadler got injured as I expect both Toto and Jules are better with an experienced head alongside them (not a headless chicken like McGivern). LJL is a strong hold up player who will work hard, underwhelming to some but will be judged on the others strikers he plays with - if they benefit from his play we'll see why he was signed, if he's upfront with also-rans I expect he'll look v average.
I'd heard or seen at lot more of last summers signings so understand why some are not yet convinced but there seems to be a balance and logic about the way Hurst is putting the squad together that was missing with MMs Supermarket Sweep approach.
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Post by shrewder on Jul 10, 2017 8:18:59 GMT 1
Well I'm glad I'm not a new signing for the club and reading this thread. Is this the way football social media is going. Condemn the club before a player has even kicked a ball in anger in the new season. Totally ridiculous. Yes we may not have a very good season but honestly give PH a chance. The world's gone mad!!!
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Post by napoleon4th on Jul 10, 2017 8:40:54 GMT 1
Haha a season ticket holder for 14 years and didn't know about B&A, for Pete's sake get real. Good wind up thread with the usual poor grammar and spelling. Good effort.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 8:49:35 GMT 1
The one thing that should be pointed out is that, virtually to a man, all players improved under Hurst last season.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jul 10, 2017 9:37:26 GMT 1
Haha a season ticket holder for 14 years and didn't know about B&A, for Pete's sake get real. Good wind up thread with the usual poor grammar and spelling. Good effort. I don't know about " for Pete's sake"', Pete is supposedly the one to blame for him appearing on here after 14 years. Hopefully it will be another 14 years before he saturates us with more negativity.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 10, 2017 9:44:12 GMT 1
I may be unduly cynical, but to start your B&A career this way suggests that the OP has an issue with PH. There's a strong whiff of sour grapes.
This is the time of year when all football fans are full of hope and optimism for the new season, granted the feeling rarely lasts beyond September, but it's very odd to be so negative before a ball has been kicked.
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Post by percy on Jul 10, 2017 10:53:06 GMT 1
We were all up for a great season this time last year with MMs league one ready players. He got it wrong as did we. In Hurst we trust. Rubbish thread which does nobody any good at a time when there is a feel good feeling around the club After pre-season I'm not sure that there was anyone looking forward to last season.
I have never experienced the Town playing worse than this time last year - true, we have played as bad, but christ on a bike we were awful and without a clue. Mellon deserved shooting for last year's recruitment - thank the Lord the Tranmere job came up otherwise the bunker down mentality of Roland could have severely damaged the club.
Paul Hurst is a welcome breath of fresh air and strikes me as a reasonable bloke who has got a bit more perspective and maturity about him than MM who struck me as a petulant teenager both Under stress and when things were going well.
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Post by adamkeane on Jul 10, 2017 11:01:57 GMT 1
Just like to say that I have no issue with PH, when he first come to the club and through last season i was impressed, maybe it's just me having high expectations from PH in which I thought we may have been ambitious and brought players to the club we may not have been able to attract before. Like I said and we can all agree that the league this year is very strong, and when you look to recruit surely you've got to also look at expierince and quality and the 5 signing including the goalkeeper don't for me sit in these 2 main criteria. I totally agree that youth is important but it makes no sense why we would take players who've never played men's football especially when the league this season is soooo strong. If you look at the clubs signing from the non league they've signed players that have played 40+ games at that level e.g. Nick Anderton (Blackpool), sterling(Mansfield) and Turgott at (steveage) to name a few, these players all played a main role at their old clubs but we've signed a player who's played 16 games and signed a player who has played 2 times at Newport. Just strange why we haven't looked into the Scottish market because there is so many good free agents up north that clubs around us are taking advantage of. Like I said abroad for me should be an option because there is 5 teams around us in league 1 who've brought from abroad so I'm not alone in my thinking that we could take advantage if done right and I thought that with PH we would have got the best from the non league but this hasn't happened and my thought right now with the signing is that we're going to get ran over, but I hope you're all right and I'm talking💩, which my partner will probably agree with you all.😂😂. This is my view only and don't expect everyone to run with me but I think it's an option
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Post by wakemanender on Jul 10, 2017 11:05:50 GMT 1
Not the kind of thread you want to see just before a new season starts. We are all entitled to our opinion but this is frankly embarrassing for a first thread. Its obviously someone bored in the school holidays. His friend Pete must be sorry he ever mentioned blue and amber. Is this person going to be pain throughout the season. I think the more we react the more he will post even when back at school for the new term
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Post by adamkeane on Jul 10, 2017 11:18:59 GMT 1
This is my view and if you don't like it then don't post on it, simple really.
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Post by trueblue89 on Jul 10, 2017 11:37:08 GMT 1
Just like to say that I have no issue with PH, when he first come to the club and through last season i was impressed, maybe it's just me having high expectations from PH in which I thought we may have been ambitious and brought players to the club we may not have been able to attract before. Like I said and we can all agree that the league this year is very strong, and when you look to recruit surely you've got to also look at expierince and quality and the 5 signing including the goalkeeper don't for me sit in these 2 main criteria. I totally agree that youth is important but it makes no sense why we would take players who've never played men's football especially when the league this season is soooo strong. If you look at the clubs signing from the non league they've signed players that have played 40+ games at that level e.g. Nick Anderton (Blackpool), sterling(Mansfield) and Turgott at (steveage) to name a few, these players all played a main role at their old clubs but we've signed a player who's played 16 games and signed a player who has played 2 times at Newport. Just strange why we haven't looked into the Scottish market because there is so many good free agents up north that clubs around us are taking advantage of. Like I said abroad for me should be an option because there is 5 teams around us in league 1 who've brought from abroad so I'm not alone in my thinking that we could take advantage if done right and I thought that with PH we would have got the best from the non league but this hasn't happened and my thought right now with the signing is that we're going to get ran over, but I hope you're all right and I'm talking💩, which my partner will probably agree with you all.😂😂. This is my view only and don't expect everyone to run with me but I think it's an option Adam, I see what you talking about in your choice/ opinion of where you feel we should or could be recruiting our players from. My opinion is that it doesn't matter where you are signing players from as there is always a chance they are not going to perform at the club. You mention about the " proven goal scorer ". Cue Jamie Cureton, fantastic goal scorer for many years above Salop's level. Bagging an impressive 190 goals before joining Shrewsbury and not hitting the net once. Moved on and netted almost 100 goals away from here. PH takes the approach of wanting hungry, hardworking players that he knows. He had that philosophy at Grimsby which gained him a reputation of a bright young manager. You've mentioned about the free agents in Scotland. They are free agents for a reason. If they were good enough at the level they were at, we would need to be paying fee's as they would have contracts. Looking abroad is no different to shopping in non-league. Your going to be signing a player that may not have the experience. Then with added issues like language barriers and players needing to settle in and not become homesick or up rooting families. I just feel you are being a little bit naive to what PH is doing. The list is endless for players coming out of non league and taking the league by storm. I.e Craig Mackail-Smith, Aaron McLean and even the great Jamie Vardy. These players got a chance from non league and worked hard.
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Post by shrewder on Jul 10, 2017 11:49:48 GMT 1
Not the kind of thread you want to see just before a new season starts. We are all entitled to our opinion but this is frankly embarrassing for a first thread. Its obviously someone bored in the school holidays. His friend Pete must be sorry he ever mentioned blue and amber. Is this person going to be pain throughout the season. I think the more we react the more he will post even when back at school for the new term Exactly too much time on his hands. Needs to get out a bit.
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Post by adamkeane on Jul 10, 2017 12:01:26 GMT 1
Any signing you make is a gamble, fact. You've gotta try and put the odds in your favour haven't you? You said about free players in Scotland, look at Ash Taylor now at (Northampton Town), was regarded as one of the best CBs in Scotland (was at Aberdeen) and he didnt want to sign a new deal because he wanted a change, so not all free agents are what you're claiming, this is where good recruitment comes into play. Look up in Scotland now there's a young player Lawrence Shankland who has been released by Aberdeen at 21, he's got a goal ratio of 1-2 in the championship, there's also other players up in Scotland who scored like this and now he has moved to Nottingham Forest. There's also other free agents like Nick Ross/Sean Welsh all saying they want new challenges and are 25-27 respectively, all with Premeir league/championship experience and with over 200+ games at that level. All the information is easily accessible over the internet and I thought we could have attracted these sort of players. Just would like to see some ambition that's all. Done the right way like Huddersfield/Fleetwood/ Bradford to name a few it can make a really difference and bring a buzz to the club that we mean business.
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Post by shrewder on Jul 10, 2017 12:14:34 GMT 1
In all these comments about who Town should sign, the huge stumbling block of wages and agents has been overlooked. I think we can be reasonably satisfied PH is doing the best he can within the resources he has at his disposal
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 12:21:09 GMT 1
Adam paints a very simple picture doesn't he, check the internet to see who is free, just pop over to the continent (or Scotland) and then get them. Suspect he has been playing too much football manager.
As Nick has said, the original post did make some valid comments/quality about the quality of the players signed so far this summer. There's certainly not many which have impressed me but it's early days and ultimately what happens on the pitch is what matters. Maybe his comments would be taken a bit more seriously if he didn't make claims like we have not watched any of our signings and reduce his obsession with overseas signings.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 12:21:22 GMT 1
This is my view and if you don't like it then don't post on it, simple really. Buddy. The reality is that if you don't want to hear people's views don't post on the board. It's a forum. By publishing you're view you're inviting comment and these are both positive and negative. Don't post your opinion if you're not prepared to be criticised.
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