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Post by lenny on Jul 22, 2015 10:35:29 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33612502Bairstow in for Ballance with Bell and Root set to play 3 and 4 respectively. Rashid and Finn still in the squad so potential for one of them to come in. Also good to hear the selectors saying how Ballance just needs to go and score county runs and he remains a key part of the long-term plan. I seem to recall Taylor being told something similar. Just scored 291 but no nearer selection. He was the other name the selectors considered, but Bairstow has massively outperformed him and won is the ODI against NZ. Anyway, before that one big score, I do believe he was averaging below 40 this season. Hardly sending a message to the selectors. Plus this summer is the the first time in a year there's been a problem with our batting in the middle order.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 22, 2015 11:03:20 GMT 1
Ian Bell's last 11 Test Innings:-
1, 0, 0, 1, 29, 12, 1, 1, 60, 1, 11. Total Runs 117 Average 10.64
Ballance has a better record than that over his last 11 innings, and he's been dropped!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 11:23:04 GMT 1
Ian Bell's last 11 Test Innings:- 1, 0, 0, 1, 29, 12, 1, 1, 60, 1, 11. Total Runs 117 Average 10.64 Ballance has a better record than that over his last 11 innings, and he's been dropped! I would say it's the last chance saloon for Ian Bell. Fail at his home ground and it may be the last time we'll see him in test cricket. Not sure who would replace him mind in the short term, if Ballance is to return at some stage.
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Post by lenny on Jul 22, 2015 11:24:45 GMT 1
Taylor is probably the next man in line for the test side, although I'm sure a fit Chris Woakes will keep the selectors interested given how he's bowled since his return.
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Post by siabod on Jul 22, 2015 11:25:12 GMT 1
Ian Bell's last 11 Test Innings:- 1, 0, 0, 1, 29, 12, 1, 1, 60, 1, 11. Total Runs 117 Average 10.64 Ballance has a better record than that over his last 11 innings, and he's been dropped! And so he should be, like a rabbit in the headlights, has been playing with no confidence and like a batsman who is completely out of his depth, being dropped now could well be the making of him if he returns to his county, gets back to basics and regains his confidence he could well become the player we all thought he could become. Could see this coming and suggested he was replaced (on B&A) before or during the NZ series. Bell has I feel been saved by Balance being dropped as possibly both going would have been too much of an upheaval, Bell at least looked like a batsman, Ballance in this series has not given that impression. Lyth had been touted on these pages as being the answer to our opening problems, he has also failed to impress, he may of course come good but lets hope he proves it soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 11:36:29 GMT 1
Taylor is probably the next man in line for the test side, although I'm sure a fit Chris Woakes will keep the selectors interested given how he's bowled since his return. James Vince of Hampshire looked ready to step up before the start of the season but sadly he's out of form so far this summer.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 22, 2015 11:38:31 GMT 1
Talking to some Yorkshire supporters, they reckon their other opening bat Lees is a better player than Lyth.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 22, 2015 11:46:13 GMT 1
According to Cricinfo, Compton suffers from the same fault as KP - an inability to keep his mouth shut at the appropriate time.
Apparently, he made a hospital visit to check on an injury. When he returned it was suggested he'd done that to avoid a long stint in the field. He exception to this, heated words were exchanged, and since then he has never been selected.
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Post by lenny on Jul 22, 2015 11:57:17 GMT 1
Talking to some Yorkshire supporters, they reckon their other opening bat Lees is a better player than Lyth. Had heard that, too. Think he's been slightly disappointing this season, though. Plenty of talented young batsmen around - Tom Abell and Zafar Ansari if you're looking for solid openers, Sam Hain averages over 50 in FC cricket and Jack Leaning has been brilliant for Yorkshire this season. All of them will obviously be needing time to develop but have lots of potential. Scotty Borthwick seems to be developing from a batting legspinner to one of the best batsman around, too. Batting at 3 for Durham he's got a healthy average this season - not to mention a better a best test match bowling average any of our current options!
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Post by northwestman on Jul 22, 2015 13:06:41 GMT 1
Rushworth with just the 6 wickets today. 7 now. Carberry 1st ball.
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Post by vanner on Jul 22, 2015 13:37:05 GMT 1
Ian Bell's last 11 Test Innings:- 1, 0, 0, 1, 29, 12, 1, 1, 60, 1, 11. Total Runs 117 Average 10.64 Ballance has a better record than that over his last 11 innings, and he's been dropped! An average isn't everything though. Bell has looked like making runs quite often and his hundred just before that run of scores was one of his finest imo. Ballance is a big player for the future and will be back, I'm glad he's been dropped as it's definitely the right thing to do. I think this is a great chance for Bell at 3. He can stamp his authority on games and if Bell gets in it'll be a huge confidence booster to the rest of the team as he can make any pitch look as flat as a pancake. Re Taylor. He should have come in a year or 2 ago and I just hope he gets a chance soon. But just like KP earlier in the summer, 1 score doesn't mean you should be selected. He's been poor by his high standards in FC cricket this year.
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Post by lenny on Jul 22, 2015 14:56:54 GMT 1
The other thing with Taylor is that he's as bad as Watson for being a nailed on LBW wicket according to Notts journos. Something he'd have to work on against quality bowling.
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Post by vanner on Jul 22, 2015 14:58:18 GMT 1
Bairstow just cracked 74 off 51 not out in a champo thrashing for Yorkshire!
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Post by lenny on Jul 22, 2015 16:47:22 GMT 1
Really excited to see how he does in the three tests. Can't remember the last time anyone played this well!
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Post by northwestman on Jul 23, 2015 14:25:46 GMT 1
Really excited to see how he does in the three tests. Can't remember the last time anyone played this well! Well, Mark Ramprakash scored 35,659 1st class runs at an average of 53.14. That included 114 hundreds. In both 2006 and 2007 he scored over 2,000 runs and averaged over 100 for the whole season. His test record - 52 Tests with an average of 27.32. Graeme Hick has similar stats. 41,112 1st class runs at an average of 52.23. That included 136 hundreds. His test record - 61 Tests with an average of 31.32.
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Post by lenny on Jul 23, 2015 14:47:38 GMT 1
Really excited to see how he does in the three tests. Can't remember the last time anyone played this well! Well, Mark Ramprakash scored 35,659 1st class runs at an average of 53.14. That included 114 hundreds. In both 2006 and 2007 he scored over 2,000 runs and averaged over 100 for the whole season. His test record - 52 Tests with an average of 27.32. Graeme Hick has similar stats. 41,112 1st class runs at an average of 52.23. That included 136 hundreds. His test record - 61 Tests with an average of 31.32. Yes true, but I mean over the short term. He's averaging 108 this season, and smashed NZ off the park to pretty much single-handedly win the last ODI by himself as an indicator he should be able to do it at international level. Fully accept that it's no gaurantee of success, but he's whacking it around with chanceless innings after chanceless innings and I find it exciting!
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Post by northwestman on Jul 23, 2015 15:04:53 GMT 1
Apparently he has a weakness playing across the line. If this is so, be assured the Aussies will be working on it.
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Post by lenny on Jul 23, 2015 15:17:15 GMT 1
From what I've heard it's no longer the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 16:04:57 GMT 1
Really excited to see how he does in the three tests. Can't remember the last time anyone played this well! Well, Mark Ramprakash scored 35,659 1st class runs at an average of 53.14. That included 114 hundreds. In both 2006 and 2007 he scored over 2,000 runs and averaged over 100 for the whole season. His test record - 52 Tests with an average of 27.32. Graeme Hick has similar stats. 41,112 1st class runs at an average of 52.23. That included 136 hundreds. His test record - 61 Tests with an average of 31.32. Admittedly both Ramprakash and Hick's test records are not good but 2 things have to be taken into consideration. First, test batting averages were overall probably 10 runs lower than they are today. Secondly and more importantly both would have probably flourished under the more enlightened and sympathetic management of today. Hick's case is probably unique as he had to serve a lengthy qualification in comparison with, say, Pietersen, and for a considerable period just bullied county bowlers without being exposed to real class, thus developing and not correcting faults which were often his downfall at test level.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 23, 2015 19:23:36 GMT 1
Blimey, when did cricket get so expensive? Some Edgbaston tickets still available, starting from £81. Not on your life!
I went to see England - West Indies at The Oval back when the West Indies were dominant and recall it was pretty good value, even allowing for inflation. What happened?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 19:52:05 GMT 1
Blimey, when did cricket get so expensive? Some Edgbaston tickets still available, starting from £81. Not on your life! I went to see England - West Indies at The Oval back when the West Indies were dominant and recall it was pretty good value, even allowing for inflation. What happened? ECB will see the ashes as their cash cow and will want to coin it in as much as they can, especially knowing that there will be plenty of interest from the cricket loving public. There also seems to be a decent following for the Aussies as well. I suppose the ECB could well argue that they have all these players under central contracts that they have to pay and also the hosts will want to recoup some of the capital outlay for the new redevelopment work at Edgbaston. I've also found that prices to watch Wales at the MS have also been hiked up in the last year or two and some of the ticket prices for the upcoming world cup are well frankly obscene. I know it's all about supply and demand but I for one refuse to pay over the odds.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 23, 2015 20:46:26 GMT 1
Blimey, when did cricket get so expensive? Some Edgbaston tickets still available, starting from £81. Not on your life! I went to see England - West Indies at The Oval back when the West Indies were dominant and recall it was pretty good value, even allowing for inflation. What happened? ECB will see the ashes as their cash cow and will want to coin it in as much as they can, especially knowing that there will be plenty of interest from the cricket loving public. There also seems to be a decent following for the Aussies as well. I suppose the ECB could well argue that they have all these players under central contracts that they have to pay and also the hosts will want to recoup some of the capital outlay for the new redevelopment work at Edgbaston. I've also found that prices to watch Wales at the MS have also been hiked up in the last year or two and some of the ticket prices for the upcoming world cup are well frankly obscene. I know it's all about supply and demand but I for one refuse to pay over the odds. Yes, quite shocked at how pricey it is. Supply & demand as you say and days 3 & 4 have sold out, so plenty are paying. It's interesting that, for all the obvious financial benefits of the Sky deal, the TV audience for the First Test was very low, even for subscription TV. I fear for cricket's future as anything other than a minority sport. Certainly my sons know very little about it and have even less interest - even though one will be working at Edgbaston! Golf might be going the same way - falling participation and the Open moving to Sky from 2017. Not fussed about that though.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 23, 2015 20:52:58 GMT 1
It will be even more of a minority sport if what Cricinfo is reporting is correct. That the ECB are planning to cut the 1st class games from 16 to 12.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 21:38:17 GMT 1
Blimey, when did cricket get so expensive? Some Edgbaston tickets still available, starting from £81. Not on your life! I went to see England - West Indies at The Oval back when the West Indies were dominant and recall it was pretty good value, even allowing for inflation. What happened? ECB started money grabbing like a premier league football club and not giving a s**te about the normal fan, their monopoly with sky is another pointer to that.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jul 23, 2015 23:51:41 GMT 1
On a side note - anyone else find it amusing (but irritating) how BBC 5Live report the opinions of their own correspondents (Boycs and Vaughn in particular) as if it is breaking factual sports news. Something like "Today's sports news: Ian Bell must succeed at number three in the third test at Edgbaston or he will be dropped. Former England opening batsman Geoffrey Boycott has said that..." I'm sorry, but much as I love the BBC and enjoy listening to 5Live almost every day, I have to say that this is very poor journalism. Media opinion, especially one's own opinion, is not headline news. If you don't have any proper sports headline news to report, then don't - it'll give you more time to play your continual reminders that I am listening to BBC Radio 5Live (do you think I don't already know that!?) and to cut off more guests before they have had time to answer your questions or say what they intended to say. Mini-rant over
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Post by northwestman on Jul 24, 2015 11:12:54 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 12:36:36 GMT 1
Blimey, when did cricket get so expensive? Some Edgbaston tickets still available, starting from £81. Not on your life! I went to see England - West Indies at The Oval back when the West Indies were dominant and recall it was pretty good value, even allowing for inflation. What happened? The 2005 Ashes series. I could be wrong but have it in my head that prices were fairly sensible (up to £40) but after that series where cricket became more popular, the prices rose. Like you I saw that some tickets became available but at £81 + travel, food and drink I couldnt justify it. A shame but as long as the grounds are full the prices will remain the same. Although recent test matches in England (non Ashes) have definitly seen a reduction in crowds due to the price
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 24, 2015 17:48:44 GMT 1
On a side note - anyone else find it amusing (but irritating) how BBC 5Live report the opinions of their own correspondents (Boycs and Vaughn in particular) as if it is breaking factual sports news. Something like "Today's sports news: Ian Bell must succeed at number three in the third test at Edgbaston or he will be dropped. Former England opening batsman Geoffrey Boycott has said that..." I'm sorry, but much as I love the BBC and enjoy listening to 5Live almost every day, I have to say that this is very poor journalism. Media opinion, especially one's own opinion, is not headline news. If you don't have any proper sports headline news to report, then don't - it'll give you more time to play your continual reminders that I am listening to BBC Radio 5Live (do you think I don't already know that!?) and to cut off more guests before they have had time to answer your questions or say what they intended to say. Mini-rant over That's what they did with the Nigel Pearson story. BBC journalist has a go at a manager, see the video here... Then every time Pearson was mentioned even up to his sacking that video was the next item in the story. Making your own news up is a sign of having your head wedged where the sun doesn't shine.
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Post by vanner on Jul 28, 2015 13:07:39 GMT 1
Sounds as though it's Finn for Wood as I can't see us risking him if we're unsure at this late stage if he's fit enough. Nevill quite rightly keeps his place. No doubt the Aussies are a lot stronger having replaced t**tto and Haddin.
Also good to see Ballance make a good score for Yorkshire. In other news. RIP Clive Rice. One of the best players of all time, just a shame he was around in the era he was.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 14:01:21 GMT 1
In other news. RIP Clive Rice. One of the best players of all time, just a shame he was around in the era he was. That's sad news. I remember him as a great all rounder who formed a formidable bowling partnership with Richard Hadlee during their time at Notts. Just a great shame that he and the likes of Mike Procter and Barry Richards never got the chance to play international cricket. RIP
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