bigbear17
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stfc till i die through thick and thin i will watch them win salop
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Post by bigbear17 on Jul 7, 2014 21:26:03 GMT 1
No student price is odd. Usually grouped with senior price isn't it? Hopefully that's rectified. Why should students get a discount? IMO they should pay the same as everyone else
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Post by DiglisShrew on Jul 7, 2014 21:27:20 GMT 1
Whilst I would agree the article and pricing appears confusing and poorly put together, do you honestly think any club who is going to increase it's prices should be expected to, and would, run it past it's supporters parliament....... Give me one good reason why not Foxie. i didn't say they should be agreed with the SP. But why wouldn't you (and perhaps they were consulted) run such a significantly new concept past your appointed fans representative chairs? Foxie- In the last few years the Club always ran the prices past the Supporters Liasion Group before they were announced and explained the thinking behind it . We had a chance for input even if ignored !!
Even more woorying Foxie is just what did happen at your meeting with the Chairman ?? You seem to have agreed with his every decision since !!! Are you now his spokesman / official "spinner" ?? I think we should be told !!
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Post by Matster on Jul 7, 2014 21:28:15 GMT 1
If you get the flexi ticket for Cat B areas of the ground as a member: Standard price is £90, so per game is £18 Oap/Student price costs £65, per game is £13
These are the same prices as two weeks before on the dynamic ticketing system so as long as you're organised and aware of what games you want to watch then it is a good deal.
It still penalises the turn up on the day fans. Let's hope they do offers for key games around Christmas etc such as the mentioned above - bring a mate for a fiver
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 21:28:20 GMT 1
It looks like you can get Tickets for Villa at £20-£25 and £10 for a Kid. I always take mine to Salop but for someone else looking to treat their Kid's to a first game which looks more tempting? www.avfc.co.uk/page/SeatingPlan
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Post by WATR on Jul 7, 2014 21:33:39 GMT 1
If you get the flexi ticket for Cat B areas of the ground as a member: Standard price is £90, so per game is £18 Oap/Student price costs £65, per game is £13 These are the same prices as two weeks before on the dynamic ticketing system so as long as you're organised and aware of what games you want to watch then it is a good deal. It still penalises the turn up on the day fans. Let's hope they do offers for key games around Christmas etc such as the mentioned above - bring a mate for a fiver If you know you will be going to exactly 5 games that's all well and good, but I won't bother going because the people I go with wont commit to that many games and certainly won't pay the £17 student price plus the £16 train fare to Salop. I won't go to games on my own so won't bother at all now. Just last season we could have planned in advance and all paid £11 each without any of this confusing rip off nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 21:45:09 GMT 1
Whilst I would agree the article and pricing appears confusing and poorly put together, do you honestly think any club who is going to increase it's prices should be expected to, and would, run it past it's supporters parliament....... Give me one good reason why not Foxie. i didn't say they should be agreed with the SP. But why wouldn't you (and perhaps they were consulted) run such a significantly new concept past your appointed fans representative chairs? Ahh right I misread I thought you were saying they should be agreed with the SP.
I don't really see what benefit telling the Supporters Parliament first does, because the club will not amend anything based on that meeting and they will get feedback anywayby bums on seats and come up with ticket initiatives if they need to readdress ticket income.
Saying that, I personally do think the prices are steeper than I would have liked them to have been and I don't agree with the £5 membership fee but I don't know the facts.
I just hope the club have got their sums right because I would expect there to be an initial drop in the attendances. I suppose Supporters will get used to the membership card in time as long as the club stick to it and supporters get to experience the advantage of having one however the casual supporter is totally discouraged which is mistake
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 21:56:04 GMT 1
Give me one good reason why not Foxie. i didn't say they should be agreed with the SP. But why wouldn't you (and perhaps they were consulted) run such a significantly new concept past your appointed fans representative chairs? Foxie- In the last few years the Club always ran the prices past the Supporters Liasion Group before they were announced and explained the thinking behind it . We had a chance for input even if ignored !!
Even more woorying Foxie is just what did happen at your meeting with the Chairman ?? You seem to have agreed with his every decision since !!! Are you now his spokesman / official "spinner" ?? I think we should be told !!
I think the Chairman realised the club had to somehow re-invest in the team, and if they did not would be treading water and slipping further toward the bottom of League 2, gates would drop further watching an unsuccessful unispiring team and the cycle would continue.
I am fairly convinced getting Weale and a couple of other major earners off the wage bill plus Taylors move was planned and part of the required wheeling and dealing but at the same time not to jeopardise the financial stability of the club.
The new price structure is obviously part of the bigger picture!
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Post by jamo on Jul 7, 2014 22:11:06 GMT 1
The thing is, a club such as ours has predominantly a fixed pool of support to attract , the numbers attracted from that pool will fluctuate from time to time for any given reason, this decision may or may not impact upon that. What it will definitely impact upon, possibly quite seriously, is our ability to attract new support or casual support and that is to be greatly regretted.
Pretty damn poor opening shot from our new off field team.
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Post by Chic on Jul 7, 2014 22:31:27 GMT 1
We should have known all these new signing would come out of our pockets.. Can't wait for Ricardo arrival now!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 7, 2014 22:48:49 GMT 1
Whilst I would agree the article and pricing appears confusing and poorly put together, do you honestly think any club who is going to increase it's prices should be expected to, and would, run it past it's supporters parliament....... If they do not talk to the supporters parliament about ticketing prices and initiatives and the new kit for this season then what exactly, on God's sweet earth, is a supporter's parliament for? Making busy people run off and prove statistically that everyone hates a logo that everyone hates is just wasting everyone's time. Have a real issue to discuss and change and the SP are sidelined. It happened with the legends card. It happened with the away shirt. And I would wager it has happened here.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 7, 2014 22:50:44 GMT 1
The thing is, a club such as ours has predominantly a fixed pool of support to attract , the numbers attracted from that pool will fluctuate from time to time for any given reason, this decision may or may not impact upon that. What it will definitely impact upon, possibly quite seriously, is our ability to attract new support or casual support and that is to be greatly regretted. Pretty damn poor opening shot from our new off field team. Can't argue with that. Also, I've refused to go away on principal at the high prices charged by clubs.
Just when it was going so well...........**** me gently.
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Post by ferkle94 on Jul 7, 2014 22:55:29 GMT 1
No student price is odd. Usually grouped with senior price isn't it? Hopefully that's rectified. Why should students get a discount? IMO they should pay the same as everyone else Surely if you're saying that then you believe that OAPs shouldn't get a discount either? Both sets of people generally struggling for money. Also pretty much every other club does a student rate! And it has now been changed so there is a student price. Happy days!
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jul 7, 2014 22:56:37 GMT 1
Why can you get an under 18 ticket in category a places and not category b . This all just seems to complicated to me! I expect armrests on my seats for these prices ! The price has gone up , we're in a lower league , there will be more bird guano on the seats , and they will be a little less blue . Not happy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 22:56:55 GMT 1
Whilst I would agree the article and pricing appears confusing and poorly put together, do you honestly think any club who is going to increase it's prices should be expected to, and would, run it past it's supporters parliament....... If they do not talk to the supporters parliament about ticketing prices and initiatives and the new kit for this season then what exactly, on God's sweet earth, is a supporter's parliament for? Making busy people run off and prove statistically that everyone hates a logo that everyone hates is just wasting everyone's time. Have a real issue to discuss and change and the SP are sidelined. It happened with the legends card. It happened with the away shirt. And I would wager it has happened here. That's my point .....
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 7, 2014 22:58:55 GMT 1
"our excellent signings have cost a lot and we hope you understand that needs to be paid for" would have just about surfed the wave of optimism and at least been honest.
I just yearn for the day our off field activities can subsidise the playing side...
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Post by mattmw on Jul 7, 2014 23:01:42 GMT 1
Whilst I would agree the article and pricing appears confusing and poorly put together, do you honestly think any club who is going to increase it's prices should be expected to, and would, run it past it's supporters parliament....... If they do not talk to the supporters parliament about ticketing prices and initiatives and the new kit for this season then what exactly, on God's sweet earth, is a supporter's parliament for? Making busy people run off and prove statistically that everyone hates a logo that everyone hates is just wasting everyone's time. Have a real issue to discuss and change and the SP are sidelined. It happened with the legends card. It happened with the away shirt. And I would wager it has happened here. Excellent post. For their to be real trust between club and fans the Supporters Parliament has to be given real influence on the real issues. So far it looks like they have been involved in the minor issues that in all honesty don't make a big difference to the club, but are kept at arms length from the decision. There is a saying in marketing - keep it simple stupid. Where our ticketing is concerned it seems we have the mantra keep it as confusing as possible.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 7, 2014 23:11:00 GMT 1
It is just all so self defeating.
I know it's a new broom but there were things the supporters have been promised that you can't just ignore.
No more stupid membership cards because we now have loyalty points was one of them.
Having to pay more on the day to prevent queuing, the safety group made us charge £2 extra, remember that one?
It makes several of the previous statements look very doubtful indeed. and the fact incomplete information has been published just suggests it was rushed through. Show that to a fan and they would have said "what about students"
We don't bite and we aren't thick, you can run stuff past us and we will help shape it positively.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 7, 2014 23:20:17 GMT 1
£23 for a single game is way, way OTT. Even if it not a lot more, it feels like a lot more. I could take my family of 4 to the cinema for £4 more.
If I want quality football I can watch Wolves for £23 as an adult.
If I want live football I can watch Telford in the division below for £13.
If I want to watch premiership football I can see Baggies or Stoke for £25.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 7, 2014 23:24:06 GMT 1
Isn't a season ticket at Dortmund like 90 quid?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 6:29:18 GMT 1
Blimey throb I would not even pay less to watch Wolves over Shrewsbury regardless of the league they play in because Shrewsbury is who I support.
The loser is the occasional one off attendee
The reason games are cheaper in Germany is that Sponsors for matches pay a great deal more. My cousins company paid over 50,000 € to sponsor a Hertha match.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jul 8, 2014 6:49:08 GMT 1
Blimey throb I would not even pay less to watch Wolves over Shrewsbury regardless of the league they play in because Shrewsbury is who I support. Obviously he's not suggesting anyone would or should go and watch any of those other teams, rather he's just making the value comparison. £23 to watch Shrewsbury in L2 is taking the p**s big time.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 8, 2014 6:56:19 GMT 1
Blimey throb I would not even pay less to watch Wolves over Shrewsbury regardless of the league they play in because Shrewsbury is who I support. The loser is the occasional one off attendee The reason games are cheaper in Germany is that Sponsors for matches pay a great deal more. My cousins company paid over 50,000 € to sponsor a Hertha match. I don't think Throb is referring to you though or other dyed in the wool Town fans. As they will no doubt have a season ticket or take advantage of the 5'er ticket. He is referring to the areas casual supporters who might be looking for a game to watch on a Saturday. Given the choice of paying 23 notes to watch 4th division football in a stadium void of atmosphere or 23 notes to watch 2nd division football in a stadium with a bit of life it's not much of a contest. True that the loser is the occasional one off attendee but we really should be hoping that no one is losing out because it all adds up in the end. Its support and money lost if people are put off from attending. And a club like Town doesn't want to be losing anyone to another club. We need all the fans we can get. We need them at the Meadow not heading off down the M54 to wherever. None so blind as those who cannot see...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 6:58:09 GMT 1
I agree it is a lot , in general watching football is expensive in this country anyway and without looking at the other league 2 prices I would think all clubs prices are similar with the exception of those that have terracing
Where I think Shrewsbury will stand out is having to purchase membership card.
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Post by atcham jack on Jul 8, 2014 7:06:10 GMT 1
a lot depends on what the benefits of the £5 membership fee covers. if it just provides a discounted entrance fee, it is a rip off but if it gave say a small discount off club shop items it would be better. i will still go in october and would not mind having a membership card if someone at the club would highlight the benefit/s of it.
i must say this pre season has been a joy to behold, watching the clubs root and branch, all possibly tarnished by this dictum which may put occasional visitors and their guests off from supporting the club. if the club are not careful they may see gates around 4k/4 and a half k. i urge CEO to make an urgent review of a blott on our landscape.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 7:11:03 GMT 1
Blimey throb I would not even pay less to watch Wolves over Shrewsbury regardless of the league they play in because Shrewsbury is who I support. The loser is the occasional one off attendee The reason games are cheaper in Germany is that Sponsors for matches pay a great deal more. My cousins company paid over 50,000 € to sponsor a Hertha match. I don't think Throb is referring to you though or other dyed in the wool Town fans. As they will no doubt have a season ticket or take advantage of the 5'er ticket. He is referring to the areas casual supporters who might be looking for a game to watch on a Saturday. Given the choice of paying 23 notes to watch 4th division football in a stadium void of atmosphere or 23 notes to watch 2nd division football in a stadium with a bit of life it's not much of a contest. True that the loser is the occasional one off attendee but we really should be hoping that no one is losing out because it all adds up in the end. Its support and money lost if people are put off from attending. And a club like Town doesn't want to be losing anyone to another club. We need all the fans we can get. We need them at the Meadow not heading off down the M54 to wherever. None so blind as those who cannot see... I did say earlier I think the increase is high in my opinion so in the most agree just playing the devils advocat card Don't forget to add the cost travelling to Wolves if you are going from Shrewsbury area
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 8, 2014 7:30:26 GMT 1
I don't think Throb is referring to you though or other dyed in the wool Town fans. As they will no doubt have a season ticket or take advantage of the 5'er ticket. He is referring to the areas casual supporters who might be looking for a game to watch on a Saturday. Given the choice of paying 23 notes to watch 4th division football in a stadium void of atmosphere or 23 notes to watch 2nd division football in a stadium with a bit of life it's not much of a contest. True that the loser is the occasional one off attendee but we really should be hoping that no one is losing out because it all adds up in the end. Its support and money lost if people are put off from attending. And a club like Town doesn't want to be losing anyone to another club. We need all the fans we can get. We need them at the Meadow not heading off down the M54 to wherever. None so blind as those who cannot see... I did say earlier I think the increase is high in my opinion so in the most agree just playing the devils advocat card Don't forget to add the cost travelling to Wolves if you are going from Shrewsbury area I understand where you are coming from with that last sentence but does it work like that? I'm not so sure. People still want to get value for money. No one likes to be on the receiving end where you feel you're being fleeced (perhaps not the best term to use but no other comes to mind). So even though you may be spending more to travel to another venue if you think you are getting value for your money I think people are more likely to take that option. When people weigh up the options I have no doubt they will head where they feel they are getting value for their money rather than just what comes out cheapest. First thing folk might think is "23 notes for the 4th tier, sod that for a game of football" and look elsewhere. Time will tell of course. Perhaps those who don't go so often won't mind spending more when they do. But I fear they might start looking elsewhere.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 8, 2014 7:40:57 GMT 1
The idea that everyone who watches Shrewsbury is a twenty game a season fan is clearly flawed.
25000 went to Wembley but we only see 5000 on a Saturday.
Of course I'm not suggesting Wolves is a viable alternative. But for a casual local football fan looking for a live fix...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 7:54:36 GMT 1
As a consequence of this price increase I'll end up watching Town more on the road than I will at home next season. The club will therefore get my vocal support but more of my £££ will now end up in the coffers of other league clubs rather than my own.
A near enough 10% increase on the cost of an on the day match ticket for what will now be basement league football on show at the GM?
We suffer a truly disappointing relegation and to add insult to injury we then have to pay more to watch 4th division football. Should the club at least not justify the reason(s)for this price rise or are they not that bothered about engaging with those supporters who cannot justify the cost of an annual season ticket?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 8, 2014 8:19:55 GMT 1
Just to add the SP were not consulted at any stage on this.
We have sent an urgent email to Matt asking many if the questions on this thread. He's had positive press so far, lots of it, so only right we present the fan base thoughts on this.
Now I have to get back to making 2300 inserts for the season tickets!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 8:37:39 GMT 1
A couple of other points on this:
For home fans, surely it would make even more sense to extend the deadline of season tickets because this pricing structure encourages people to buy season tickets even more. It hardly seems good business sense (or even ethical) to announce a matchday pricing increase once season ticket prices have shot up to their most expensive
And for away fans, Im assuming it will be simply £23 to turn up on the day and watch? If so, then turning up at an out of town ground which is identical to many others with with minimal parking and facilities nearby and having to pay £23 for the privilage, well I cant see lots rushing to do that.
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