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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 9, 2011 12:08:58 GMT 1
Thames Valley Police say outbreaks of "copycat" violence broke out in Oxford and Reading last night.
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Post by willsmith99 on Aug 9, 2011 12:11:11 GMT 1
WELL it will cost more money in the longrun as these riots and looting will spread like wildfire.it will cost this country millions. WHEre will it be tonight telford? wolverhampton?manchester?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 9, 2011 12:13:48 GMT 1
Intresting that over the course of the morning the BBC has had the headline
London Riots
Then
England Riots
And now recently just changed it to UK Riots!
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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2011 12:16:13 GMT 1
WELL it will cost more money in the longrun as these riots and looting will spread like wildfire.it will cost this country millions. WHEre will it be tonight telford? wolverhampton?manchester? Bradford, Oldham, Leeds, Sheffield, Ditherington, Manchester, Wolverhampton, Sheffield
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 9, 2011 12:19:29 GMT 1
Smashing up businesses and setting them on fire only counts as "sport" if you are in the Bullingdon Club.
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Post by mrmagoo on Aug 9, 2011 12:22:55 GMT 1
Cameron has jus annonced there will be 16,000 coppers out in London tonight up from the 6,000 there was last night. Question i would be asking if my property had been attacked last night is where we these extra 10,000 coppers last night! Working in their own force....
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Post by mrmagoo on Aug 9, 2011 12:28:12 GMT 1
I think this about sums it up, a line doing the rounds today Last night extra 1500 police on duty than normal For the Royal Wedding an extra 5000 police were on duty on Londons Streets. Its no wonder they were caught out last night. My thoughts... it will be places further out of London hit tonight as the looters move out of the city from the major police presnce to places where the police are deminished as they have sent people into the trouble spots... Who knows though... 1500 would be public order trained, doubt the 5000 for the wedding would be...
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Post by SESalopian on Aug 9, 2011 12:39:32 GMT 1
I now live in a Norbury, a suburb of London between croydon and Brixton, which last night got several shops (mostly pawn/money shops) done in. I went to pick my girlfriend up from work and we had the misfortune of walking back between the 2 waves of looters. My personal view of the people doing this is that they are not rioters, just opportunistic looters, with bats, sticks, etc. I'm not sure how there wasn't any police in the area last night, as it's just one long road between West Croydon and Stretham, so I know the police were really stretched last night, but I can think of a few areas where there could have been police lines. That said, just as people were getting into the computer shop opposite my flat, four chip vans sped up and got about 12 of the buggers. Norbury isn't necessarily the best area in the world, but again, it's not the worst, and but it was not nice last night.
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Post by albionshrew on Aug 9, 2011 13:01:16 GMT 1
"Chip vans"? Had they sold out of fish?
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Post by jamo on Aug 9, 2011 13:06:00 GMT 1
Smashing up businesses and setting them on fire only counts as "sport" if you are in the Bullingdon Club. see below.
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Post by SESalopian on Aug 9, 2011 13:08:00 GMT 1
"Chip vans"? Had they sold out of fish? Well spotted! Bloody predictive text! *cop vans!
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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2011 13:21:51 GMT 1
i see on the news several images of cash machines that have been pulled from the wall and raided
what odds that tonight there are hundreds of them attacked ?
too many ideas being put into peoples heads
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 13:25:25 GMT 1
It's difficult to express feelings on this sorry state of affairs. Absolutely sickened about what's going on. This isn't about youngsters sending a message to government. The severity and down-right thuggish behaviour has no political basis to it. This video on the BBC website sums it up for me. Youngster heavily bleeding is picked up only to have something stolen from his backpack: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456065Times are hard, we're living through a recession, people are frustrated. But there is absolutely no excuse for this level of violence.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 9, 2011 13:40:58 GMT 1
People asking why there weren't enough police in london? they can't be everywhere and it does seem to be everywhere! And this at a time when the government have been trying to cut the numbers of the police and army.
and two of the most senior police officers resigned only a couple of weeks ago after media pressure following the phone hacking scandal.
also worth noting that all of our wonderful leaders were off on their holidays. why do all of them go?? surely there should be some left!
just hearing, 44,000 emergency calls to the police last night!
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Post by shrewsace on Aug 9, 2011 13:46:17 GMT 1
Dreadful scenes really. Just shows what a powder keg there is under the veneer of our society. And also just how much we need the uniformed services to keep us safe. Unless we're a black man in a Taxi that is. Think this post sums up my views, too. The Conservatives seem to be trying to shut down any debate by saying anyone blaming the cuts is excusing violence, vandalism and criminal behaviour. I think saying this is down to 'the cuts' is a bit simplistic, but the gap between the haves and have-nots in this country has grew under New Labour and now we have the Tories with their austerity programme probably ramping up those beneath-the-surface tensions a notch or two more. It seems it only needed an incident like this to light the blue touch paper. True, this isn't a 'political' protest, but there's a reason why people behave like this, even if they don't understand it themselves. None of that is to justify the appalling devastation we've seen over the last 48 hours or so. Quite ironic mind, that this has highlighted the vital role the emergency services play in our society. Where are all the 'nanny state' moaners now? Perhaps they're drawing up a plan on how to deal with boiling infernos while under attack from rioting youth 'more efficiently'? (Just read that number of police on the street to be trebled tonight. Surely they could provide a better, and more efficient service with less police? Send for the entrepreneurs, I say!)
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Post by SESalopian on Aug 9, 2011 13:52:50 GMT 1
It seems to me that people think that poverty is not being able to get the latest trainers or mobile phones rather than not being able to feed your family. This isn't a protest about not being able to improve oneself, it's a free shopping trip, based upon the lazy greed that a lot of people have instilled in them through their families and neighbours.
But that being said, it's proving that the cuts are too deep.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 9, 2011 13:59:55 GMT 1
We don't need news blackouts or jammed communications - we need to see the problem being dealt with firmly and fairly. Easy to say the police and/or army need to crack some heads and perhaps the time has come for water cannon and rubber bullets.
BUT these communities will need policing and rebuilding when the riots are over. Whatever actions are taken must have that long term need in mind, as well as the short term need to stamp out the looting and destruction. If we were to widen the hostility and create a sense of injustice, we'll create more long term problems than the short term ones we solve. The Met seem to be sensitive to this, which makes me hopeful it can be resolved without making things worse. That's not a call for a soft approach but I think it's a more realistic approach than the Judge Dredd fantasists.
It really would be a great help if there was some heavy rain. We never see riots here in the winter.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 9, 2011 14:01:37 GMT 1
It's difficult to express feelings on this sorry state of affairs. Absolutely sickened about what's going on. This isn't about youngsters sending a message to government. The severity and down-right thuggish behaviour has no political basis to it. This video on the BBC website sums it up for me. Youngster heavily bleeding is picked up only to have something stolen from his backpack: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456065Times are hard, we're living through a recession, people are frustrated. But there is absolutely no excuse for this level of violence. Said that man who works in the city and single handedly caused the global financial meltdown
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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2011 14:08:43 GMT 1
We don't need news blackouts or jammed communications - we need to see the problem being dealt with firmly and fairly. Easy to say the police and/or army need to crack some heads and perhaps the time has come for water cannon and rubber bullets. BUT these communities will need policing and rebuilding when the riots are over. Whatever actions are taken must have that long term need in mind, as well as the short term need to stamp out the looting and destruction. If we were to widen the hostility and create a sense of injustice, we'll create more long term problems than the short term ones we solve. The Met seem to be sensitive to this, which makes me hopeful it can be resolved without making things worse. That's not a call for a soft approach but I think it's a more realistic approach than the Judge Dredd fantasists. It really would be a great help if there was some heavy rain. We never see riots here in the winter. forget water canons and rubber bullets might as well hit them with handbags we need napalm and full metal jackets
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 9, 2011 14:12:33 GMT 1
James Walsh writes that in Camberwell, south London, staff at local organisations and businesses have sent people home and a fire has been spotted near a McDonald's restaurant. There is some looting, and some people are hiding out in a local hairdresser's.
Shops have been closed down in Kilburn High Road and staff sent home on police advice, Simon Rogers tells me. There were 20 arrests there last night, and two mobile phone shops were smashed up.
We are hearing that Hackney Council staff have been sent home and told to avoid London Fields.
In Ealing, shops are drawing down shutters amid fears of more violence and looting, Ian Sample writes.
Greenwich seems to have joined Hackney, Ealing and Camberwell on the list of possible targets for today. We gather shops there are being told to close following intelligence …(the Guardian)
Also seems like some stuff is kicking off on Mare Street again in Hackey (Lidi Attacked)
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Aug 9, 2011 14:19:34 GMT 1
There was a small amount of rioting in a run-down part of Nottingham last night. Tonight though might be more of a problem with Forest playing Notts County. There has been trouble at that fixture in the past and I can see it brewing over after the final whistle into a copycat riot.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 9, 2011 14:23:01 GMT 1
Some chap shot dead in Croydon last night. That’s another issue isn’t it, folk can now go about using all this chaos as a blanket in order to commit all sorts of crimes as the state is in such a flap. It’s just mob rule, lawlessness. Just can’t believe what I am seeing on the box...
Certainly please to hear the use of rubber bullets mooted anyhows. Sommat has to be done here as there doesn't seem to be any deterrent at the minute...
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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2011 14:34:47 GMT 1
There was a small amount of rioting in a run-down part of Nottingham last night. Tonight though might be more of a problem with Forest playing Notts County. There has been trouble at that fixture in the past and I can see it brewing over after the final whistle into a copycat riot. leeds v bradford tonight oops
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Post by dachshund on Aug 9, 2011 15:02:50 GMT 1
As far as I can see nothing is happening here yet today - just loads of false rumours.
My street in Clapham Junction was a warzone last night, but nothing left to steal now
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 15:25:17 GMT 1
It's difficult to express feelings on this sorry state of affairs. Absolutely sickened about what's going on. This isn't about youngsters sending a message to government. The severity and down-right thuggish behaviour has no political basis to it. This video on the BBC website sums it up for me. Youngster heavily bleeding is picked up only to have something stolen from his backpack: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456065Times are hard, we're living through a recession, people are frustrated. But there is absolutely no excuse for this level of violence. i agree with Phil. Dont see this as being in the least bit a political issue (much as i would like to beat the government with this stick). This isnt about getting a message across, what is the message? havent seen a single plackard or banner yet. Havent heard one spokesman making demands. Im sure plenty on here will disagree, but i think this is just a bunch of yobs having a good time of it. get the army on the streets with rubber bullets, water cannon or whatever else it takes to get these thugs back in line. no excuse for this kind of disorder, pure thuggery and instead of watching the arse oles the police or someone should sort them out.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 9, 2011 15:29:28 GMT 1
ASDA in Wolverhampton has closed.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 9, 2011 15:51:40 GMT 1
It's difficult to express feelings on this sorry state of affairs. Absolutely sickened about what's going on. This isn't about youngsters sending a message to government. The severity and down-right thuggish behaviour has no political basis to it. This video on the BBC website sums it up for me. Youngster heavily bleeding is picked up only to have something stolen from his backpack: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456065Times are hard, we're living through a recession, people are frustrated. But there is absolutely no excuse for this level of violence. i agree with Phil. Dont see this as being in the least bit a political issue (much as i would like to beat the government with this stick). This isnt about getting a message across, what is the message? havent seen a single plackard or banner yet. Havent heard one spokesman making demands. Im sure plenty on here will disagree, but i think this is just a bunch of yobs having a good time of it. get the army on the streets with rubber bullets, water cannon or whatever else it takes to get these thugs back in line. no excuse for this kind of disorder, pure thuggery and instead of watching the arse oles the police or someone should sort them out. No, I think most would agree with you. The first disturbances may well have been related to the shooting last week of that chap in London (loosely related at that). But since then it’s just people seeing the response of the police to the initial rioting and realizing that they simply were unable to cope and manage the situation. From that they have realised that there isn’t a better time to go out looting and cause damage. The amount of eyewitnesses who have reported seeing looting etc but with no police in sight or police being present but not willing to stop the rioting is a real concern. You feel it will continue to snowball until the police really show a strong hand and get on top of this otherwise you fear it will continue until there is nothing more to steal. A fair few arrests made yesterday according to the BBC, let’s hope that news may have a positive effect and make one or two think twice…
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 15:58:35 GMT 1
[ A fair few arrests made yesterday according to the BBC, let’s hope that news may have a positive effect and make one or two think twice… agree, but i think a lot depends what happens to those arrested. I mean, lets be honest, using phrases like "full force of the law" are quite comical really, i would be willing to wager that most of those arrested will get away with being bound over, or community service, or a conditional discharge, £100 fine (that gets paid back at 50p per week). Your right in your implication that there really is little consequence for the rioters and the situation is being made worse because the rioters damn well know it.
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Post by Fingers on Aug 9, 2011 16:00:48 GMT 1
Stratford is now on riot warning.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Aug 9, 2011 16:04:57 GMT 1
The news seems really slow to pick up on anything outside of London
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