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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2011 23:18:51 GMT 1
And please do not put it down to a lack of social/employment opportunities for the youth of our country. So, you think if they were well educated and affluent they would'nt steal or cause social uproar? Does M.P,s Expenses Scandal ring a friggin big bell?
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 8, 2011 23:19:54 GMT 1
Anyone seen Nick Griffins tweets?!
What a !
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Post by aldo on Aug 8, 2011 23:32:30 GMT 1
And please do not put it down to a lack of social/employment opportunities for the youth of our country. So, you think if they were well educated and affluent they would'nt steal or cause social uproar? Does M.P,s Expenses Scandal ring a friggin big bell? so you are saying that the example set by their better educated mp's has something to do with it? ;D probably not but to be fair it's a totally different situation, even the supposedly well educated can be corrupted by power. And to be honest, well off , educated people can turn out bad and make a much bigger hole in the public purse. In a way the two are similar, they have both been left alone with no proper supervision or proper moral code for far too long.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2011 23:37:26 GMT 1
So, you think if they were well educated and affluent they would'nt steal or cause social uproar? Does M.P,s Expenses Scandal ring a friggin big bell? so you are saying that the example set by their better educated mp's has something to do with it? ;D In a way the two are similar, they have both been left alone with no proper supervision or proper moral code for far too long. Can't disagree with that mate.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 8, 2011 23:55:21 GMT 1
Dreadful scenes really.
Just shows what a powder keg there is under the veneer of our society.
And also just how much we need the uniformed services to keep us safe.
Unless we're a black man in a Taxi that is.
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Aug 9, 2011 0:02:33 GMT 1
All London footy matches postponed.
looting by black youths grows to many areas of london and birmingham
black youths stopped by muslims and turks in some areas by what is effectively martial law (baseball bats etc)
I despair of what this country is becoming - where are the police/army?
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Post by grinfish on Aug 9, 2011 0:11:01 GMT 1
I despair of what this country is becoming - where are the police/army?
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Post by venceremos on Aug 9, 2011 0:15:57 GMT 1
I haven't followed this closely but it seems more like criminality than social/political protest. And I don't buy the "hard times" argument for a second. In real hard times, food shops would be looted, not jewellers and electrical stores. Agree with the former but the latter is very naive - someone on the breadline is more likely to loot a £1000 ring and sell it for £200, which buys £200 of groceries at a later date - try carrying £200 of groceries from a looted shop! Of course a looter is more likely to go for a jewellers. If you were genuinely going hungry you wouldn't steal jewellery and p*** about trying to sell it - you'd steal to eat first. Of course that's not happening because these looters aren't on the breadline, they're just thieving. Don't see what's naive about that.
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Post by timgallon on Aug 9, 2011 0:16:30 GMT 1
Seems to be spreading all over London now. The place is effectively lawless at the moment. Major repercussions for the Police and Government on the back of this.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 9, 2011 0:21:07 GMT 1
Anyone seen Nick Griffins tweets?! What a ! He wouldn't be criticising any of those non-white people who are always welcome to join his merry non-racist party, would he?
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Aug 9, 2011 0:21:19 GMT 1
Agree with the former but the latter is very naive - someone on the breadline is more likely to loot a £1000 ring and sell it for £200, which buys £200 of groceries at a later date - try carrying £200 of groceries from a looted shop! Of course a looter is more likely to go for a jewellers. If you were genuinely going hungry you wouldn't steal jewellery and p*** about trying to sell it - you'd steal to eat first. Of course that's not happening because these looters aren't on the breadline, they're just thieving. Don't see what's naive about that. Because a looter in london won't be looting to eat - not rocket science is it?
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Post by venceremos on Aug 9, 2011 0:26:57 GMT 1
Of course a looter is more likely to go for a jewellers. If you were genuinely going hungry you wouldn't steal jewellery and p*** about trying to sell it - you'd steal to eat first. Of course that's not happening because these looters aren't on the breadline, they're just thieving. Don't see what's naive about that. Because a looter in london won't be looting to eat - not rocket science is it? Nor is it brain surgery. That's exactly the point I've been making. What you so long?
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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2011 0:34:37 GMT 1
I despair of what this country is becoming - where are the police/army? i think someone has looted our jobcentre and taken all the jobs
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 9, 2011 0:35:09 GMT 1
I despair of what this country is becoming - where are the police/army? Yeah I was going to say, our clever government has only just last week i think announced that the army will be cut and police have also had to announce job cuts. And then of course a large number of the army are in other countries. Also though the PM, the home secretary and the mayor all off on holiday at the same time, and in addition it was only 2 / 3 weeks ago than two of the most senior police officers in this country felt they had to resign over the phone hacking scandal. In many ways it's the worst possible time for this all to kick off.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 9, 2011 0:43:53 GMT 1
Nor is it brain surgery. That's exactly the point I've been making. What you so long? you were the twunt that suggested an impoverished person would loot to eat. That's right. I was making a contrast between a genuinely impoverished person (who might loot to eat) and the looters in London (who aren't doing that, because they don't need to, because they're not impoverished and hence they're looting for personal profit). So the looting has nothing to do with any real economic hardship. It's late, can we take this as read now?
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Post by grinfish on Aug 9, 2011 0:50:20 GMT 1
If things carry on like this, COBRA may have to resort to the last-ditch option. Say what you want about her history and methods, but you're guaranteed a result. p.s. my apologies to SCC if Mr James just smashed a monitor.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2011 0:51:48 GMT 1
had this police shooting happened in a far east country and there been a bit of a riot after all those concerned would have been dealt with by now
it would not have been all over the news giving others the idea
its wouldn't have been on the internet
and we would still be thinking they are miles behind us as a civilised race
as for us, we spend more money on repairing damage that we do on preventing it
take a leaf out of their books
news blackout bring in the army make them go away
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Post by lionshrew on Aug 9, 2011 1:00:10 GMT 1
Riots have now broke out in Liverpool.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2011 1:07:30 GMT 1
Riots have now broke out in Liverpool. hope all the antiques are safe at anfield
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Post by grinfish on Aug 9, 2011 1:08:48 GMT 1
I've sussed it. HM Treasury needs to put a good few million behind the bar nationwide, and turn a blind eye to lock-ins. Next morning, Plod go in, whack everyone over the head whilst they're hungover. Job Done. I look forward to your votes in the next election
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Post by venceremos on Aug 9, 2011 1:09:34 GMT 1
grinfish - I'm not gonna reproduce that terrifying picture and shame on you for frightening us like that in the middle of the night. Anyway, my point is that these riots don't yet seem as bad as those of the 1980s when our leader was ....... oh yes, you were guaranteed a result all right!
Why's it always happen when the Tories (the self-proclaimed party of "law and order") are in power? Strange that.
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Post by WorcesterShrew on Aug 9, 2011 1:14:35 GMT 1
Hearing now that a police station in Birmingham is on fire. It's time these jokers were stopped. This is a disgrace. It's ridiculous, police clearly aren't coping so at very least arm them or, get the army in. Tell them to move, if they don't use force, shoot them, they will soon go.
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Post by grinfish on Aug 9, 2011 1:22:36 GMT 1
Why's it always happen when the Tories (the self-proclaimed party of "law and order") are in power? Strange that. Perhaps because the Tories don't buy The Great Unwashed off at the cost of national debt? You can't choke off people's standard of living without the threat of tyrannical enforcement to stop them getting out of control en masse. Just like New Labour weren't very good at being Labour, these New Tories aren't very good at being Tories. My apologies for any distress caused by the picture, but I think it made my point. Someone somewhere needs to be prepared to be unpopular to put the stopper back in this bottle, and it seems our government is to be found wanting.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2011 1:23:44 GMT 1
i think its time to force a vigilante group to prevent this happening in shrewsbury we could call it the home guard dont panic
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 2:06:08 GMT 1
In a bit of shock.
For the record I live just up the road from Camden, all the cars on our residential street have been moved, we've herd groups of kids roaming around (housemate witnessed a group of kids smashing up a police windscreen yesterday afternoon about 5 minutes away) A shop not too far away has been done over.
Friends in Clapham have had shops ripped through and manshed on their street with cars set ablaze.
Most of the pubs in islington closed, and Argos is shepherds bush being looted.
Its organised, but random at the same time.
Don't think there is one overriding thing responsible for what is happening.
**** knows where all the police are?! People are being opportunistic and just nicking what they can, they sense weakness and chaos in the states response and are just forging ahead, You've seen the scenes, unthinkable scenes where police are being harrassed, assaulted and bare witness to crimes as they are being committed yet are standing back.
Suspect this will get worse before it improves.
A real shame and so ****ing sad.
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Post by bertymax on Aug 9, 2011 7:16:57 GMT 1
Grinfish... Yr right. COBRA must call on Maggie Thatcher, after all she is still a cold blooded reptile.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 9, 2011 7:35:45 GMT 1
Anyone seen Nick Griffins tweets?! What a ! I suspect he and his party will come out well from all this. Granted its only a minority but all folk will be seeing is groups of largely black and Asians gangs rioting, looting and running amok. Just going to cause more anger, suspicion and division all this...
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Post by El Presidente on Aug 9, 2011 7:53:00 GMT 1
unthinkable scenes where police are being harrassed, assaulted and bare witness to crimes as they are being committed yet are standing back. The uniform does not make them indesctructible... From the BBC - Three people were arrested on Tuesday on suspicion of attempted murder after a police officer was injured by a car in Brent, north west London, while trying to stop suspected looters
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Post by mrbunny on Aug 9, 2011 7:56:50 GMT 1
Bring the army in and crack a few skulls, news blackout for a couple of days and it'll hopefully stop.
You do wonder where next?
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Aug 9, 2011 8:32:30 GMT 1
Never heard such b******s for ages, there is no way you can justify thius gang culture!!unemployment- poverty........... its everywhere, this is just mindless violence and criminal activity........... the squeeze is on and these people are at the bottom of the chain, they've seen bankers policemen politicians business et al loot the country maybe they think they are getting they're tiny share? Its all very sad but quite predictable , we've produced a group of people who have so little hope that this , short term grab is a genuine opportunity , how desolate. glad i live in shropshire! Aldo how did you lump the police in with bankers and politicians looting the country!(Financially i assume you mean) Its the old bill who are facing this wave of violence and the fact its spreading to Birmingham etc where more excuse to steal and rob takes place. This now has nothing to do with grabbing a tiny share but a ruthless opportunity to steal..
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