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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 7, 2011 9:01:02 GMT 1
Don't recall any fuss about that Redknapp interview which would be a surprise. First time I have seen it or heard of it here. Are we sure that went out live or?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 7, 2011 10:34:42 GMT 1
Don't recall any fuss about that Redknapp interview which would be a surprise. First time I have seen it or heard of it here. Are we sure that went out live or? the bit where Richard keys apologises for the language is the clue
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Post by Pilch on Apr 7, 2011 11:12:02 GMT 1
I don't see the relevance. the relevance is harry redknapp has spoke publically about rooney swearing saying he's a silly boy and deserves a ban (which i linked to) the fact is some of us on here have labelled rooney an uneducated thug after his swearing and yet if you see my other 2 links they show redknapp swearing live on tv or during interviews nothing was done or said about it i asked if that makes redknapp an uneducated thug too or should i say an hyprocitical uneducated thug there wasnt actually much response to my mentioning of harry really, just goes to show, it only matters if its rooney
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 7, 2011 11:23:06 GMT 1
I only saw the first clip Pilch. Will check the second...
Well its a two game ban anyhow, that's been upheld. Yet Rooney still goes on about not being the first or last player to be caught swearing on camera. He is still missing the point. Its not as if he was inadvertently caught swearing, he directed his swearing directly at the camera. That's the issue and that always been the issue, not just the swearing but the delivery. If he can't see the difference then there is no hope for the lad...
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Post by MarkRowley on Apr 7, 2011 11:35:33 GMT 1
I see that Pilch's unofficial role as Man Utd's "Alastair Campbell" continues unabated Perhaps Harry was just following Sir Alex's example from a season or 2 earlier which is a link off the Harry clip you posted Rooney's 2 game ban now confirmed after appeal rejected. Leaving aside the usual one eyed views that this has only happened because it is a Man U player, anyone who did this in the top flight a couple of days after the FA reinforced the need for the Respect campaign to be followed was always going to cop for punishment. Player behaviour for the past decade or more has continued to deteriorate as more & more money is thrown at them by their clubs, the PFA continues to condone poor behaviour and the clubs have done nothing about it. Some managers will be honest & decent enough to say when their player has acted inappropriately, others would not say anything if one of their players machine gunned down the entire opposition team Football is a game of the working classes, industrial language is sadly an ingrained part of the game as nothing has been done about this for decades, so it won't suddenly become like rugby where a player challenging a decision will politely ask the ref to explain it and call him sir. That said, the refs should not have to put up with aggressive thuggish approaches from players or expletive filled dissent. The only way around this is for the FA and PFA to have the balls to back the refs to book & send off anyone who is a miscreant in this area - there will be a few weeks of record dismissals but the clubs will then be forced into setting their own standards for player behaviour as a self protection mechanism
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Post by Pilch on Apr 7, 2011 11:45:05 GMT 1
I only saw the first clip Pilch. Will check the second... Well its a two game ban anyhow, that's been upheld. Yet Rooney still goes on about not being the first or last player to be caught swearing on camera. He is still missing the point. Its not as if he was inadvertently caught swearing, he directed his swearing directly at the camera. That's the issue and that always been the issue, not just the swearing but the delivery. If he can't see the difference then there is no hope for the lad... btw, a camera is device for recording visual images i think the majority of cameras use external mics dotted around the pitch, yes players should know which is which but obviously some don't i totally agree with your point but players swear at every game managers swear at every game fans swear at every game always have done, always will i bet when rooney scored saturday there were millions swearing at him but rooney does it and its "quick hang him"
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Post by Pilch on Apr 7, 2011 11:46:33 GMT 1
I see that Pilch's unofficial role as Man Utd's "Alastair Campbell" continues unabated Perhaps Harry was just following Sir Alex's example from a season or 2 earlier which is a link off the Harry clip you posted Rooney's 2 game ban now confirmed after appeal rejected. Leaving aside the usual one eyed views that this has only happened because it is a Man U player, anyone who did this in the top flight a couple of days after the FA reinforced the need for the Respect campaign to be followed was always going to cop for punishment. Player behaviour for the past decade or more has continued to deteriorate as more & more money is thrown at them by their clubs, the PFA continues to condone poor behaviour and the clubs have done nothing about it. Some managers will be honest & decent enough to say when their player has acted inappropriately, others would not say anything if one of their players machine gunned down the entire opposition team football is a game of the working classes, industrial language is sadly an ingrained part of the game as nothing has been done about this for decades, so it won't suddenly become like rugby where a player challenging a decision will politely ask the ref to explain it and call him sir. That said, the refs should not have to put up with aggressive thuggish approaches from players or expletive filled dissent. The only way around this is for the FA and PFA to have the balls to back the refs to book & send off anyone who is a miscreant in this area - there will be a few weeks of record dismissals but the clubs will then be forced into setting their own standards for player behaviour as a self protection mechanism and who are you ? the leader of the opposition ? ;-)
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Post by grinfish on Apr 7, 2011 13:13:01 GMT 1
So I take it the extra game ban extension only applies if you appeal the actual crime, not the sentence then?
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Post by shrewder on Apr 7, 2011 19:17:17 GMT 1
The problem is he does not have the intellegence to realise that what he did was wrong. He has been brought up in an environment where swearing is the norm and considered the right thing to do. It is right to give him a two natch ban and then perhaps it will make him realise that swearing at a TV camera is just not acceptable. Although in reality I doubt he will ever learn.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Apr 7, 2011 19:28:27 GMT 1
As a non Prem fan I cannot believe how people defend the thug Rooney...and of course the gobs**te Ferguson.
I absolutely adore Arsenal and think Mr Wenger who in my opinion is the greatest English manager of all time and all his wonderful players set a shining example which Mr Ferguson and his illiterate inbreds would do well to follow.
Hope this helps.
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Post by shrewder on Apr 7, 2011 19:36:44 GMT 1
WindsorShrew - Well said, agree 100%
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 19:48:37 GMT 1
As a non Prem fan I cannot believe how people defend the thug Rooney...and of course the gobs**te Ferguson. I absolutely adore Arsenal and think Mr Wenger who in my opinion is the greatest English manager of all time and all his wonderful players set a shining example which Mr Ferguson and his illiterate inbreds would do well to follow. Hope this helps. This post goes down as the biggest piece of horses**te i have ever had the misfortune to read. We all know the greatest ENGLISH manager of all time was, of course, BILL NICHOLSON.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Apr 7, 2011 20:29:06 GMT 1
This post goes down as the biggest piece of horses**te i have ever had the misfortune to read. Then my friend you have ignored every single thread Matron and Jamo have ever posted on......now thats what I call horse5hit !
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Post by scottishshrew on Apr 7, 2011 20:38:00 GMT 1
I don't see the relevance. the relevance is harry redknapp has spoke publically about rooney swearing saying he's a silly boy and deserves a ban (which i linked to) the fact is some of us on here have labelled rooney an uneducated thug after his swearing and yet if you see my other 2 links they show redknapp swearing live on tv or during interviews nothing was done or said about it i asked if that makes redknapp an uneducated thug too or should i say an hyprocitical uneducated thug there wasnt actually much response to my mentioning of harry really, just goes to show, it only matters if its rooney It doesn't only matter if it's Rooney, I think Redknapp should be punished too, and he is a gigantic hypocrite... but people could produce dozens of clips of other people in football swearing, it doesn't change the underlying issue behind this thread. Swearing shouldn't be allowed in football. Education is entirely irrelevant.
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Post by Amsterdammer on Apr 7, 2011 20:48:17 GMT 1
What's the ban going to be on B&A for swearing? Mary Whitehouse finally being listened to I see.
LOL at the Wenger comments - how many red cards did they have in that season a few years ago? Also that thug Keown and his school bully routine on van Nistelrooy.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 7, 2011 20:53:15 GMT 1
Everyone in football is massive hypocrites and the sooner people realise this the better.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 7, 2011 20:57:26 GMT 1
Everyone in football is massive hypocrites and the sooner people realise this the better. you speak for yourself
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 7, 2011 20:59:51 GMT 1
Everyone in football is massive hypocrites and the sooner people realise this the better. you speak for yourself Meanwhile Pilch harps on about Harry Redknapp being a hypocrite, whilst Sir Alex Ferguson strangly enough decides not to talk about officials decisions, unlike the last trip to Stamford Bridge, and much like their last trip to Wigan.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 21:02:16 GMT 1
This is B & A where in the past posters have said that if they want to swear at football matches they will do so regardless of who is stood close to them so have to presume they are just as thick as they claim Rooney is. This is B & A where some posters use the swear filter on a regular basis, a facility that doesn't really hide anything, could not the same people who have been upset this time be reading the board. I remember Alan Shearer saying whils't he was still playing that footballs used a great deal of "industrial language" so what has changed. You will see ( and often hear) players using the same word on the pitch almost every match you watch and not a murmur is heard, you will hear the same word on TV and the audience roaring with laughter, thousands buy DVDs using this word and other ripe language but this is different, and what has the way a person looks got to do with this particular case. I in no way condone the stupid action in this case but fully expect that if all are to be treated equal many clubs will be unable to raise a team when all their suspensions for swearing kick in, and before anyone says what about the kids watching are these not the same kids that hear this type of language both from players and spectators (and many other situations) every time they attend a match. Before getting too hypocritical ask yourself how many times a day/week do I use that same word. Well said...it's ok having this 'respect' initiative but it doesn't just start and end with Wayne Rooney...whatever people think of him is irrelevant, he shouldn't be singled out just because of who he is.
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Post by Fingers on Apr 7, 2011 21:10:08 GMT 1
Rooney scared me after his swearing outburst.
I'm not sure I could handle a full 90 minutes right now.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 7, 2011 21:14:13 GMT 1
you speak for yourself Meanwhile Pilch harps on about Harry Redknapp being a hypocrite, whilst Sir Alex Ferguson strangly enough decides not to talk about officials decisions, unlike the last trip to Stamford Bridge, and much like their last trip to Wigan. unlike you to speak without thinking not fergie damned if he does damned if he doesnt
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 7, 2011 21:22:40 GMT 1
Pilch, I see that you think if Nani had followed your advice, he would have " decked" Carrager. Not the wisest piece of advice, as there would probably only be one winner, and I suspect it would not be Nani.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Apr 7, 2011 21:31:51 GMT 1
The reason Rooney has been 'picked on' and only Rooney is because he did it to a camera live, just days after the Premier league chief had said they would be getting harsh on players and managers who showed a lack of respect. Had anyone else in the premier league done similar last weekend they would also have been done
And bringing up videos of Redknapp from over 3 years ago as a defence really isn't quite the same as that wasn't straight after the warning!
Now if the same happened this forthcoming weekend, then fair enough Redknapp should get a ban.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 7, 2011 21:43:51 GMT 1
Pilch, I see that you think if Nani had followed your advice, he would have " decked" Carrager. Not the wisest piece of advice, as there would probably only be one winner, and I suspect it would not be Nani. i was speaking for myself really, its what i might have done had that happened to me,( or at least would have tried ;D) when you've been on the end of a bad injury the last person you want to see is the ****** that caused it, especially when you also lost and he's standing there thinking holding out his hand will make you feel better and forget about it maybe had he turned up at his home the day after you might think he actually was a little sorry the whole saga of caught on camera pathetic the ref misses it the fa can act how stupid would it be had rooney got booked for swearing which you cant do, its a red card does this now mean every time a ref hears swearing he issues a red card ? i remember malcolm loverage trying this on a sat afternoons & sunday mornings a player cursing his own bad luck saw a red card, £25 fine & 5 week ban biggest farce since the back pass rule
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Post by Pilch on Apr 7, 2011 21:45:37 GMT 1
The reason Rooney has been 'picked on' and only Rooney is because he did it to a camera live, just days after the Premier league chief had said they would be getting harsh on players and managers who showed a lack of respect. Had anyone else in the premier league done similar last weekend they would also have been done And bringing up videos of Redknapp from over 3 years ago as a defence really isn't quite the same as that wasn't straight after the warning! Now if the same happened this forthcoming weekend, then fair enough Redknapp should get a ban. i didnt suggest redknapp should be banned i said he was a hypocrite and asked if he was an uneducated thug ?
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Post by scottishshrew on Apr 7, 2011 21:59:33 GMT 1
does this now mean every time a ref hears swearing he issues a red card ? Would soon cut it out though, wouldn't it? If they announced the rule and said it would be enforced in X weeks time, or at the start of next season or something, then the players couldn't blame anyone but themselves.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 7, 2011 22:22:58 GMT 1
does this now mean every time a ref hears swearing he issues a red card ? Would soon cut it out though, wouldn't it? If they announced the rule and said it would be enforced in X weeks time, or at the start of next season or something, then the players couldn't blame anyone but themselves. the red card for foul & abusive language was introduced in 1981
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Post by siabod on Apr 7, 2011 22:29:44 GMT 1
As a non Prem fan I cannot believe how people defend the thug Rooney...and of course the gobs**te Ferguson. I absolutely adore Arsenal and think Mr Wenger who in my opinion is the greatest English manager of all time and all his wonderful players set a shining example which Mr Ferguson and his illiterate inbreds would do well to follow. Hope this helps. Great English manager ?
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Post by scottishshrew on Apr 7, 2011 22:53:22 GMT 1
Would soon cut it out though, wouldn't it? If they announced the rule and said it would be enforced in X weeks time, or at the start of next season or something, then the players couldn't blame anyone but themselves. the red card for foul & abusive language was introduced in 1981 Really? About time they started enforcing it then! It really is a very poorly refereed sport as a whole.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 7, 2011 23:41:31 GMT 1
yes won't it be great on saturday when all english games are abondoned after about 15 minutes due to lack of players left on the pitch
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