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Post by jamo on Apr 5, 2011 12:21:26 GMT 1
The point on the world cup - that was a fifa competition and as such the FA had no authority to discipline him. Absolute tosh ! He was representing the F A, of course they had a right to discipline him. The French F A had no problem discipling several of their players folowing incidents at The World Cup.
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Post by DaveG on Apr 5, 2011 13:32:17 GMT 1
When one player is punished there will be bias from fans of rival teams, and defence from his own fans - you will never get everyone to agree on this.
To my mind, people should see this as issue number one in the new world of football, where things like this are just not acceptable. Players need to learn that their behaviour being correct is a very small price to pay for the adulation and incredible wealth which comes their way. I genuinely do not understand why scoring your hat-trick and winning a game you were losing should provoke that reaction - who is he angry with, and why is it a reasonable way of expressing whatever anger it is you have? I can only assume that WR was telling the media who have criticised him, to F off. Even if that is the case, and even if you agree he is harshly treated, it is simply not acceptable to behave like that, and he should be banned as an example to others.
I hope that next season the campaign will be enforced, because if the FA, for the first time ever, had the balls to see it through, with automatic yellow cards for approaching the ref/swearing at the ref/intimidating officials, then there will be carnage for two weeks, and after that the managers will be enforcing it themselves to avoid lengthy suspensions, fines or points deductions.
I am not so naive to think that there was some misty-eyed version of the game where everyone congratulated each other on a super goal or thrilled in some skill from an opposition player, but many of us are simply sick and tired of watching these players, FROM ALL TEAMS rant, rave and abuse people for doing their jobs to the best of their ability. I have basically no interest now in Premiership football, and only a radical overhaul of the disciplinary side of the game will change that.
The important issue will be whether the FA will ensure that referees communicate with the media and are accountable if they are going to receive much greater protection.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 5, 2011 13:48:51 GMT 1
dave stop speaking common sense
you know yourself people do the silliest things when cameras are pointed at them ;-)
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Post by venceremos on Apr 5, 2011 13:57:15 GMT 1
DaveG - a lot of good points in there. I think it's a mistake to focus on one player's poor behaviour. Yes the immediate responsibility is Rooney's. But why does Sky need to position a miked up camera near the goal? Why do some fans think it's acceptable to subject any player and his family to vile personal abuse?
Football, especially at the top level, is just too self important. I love the old footage they use on MOTD2, particularly that shot of the guy clapping like a lunatic with the biggest grin on his face. When did most modern day fans ever have fun like that at a game? The media over-hypes the game, we lap it up and then we wonder why too many people take it all far too seriously. Add that to a lack of self-respect and self-discipline and the result is everyone frothing over stupid incidents like Saturday's and blaming it on one individual. It'll happen again, Rooney or no Rooney.
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Post by DaveG on Apr 5, 2011 14:20:56 GMT 1
dave stop speaking common sense you know yourself people do the silliest things when cameras are pointed at them ;-) Pilch - your point is eloquently made, and had Mr Rooney celebrated his goal by dancing around like a retard, we wouldn't be having this debate. If I had celebrated my enjoyment that evening by rushing over to you and exclaiming "WHAT? WHAT? F*&K OFF!" you wouldn't have looked on with benign pity, knowing you wouldn't have to buy a drink in my company fpor several months to come..... Venceremos - they have to focus on one player's poor behaviour, as it was 2 days after the announcement about a renewed push for standards in the game to be improved, and the most famous player in English Football screamed obscenities down a camera beaming live to nearly a billion people. He just happened to present them with the perfect opportunity to show that they are serious. Hopefully they will come down equally as hard on the next, and the next, and the next and the next, whatever level they play at and whatever team they play for.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 5, 2011 14:22:17 GMT 1
yes but rooney didnt get chance to bribe the cameraman ;-)
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Post by scottishshrew on Apr 5, 2011 14:28:36 GMT 1
Come on guys, you can't seriously think any of these "apologies" make any difference? How many apologies has Rooney made in the past for sleeping with prostitutes, complaining about England fans, getting sent off because of his temper, swearing at the camera... the apologies make no difference, a fine would make no difference.
Banned for two matches is a suitable punishment if you ask me, will make him think twice before he does it again.
Heat of the moment, 2 goals down, etc etc... still no excuse for swearing. He's a role model whether he likes it or not, he should start acting like one.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 5, 2011 14:39:57 GMT 1
It was only a few weeks ago that Man U fans (and Pilch) were saying that Carregers aplogie made no difference in the Nani incident
Now its difference with Rooney... he said sorry get over it? LOL
I think we know that when Carrager said sorry it was from him not some press manager statement Rooney clearly had nothing to do with
United and double standards
Who would have thought!
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Post by stfcfan87 on Apr 5, 2011 15:18:34 GMT 1
I'm not a United fan and possibly could be a little bias as I have a dislike for Ferguson's united, but once again Rooney is dragging the club's name down - I'm sorry but surely even those of you that support United must be getting a little sick of his behaviour - we had his statement and transfer request in where he seemed to suggest he was unhappy at the standard of some of his team mates and the strategy of the club - even though they're going to win the league by a mile. But rather than a fine he got a massive pay rise.
He got away with a completely needless elbow - again without punishment. And now this.
I don't ever remember a time where David Beckham ever did something like that - and he was a United icon and probably got even more publicity that Rooney.
Ryan Giggs has never done anything like this and he's played for far longer than Rooney. Why is it that he's always been able to avoid massive controversy and been able to conduct himself properly while Rooney behaves like he does and seems to never learn from his actions?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 5, 2011 15:24:10 GMT 1
It was only a few weeks ago that Man U fans (and Pilch) were saying that Carregers aplogie made no difference in the Nani incident Now its difference with Rooney... he said sorry get over it? LOL I think we know that when Carrager said sorry it was from him not some press manager statement Rooney clearly had nothing to do with United and double standards Who would have thought! it was shearer that said, he's apologised, get on with it not me i've not said anything about rooney apologising and re nani i think i probably said if it was me i've have decked carragher had he been waiting outside the changing room for me i also said the fa should act on the carragher incident after the game my view on the rooney matter is fair enough charge/ban him but what a can of worms that opens now its the fa that has double standards not me or man u
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Post by scottishshrew on Apr 5, 2011 17:12:38 GMT 1
There is no discipline in football, introducing discipline should not be a can of worms, it should be a step in the right direction.
Talk back to the ref, instant booking, a player swears (at any point, camera or no camera), instant booking, etc. Would soon cut it out if it was strictly enforced, and it shifts the blame directly onto the players rather than blaming vague/non-existent rules.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 5, 2011 18:25:58 GMT 1
There is no discipline in football, introducing discipline should not be a can of worms, it should be a step in the right direction. Talk back to the ref, instant booking, a player swears (at any point, camera or no camera), instant booking, etc. Would soon cut it out if it was strictly enforced, and it shifts the blame directly onto the players rather than blaming vague/non-existent rules. Agree with that. Don't see any reason why it couldn't work. At first we might see players getting sent off right, left and centre but they will soon get the message and change their behaviour...
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Post by shrewder on Apr 5, 2011 18:40:40 GMT 1
He is just an uncouth thug who does not give a damm for anyone. Should be banned for the rest of the season. He is supposed to be a role model. Young kids will just copy him.
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Post by grinfish on Apr 5, 2011 19:09:56 GMT 1
You wouldn't have seen this carry-on if he'd stayed under Moyes' wing (or in Wilding's pocket).
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Apr 5, 2011 19:21:54 GMT 1
rooney , the first player ever to swear Exactly!!
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Apr 5, 2011 19:24:58 GMT 1
I don't ever remember a time where David Beckham ever did something like that - and he was a United icon and probably got even more publicity that Rooney. Ryan Giggs has never done anything like this and he's played for far longer than Rooney. Why is it that he's always been able to avoid massive controversy and been able to conduct himself properly while Rooney behaves like he does and seems to never learn from his actions? But I do agree with this!
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Post by grinfish on Apr 5, 2011 19:48:15 GMT 1
So, hedunnit, hands up guv, but wants time off -for what? Good behaviour? news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/12977589.stmTime to see if the FA has the balls to crank it all the way up to 3, or whether they just wanted to be seen to take "severe action", then be able to show their benevolence on considering Radioface to be "suitably warned".
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 5, 2011 20:15:52 GMT 1
Just another day in the thick as pig s**t Wayne Rooney's life. Such a stupid, stupid, prat, he only has himself to blame.
That said, the punishment is a little bit harsh, but as long as it sets a precedent then fair enough.
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Post by scottishshrew on Apr 5, 2011 20:38:09 GMT 1
It is not harsh. No, the language doesn't offend me and I'm sure it doesn't offend most of you, but imagine you're watching the game with your 7 year old son who worships Man Utd and all of their players... one of whom runs up to the camera and shouts **** at it several times. At 4pm in the afternoon.
The players have to have some responsibility, emotions or no emotions.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Apr 5, 2011 20:45:20 GMT 1
It is not harsh. No, the language doesn't offend me and I'm sure it doesn't offend most of you, but imagine you're watching the game with your 7 year old son who worships Man Utd and all of their players... one of whom runs up to the camera and shouts **** at it several times. At 4pm in the afternoon. The players have to have some responsibility, emotions or no emotions. Very well said.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 5, 2011 20:48:56 GMT 1
It is not harsh. No, the language doesn't offend me and I'm sure it doesn't offend most of you, but imagine you're watching the game with your 7 year old son who worships Man Utd and all of their players... one of whom runs up to the camera and shouts **** at it several times. At 4pm in the afternoon. The players have to have some responsibility, emotions or no emotions. *At 2pm in the afternoon Other than that, top post
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Post by Myddleshrew on Apr 6, 2011 0:50:02 GMT 1
Will Peter Crouch be handed 2 game ban for saying **** off live on sky sports tonight
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Post by Pilch on Apr 6, 2011 1:11:26 GMT 1
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Apr 6, 2011 9:36:49 GMT 1
At the end of the day it all comes down to morals, and what people think is right.
If I swore at work I could very well lose my job, the same properly goes for most on this board. But because it's a footballer some people seam to think that's all right.
Over the past few weeks questions have been asked about if the FA's Respect campaign has been working, due to Alex Ferguson's touch line ban and the amount of referee attacks in the lower ends of the game.
The one thing that has come up is the amount of swearing that goes on. The FA has tried to stamp out bad behaviour in the lower ends of football before, but it never happens. Why, because they go home turn on the TV and see the big stars of the prem doing what they are told not to. So now the FA is starting at the top, and about time too as far as I personally am concerned, it will make every one below the big stars think about their own behaviour.
When I go to a football match I know I swear like a trooper at times, which if I am honest about, I don't like and wish I didn't. But it's something that just seam's to be done and not just me. It's become a habit.
It's very well people point out what's happened in the past but a line has to be drawn somewhere and to honest it had to be some one that's a big name.
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Post by scottishshrew on Apr 6, 2011 12:31:50 GMT 1
It's very well people point out what's happened in the past but a line has to be drawn somewhere and to honest it had to be some one that's a big name. Precisely, but most importantly it must happen consistently and to anyone who offends, not just one person as an example.
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Apr 6, 2011 23:31:49 GMT 1
Great goal and performance by him tonight
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Post by Pilch on Apr 6, 2011 23:52:09 GMT 1
sorry is harry redknapp an uneducated thug ?
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Post by scottishshrew on Apr 7, 2011 1:08:15 GMT 1
I don't see the relevance.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 7, 2011 7:54:26 GMT 1
Great goal and performance by him tonight So how did he celebrate this time around? I did wonder whether he might head off to a camera with finger over his mouth giving it a ‘shhhhhhhhhhhh’ but then I recall he’s appealed, so I suspect he didn’t…
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Post by Amsterdammer on Apr 7, 2011 8:41:02 GMT 1
The media frenzy around Rooney is getting a tad ridiculous - the typical build them up, knock them down cycle in full force.
Looking at that Redknapp clip you can see why Rooney feels victimised. You also saw a couple of nasty tackles on him last night unpunished and also watching the England game against Ghana, I noticed Milner committed a nasty cynical rake down the back of Gyan's leg with no headlines. I see above he's also cited for something he did in the Ghana game after scoring a penalty. I just have missed his sudden appearance and then substitution.
I haven't actually heard or seen what he said. But if it is what Dave G quotes there is going to be a player and manager shortage in the near future as the bans pile up.
The boy seems to have issues, but it seems some want to see him implode rather than grow past it.
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