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Post by BlueTone on May 12, 2005 22:37:36 GMT 1
Sliced Bread! Gary Peters is a god. I believe!!! Great and genuine performance tonight.
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 12, 2005 22:43:09 GMT 1
I think he is being realistic without accepting the status quo. What he is aiming for in the short and medium term is achievable.
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Post by x emz x on May 12, 2005 22:43:17 GMT 1
ok look at gary peters................ GARY:"right guys,im not gonna sign a contract yet, im gonna win you all over to my way of thinking first and get you on my side. in order for me to sign my contract, i want.........................." he gets it..next month GARY:"again guys, thanks for what uve done i appreciate it. now i want this so i will sign my contract......................" he gets it..... next month GARY:"thanks you lot are fantastic. now, if i get this i might just sign my contract. and ive asked the board for this this this this AND most importantly this,because im comparing you to what i had at preston, even tho they had more money, i expect it!" and guess wot............(drum roll pleeeease) he gets it FANS:"so gary when are u gonna sign this contract?" GARY:"first of all thanks for everything you have done.i and everyone here appricate it. now when am i gonna sign my contract. well what im gonna do is beat about the bush a bit more, and leave you wondering for a few more months. i am gonna tell you my five year plan, gonna go over it a bit more, maybe try and throw you off the mark a little here.! dont wanna seem to be overdoing it, but aint gonna answer your question! oh i know i'll twist it back on them, make them feel bad bout asking me bout it by sayin how its not that important, and they think to much about it" does my head in what else does he want from us?? he asks us to get behind him, get the gates up a bit, create an atmosphere, really get behind the lads. we do, weve done it. the chairman is giving in to all his needs-and probably rightly so. but he is takin us for granted because he knows we are always gonna be here, and will will do anything he wants us to do to help our club.so he will keep asking us to help him do things, help the club move on by doing this and this and this and this and this etc etc etc but yet the 1 thing, the 1 thing we want him 2 do, he wont. he says it helps the club...ok it might do if we went down, but according to him, we aint, his 5 year plan doesnt involve relegation in any way.so why talk about not being the right man for the job? but say blackburn or something offered him a big fat contract with reduced hours, hassle and more money, are you gonna sit there and tell me he aint gonna take it? no he would, we know that. so him not signing a contract could wreck it, because he could walk away at anytime, and leave us up sh!t creak without a paddle!
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Post by meoleshrew2 on May 12, 2005 22:43:33 GMT 1
GP does something that no one else at the club can do, PR, without loads of bulls**t, Sam fans favourite, so why not let the fans think that Sam realised that he needed to leave, those fans who think Sam was doing a good job that is, of course you have to read between the lines a bit, its the world of football after all.
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Post by x emz x on May 12, 2005 22:52:51 GMT 1
Sliced Bread! Gary Peters is a god. I believe!!! Great and genuine performance tonight. well yea thats fair enuff......your opinion, your entitled to it, like i am mine! i just dont think everythin he says and does is as perfect and as correct and everything else that alot of people think it is.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on May 12, 2005 22:56:42 GMT 1
ok look at gary peters................ GARY:"right guys,im not gonna sign a contract yet, im gonna win you all over to my way of thinking first and get you on my side. in order for me to sign my contract, i want.........................." he gets it..next month GARY:"again guys, thanks for what uve done i appreciate it. now i want this so i will sign my contract......................" he gets it..... next month GARY:"thanks you lot are fantastic. now, if i get this i might just sign my contract. and ive asked the board for this this this this AND most importantly this,because im comparing you to what i had at preston, even tho they had more money, i expect it!" and guess wot............(drum roll pleeeease) he gets it FANS:"so gary when are u gonna sign this contract?" GARY:"first of all thanks for everything you have done.i and everyone here appricate it. now when am i gonna sign my contract. well what im gonna do is beat about the bush a bit more, and leave you wondering for a few more months. i am gonna tell you my five year plan, gonna go over it a bit more, maybe try and throw you off the mark a little here.! dont wanna seem to be overdoing it, but aint gonna answer your question! oh i know i'll twist it back on them, make them feel bad bout asking me bout it by sayin how its not that important, and they think to much about it" does my head in what else does he want from us?? he asks us to get behind him, get the gates up a bit, create an atmosphere, really get behind the lads. we do, weve done it. the chairman is giving in to all his needs-and probably rightly so. but he is takin us for granted because he knows we are always gonna be here, and will will do anything he wants us to do to help our club.so he will keep asking us to help him do things, help the club move on by doing this and this and this and this and this etc etc etc but yet the 1 thing, the 1 thing we want him 2 do, he wont. he says it helps the club...ok it might do if we went down, but according to him, we aint, his 5 year plan doesnt involve relegation in any way.so why talk about not being the right man for the job? but say blackburn or something offered him a big fat contract with reduced hours, hassle and more money, are you gonna sit there and tell me he aint gonna take it? no he would, we know that. so him not signing a contract could wreck it, because he could walk away at anytime, and leave us up sh!t creak without a paddle! He might decide that the clubs not worth the bother in a year or so, so he could sign a 50 year contract and still walk, contracts are not really worth anything, even if another club wants him all he would have to do is resign go on gardening leave and start work at a new club in a month or so. Fred Davies was given a damn good contract by the club, so good it over a year to pay him off after he was sacked. If some rumours are to be believed then our future will be very much like Crewe's so contracts will only apply to players anyway. He is a clever sod, knows how to get fans backing, whats wrong with that? the club has drifted for far too long, its needed a sharp manager in charge, it seems that is what we have got
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Post by x emz x on May 12, 2005 23:03:30 GMT 1
theres nothing wrong with that....fair enuff need a manager to kick our club into shape- id did agree with that at some point during my essay i think - but what im saying is, gary peters seems to ask alot of us, and promise he will sign his contract, but he hasnt as for they mean nothing, they do because he could walk away at anytime and leave us in the sh!t basically. yea he could walk away when he has a contract, at his loss.i'd just feel a bit more comfortable if he signed a contract. as for talkin us round, he knows what hes saying, and it winds me up, because everyone takes everythin that he says in, and believe every single word! like with sam, gp basically told him that if he got a contract, what the terms would be. and then he says " so before the words left my mouth, sam had come to that decision on his own!"....well no wonder sam had after what he'd been told! lol
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 12, 2005 23:08:02 GMT 1
I liked the "Jake Sedgemore was 6 foot 1 but he jumped for headers like he was 5 foot 3" or something similar anyway, at least the last question was direct It an age to get to that point, including an utterly forgettable speech by Frank Leath OBE
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Post by wiganshrew2 on May 12, 2005 23:16:34 GMT 1
For what it's worth, I've been trawling round a few Football websites tonight- and it seems that Gary Peters wants to be sure the supporters are on his side and agree with what he is setting out to achieve, before he signs.
I tend to think he's a man who's passionate about things, once he decides to commit himself. It's obvious that he thinks the fans contribution matters. It shows- even in the way he made it known that he believes that the atmosphere supporters create can turn a game around.
I have a good feeling about that. I think he's genuine.
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Post by x emz x on May 12, 2005 23:29:34 GMT 1
i think hes got good ideas for the club, but knowing he can walk out at any point, as he has no ties etc etc just winds me up slightly. and it seems he asks for everythin he wants before he gives something back ok he kept us up, but that was down to the players, he says that himself. he has a good eye for players, he can attract them. he definately knows wot he wants....but i dunno theres just something inside me that says not to trust everything he does. anyway ive thought about this way to much and have given myself a headache
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Post by wiganshrew2 on May 12, 2005 23:42:38 GMT 1
Now- wouldn't you ask for everything you want before you commit yourself- say, to a fella? I'm pretty good on character- and I feel O.K about it. Quinn was more of a cold fish, I felt he didn't care about Shrewsbury Town as much as G.P. does. BUT- I haven't seen G.P. face to face. I've only seen him by the dugout..etc.... I'm very good on character if I meet people. Years of experience of summing up fellas!! You have seen him at close range. Still- I think the signs are positive- fear not!!!
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Post by x emz x on May 12, 2005 23:46:11 GMT 1
lets hope so eh....i mean i dont even think he would walk out-unless he got an offer froma bigger club....but i think im just worrying incase he did......maybe its because i think hes great-which i do- and dont want to lose him i have no idea anymore, think ive been awake to long... but i still to my guns when i say he seems to want an awful lot before giving something back
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Post by Blue 44 on May 13, 2005 7:05:46 GMT 1
lets hope so eh....i mean i dont even think he would walk out-unless he got an offer froma bigger club....but i think im just worrying incase he did......maybe its because i think hes great-which i do- and dont want to lose him i have no idea anymore, think ive been awake to long... but i still to my guns when i say he seems to want an awful lot before giving something back I think he has already given a lot back kept us in the league sorting out the retained list in a sensible prudent way IMO Planning for the future generally getting the club on the right path as regrds training pitches etc Gary does talk agood talk but he is unafraid of tough decisions and wont tolerate anyone who doesnt want to play for the club Time will tell but my guess is if we stick with GPwe will be alot better in 3 or 4 years time than we are now He is a fine leader
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 13, 2005 8:21:27 GMT 1
The thing is for the first time I see a manager who does not just want to runt he first team, or even the youth, but wants to get the club going, the whole club, as a cohesive unit
for that alone I think it is worth supporting Peters, because he challenges the status quo and asks what on earth has been going on all this time
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 13, 2005 8:35:56 GMT 1
I liked the "Jake Sedgemore was 6 foot 1 but he jumped for headers like he was 5 foot 3" or something similar anyway, at least the last question was direct It an age to get to that point, including an utterly forgettable speech by Frank Leath OBE What was the last question David?
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Post by meoleshrew2 on May 13, 2005 8:42:01 GMT 1
If GP signs a contract in the near future then I would say not long till work starts on the NM then. Thats where he see's this club has any kind of future
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 13, 2005 8:43:31 GMT 1
What was the last question David? "So what do you wants us to do then?" from the fat lad in glasses down the front
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Post by Trewbloo on May 13, 2005 8:48:10 GMT 1
GP was on great form plus also heard a little rumour about possible investment tohight. Over to you Phil ;D Ok JP you forced it out of me. The rumour I have heard (and it's only a rumour) is that Gary owns some land down Heathrow way, and it is worth a tidy sum. He wants to invest some of this money into the football club, possibly by becoming a director. I do love a good rumour and I do like the sound of this one. Probably complete bollox but you never know!!!!!!
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Post by meoleshrew2 on May 13, 2005 8:52:24 GMT 1
Ok JP you forced it out of me. The rumour I have heard (and it's only a rumour) is that Gary owns some land down Heathrow way, and it is worth a tidy sum. He wants to invest some of this money into the football club, possibly by becoming a director. I do love a good rumour and I do like the sound of this one. Probably complete bollox but you never know!!!!!! You don't mean STFC emulate Crewe ;D Now that would make a contract a bit redundant wouldn't it, if it were true
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Post by OldGit on May 13, 2005 9:01:44 GMT 1
I don't get the semi-sinister implications people are reading into the caution GP is expressing about signing a contract. He is clearly an excellent negotiator who has a well defined set of priorities and objectives. The good thing about this seems to be, that if for any reason he did just "walk", he has only done good, pragmatic and beneficial things and would not be a burden or drain financially if he went. If, on the other hand, he was saying things like "I won't sign till.. you've bought me a house, a car, signed these old chums of mine......." then I'd be worried.
As a piece of pure speculation, if the "investment" rumours hold any truth, that would only support the view that GP is being extremely canny about signing a contract until he has the same level of commitment from the clubs and fans about how to move forward as he surely has himself?
BTW - ask yourself why any manager who was going to leave would pay money from his own pocket to send players on a trip to Tenerife?
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Post by tom_leather on May 13, 2005 9:03:44 GMT 1
"So what do you wants us to do then?" from the fat lad in glasses down the front and what was the answer?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 13, 2005 9:09:31 GMT 1
basically he is going to bring in a squad of rough diamond younger players who need experience and we cannot get on their backs and whinge That is the reason he resigned at Preston, he could not stand by and let his young players get criticised. The season after those young players were int he play offs under David Moyes Kevin Kilbane, Sean Gregan and Jon Macken were all discovered by GP and brought £9m in to Preston He wants to discover great young players here and take a risk on ex premiership youth players, but he needs the fans to be patient. Next season we want to stay in the division and have 15 young players playing over 30 games each
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Post by Pilch on May 13, 2005 9:21:08 GMT 1
how many times if peters signs a 500 year contract HE CAN STILL WALK AWAY AT ANY TIME
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Post by Shrews and Royals on May 13, 2005 9:25:58 GMT 1
He is confident that he can get three forwards in for Luke's salary and they will be better players than Luke. So then......the assest he is trying to get money for is over paid and not really that good? That's a really good impression to give when trying to get a compensation fee. I hope that doesn't get quoted in a discussion on value! (Much as I have been mocked elsewhere for having that opinion in the past!). As for Sedge not being able to jump......he could hit a bloomin' good free kick! If you always look to the negatives in situations people will lose heart and start to think you are always complaining. There is being honest, and there is finding balance. I'd like to see a few more positives highlighted - if not look at the right negatives. The critcism of the defence only being good enough for bottom five was unfair. They were 11th in both the goals conceeded and clean sheets league for the division. On the other hand the attack were 5th worst, had no one in the top 20 scorers, and had a top scorer for the season with 7. Balanced, and fair debate is what I want to see more of. Remember he only rates the supporters as 7/10!
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Post by Belgravia Court Shrew on May 13, 2005 10:11:57 GMT 1
I am 100% behind GP....who cares if he has a contract or not. As GP said if a club came in that wanted him they would'nt think twice about paying a compensation fee to buy him out of his contract with us. Glad GP cleared up the Chester situation and came clean about the fact that he was approached by their chairman...shows he wants to stay here and do a job. I have'nt been so excited and optamistic about STFC for a long long time..to see a guy like GP who is so committed,passionate and has a sense of ambition for the club,town and fans rarther than just lining his own pockets and making a name for himself. Ok its not going to be a quick job...but lets give him all the support we can. If it does'nt come off...we know he will be as gutted as everyone else for US not just himself!.
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on May 13, 2005 10:12:51 GMT 1
theres nothing wrong with that....fair enuff need a manager to kick our club into shape- id did agree with that at some point during my essay i think - but what im saying is, gary peters seems to ask alot of us, and promise he will sign his contract, but he hasnt as for they mean nothing, they do because he could walk away at anytime and leave us in the sh!t basically. yea he could walk away when he has a contract, at his loss.i'd just feel a bit more comfortable if he signed a contract. as for talkin us round, he knows what hes saying, and it winds me up, because everyone takes everythin that he says in, and believe every single word! like with sam, gp basically told him that if he got a contract, what the terms would be. and then he says " so before the words left my mouth, sam had come to that decision on his own!"....well no wonder sam had after what he'd been told! lol Thing is tough Mrs T, you talk about Gary Peters like he does nothing. This is the bloke that is doen the ground at 6 a.m. watching videos. At the ground most nights past. When he's at home he watches vidoes, or goes to games. I think he's doing a lot Mrs T. And I agree with others. Contracts are worthless. The only thing they do is give a) thr manager a sfaety net if he s41t, and b) the club compnesation if he leaves early
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 13, 2005 10:28:49 GMT 1
he would not have brought in his own fitness coach and equipment for next season if he did not plan on staying
It looks like Mick Wadsworth is staying too
we are going to have a very very good back room set up from next season and some young hungry players
but why would GP sign young players to bring them on if he was not going to be here?
He said last night he does not want to go to Chester because he does not want to be in a financial situation that is unworkable and unsustainable in the long term
he sounded genuinely sad about what happened at preston and he gets his kicks from seeing young lads become good players. he does not want to go to a big club and just be a coach while other people make signings and release players
He controls the playing budget, he controls the training and he lives or dies by his team, and that is the way he wants it
Basically he is an old school manager with masses of experience, and if you compare our new fitness coach with computer based fitness regimes and performance assessment of players compared to Dave Cooke and you start to think we can actually get our young players to improve
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Post by meoleshrew2 on May 13, 2005 10:42:53 GMT 1
Having read on Devachat about Jesters financial hassles, it just reminds me how glad I am to have a club on such a sound financial footing.
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Post by mattm on May 13, 2005 10:53:27 GMT 1
I thought that Peter's expalined the new rule about only being able to spend 60% of the clubs turnover very well.
I'd been wondering all season how Macclesfield had managed to get the squad they had on gates of around 2500. Apparently its because they've got to Iranian business men putting in £500,000 a year.
Long term development of youth team players is the only way a side like Shrewsbury are going to a) stay in business and b) move up the league.
I also thought it was quite telling that Peter's thought Rodgers, Aiston and Tolley hadn't improved as much as they should - which suggests that rumours about Quinn's lack of interest in traning the first team were correct. it will be intersting to see how well Edwards, Hart and Aggadio improve next season under Peter's training.
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Post by hooverfoxat2 on May 13, 2005 10:54:45 GMT 1
Just going to reiterate what I said when GP was announced as our new manager all those months ago - in my opinion he will be known as 1 of the best Town managers in the clubs history - if not the best. At last we have a man in charge with a long term aim and ambition that goes further than the end of each season and the contentment of being an also ran that just survives. Gary Peters lives,eats and breathes football and his dedication is second to none - as for next season,well I'll be happy with a team of up and coming youngsters that prove their worth and mid table safety will be a great platform to build on for the future. If getting rid of out of contract supporters favourites on high wages and introducing a squad of youngsters with little cudos means a better future for the club then bring it on.
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