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Post by pawlo on Apr 20, 2005 10:13:35 GMT 1
TBH - you might want to read my earlier replies again. I'm not saying anything about London or local Shrewsbury in particular. I'm voting on a national point of view here. It's not just in London that house prices are high, it's all over the country. Labour have been in power for 8 years - IMO they're not doing enough to help first time buyers. They're also not doing enough to improve schools. Also, they're stupidly trying to get 50% of people to university, hence putting pressure on the universities which is causing the top up fees. As I previously said, I'm not necessarily voting Tory in this election because I approve of all their ideas but because they are the only party who will provide decent opposition to the mistakes Labour are making. One other thing that hasn't been considered here is the 'selfish' vote. As well as looking out for the country with my vote, I will, as my dad puts it be "looking after number 1" when I get into that voting booth on May 5th. I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one who will be thinking this as well. Can you suggest a way to bring down house prices? And if you where one of the countries home owners, would you be so keen on bringing down property prices? We have stable interest rates and inflation, two very important factors for successful home ownership. Ask your Dad what it was like to own a home during the 80s and early 90s, with interest rates at 15% and changing every month. In the free market economy, which i suppose the tory reps on the board whole heartedly support, is it really the place of central government to be providing support to first time buyers. If you cant afford a house in your area, than i suggest you take a leaf out of tory hero norman tebbits book, and get on your bike. If you cant afford it, then get a new job, train for something better paid, or go buy a house in a less expensive area. Its a sign of how well the government are doing i suppose that people who are just out of university, or indeed still in it, think they have some God given right to be home owners. Hands up who is genuinly unhappy with their childs level of education. Where are people to go for higher education? In the "good old days" we had universities and polytechnics. The really bright and relatively well off kids went to uni, the rest went to poly, of coarse we dont have polys anymore because the party we are not allowed to mention abolished them and renamed them universities, so a greater number of people would be seen in this country as "university educated". This government doesnt force people into higher education. It doesnt make them go into higher education at all. The oppertunity is however there. Yes many will have to pay tuition fees, but many wont. I believe an awfull lot of people vote selfishly at elections and look after number one, myself included, i also see the bigger picture and if i could honestly see this country crumbling around me, society falling into anarchy and dispair, then i could not vote for Labour. Thankfully, its been 8 years since we experienced that kind of thing in this country, and although this sounds terribly arrogant, if you open your eyes for a minute and take a good long look, you might, just might, actually agree. One thing that does irritate me a little is how so many people moan that the government is interferring to much in peoples lives, then the next minute, they want them to sort out all their problems for them. You cant have it both ways.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2005 10:26:45 GMT 1
I can see what you're saying but I feel very patronised by what you have just written.
"Can you suggest a way to bring down house prices?"
I'm not a politician or a consultant - I'll leave that to them.
"Its a sign of how well the government are doing I suppose that people who are just out of university, or indeed still in it, think they have some God given right to be home owners. "
I don't think I have any god given right at all. However, I'll be earning a decent wage when I start my graduate job in September and there's no way I'll be able to afford a house for many years to come. How will people cope who will earn below average?
I can see where yourself and TBH are coming from but I don't agree with your opinions - that's the beauty of democracy I suppose ;D
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Post by pawlo on Apr 20, 2005 10:34:53 GMT 1
I can see what you're saying but I feel very patronised by what you have just written. "Can you suggest a way to bring down house prices?" I'm not a politician or a consultant - I'll leave that to them. "Its a sign of how well the government are doing I suppose that people who are just out of university, or indeed still in it, think they have some God given right to be home owners. " I don't think I have any god given right at all. However, I'll be earning a decent wage when I start my graduate job in September and there's no way I'll be able to afford a house for many years to come. How will people cope who will earn below average? I can see where yourself and TBH are coming from but I don't agree with your opinions - that's the beauty of democracy I suppose ;D Sorry mate, didnt mean to sound patronising Not in your case i guess, but the beauty of democracy to me is that you can not bother to vote, then spend the next 4 years moaning about how crap the government is and how they dont listen I am more than prepared to accept the vote of the people, and i guess that allowing for our far from ideal way of electing government in this country, if Labour get re elected on May 5th, then most people in the country feel that despite their faults and some failures, the majority want them in power more than anyone else.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 20, 2005 10:41:16 GMT 1
I can see where yourself and TBH are coming from but I don't agree with your opinions - that's the beauty of democracy I suppose ;D so which party is going to sort out social housing and lower house prices? You make a very valid point that effects millions of people, so which party gives us a solution?
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Post by True_Shrew on Apr 20, 2005 10:44:29 GMT 1
I can see what you're saying but I feel very patronised by what you have just written. "Can you suggest a way to bring down house prices?" I'm not a politician or a consultant - I'll leave that to them. "Its a sign of how well the government are doing I suppose that people who are just out of university, or indeed still in it, think they have some God given right to be home owners. " I don't think I have any god given right at all. However, I'll be earning a decent wage when I start my graduate job in September and there's no way I'll be able to afford a house for many years to come. How will people cope who will earn below average? I can see where yourself and TBH are coming from but I don't agree with your opinions - that's the beauty of democracy I suppose ;D Top post Phil Believe what you want to beleive Pab but don't assume everyone thinks that life is as good to them as it is to you.
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Post by pawlo on Apr 20, 2005 10:53:01 GMT 1
Top post Phil Believe what you want to beleive Pab but don't assume everyone thinks that life is as good to them as it is to you. I dont assume that , what i do assume however and i accept i may be wrong, but many (not all) people dont know how well off and lucky they are.
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Post by rob on Apr 20, 2005 11:30:31 GMT 1
I totally agree with the issues of house pricing. My brother is 25/26 and worked for outward bound, he's now doing a few months in costa rica with world challenge. At outward bound he was on about £12k, with world challenege he'll be on about £100 a week (with free housing and food) How the feck is he supposed to be able to afford a house? He's even moved back home because renting is getting to expensive and digging into his wages. he has a degree, and all the mountain leadership qualifications/cannoeing etc qualifications you could wish for. And to put it bluntly, he's fecked, unless he moved abroad, because short of my parents dying or marrying a rich lass he isnt going to be able to afford to buy a house. Its certanly a big concern to him and my folks, and now i have to be honest i too am begining to worry what will happen to me in my midterm future after uni. Our generation can't rent forever.....
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Post by drasisback on Apr 20, 2005 11:32:15 GMT 1
Does anyone know where the contact details for local candidates are kept? Are they freely available etc Ta
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 20, 2005 11:35:21 GMT 1
so again I ask - which party has a clear policy on social housing and how will this effect hosue prices? If it is a massive issue then let's find out who to vote for. I currently have a mortgage that is over 4 times my salary so I am in trouble with the current interest rates continually rising We need a stable economy or plenty of homeowners who had to stretch hard to get a house are going to be stuffed as well
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2005 11:57:54 GMT 1
so again I ask - which party has a clear policy on social housing and how will this effect hosue prices? In London, as an example (purely used this an example as it was on the local news last night). Labour have promised to build (or over see the building) of a large number of homes in the future in the Thames gateway. At the moment they are currently only building half the houses they promised - this fraction will apparently decrease in the next few years due to poor planning.
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 20, 2005 12:06:44 GMT 1
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Post by Rob on Apr 20, 2005 12:07:26 GMT 1
I live in North Shropshire where the tories always get in by a mile. They will do better than the polls suggest as their core vote will turn out. I will be voting Lib Dem myself as they will safeguard public services , scrap student top up fees, and replace the unjust council tax.
In South Shropshire and Montgomeryshire vote Lib Dem to stop the Tory's winning.
Not sure who is challenging the tories in Shrewsbury or the Wrekin
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 20, 2005 12:26:10 GMT 1
so again I ask - which party has a clear policy on social housing and how will this effect hosue prices? If it is a massive issue then let's find out who to vote for. I currently have a mortgage that is over 4 times my salary so I am in trouble with the current interest rates continually rising We need a stable economy or plenty of homeowners who had to stretch hard to get a house are going to be stuffed as well This isnt easy to sort out, below is Labours plan for the south, which will filter through further north, much needs to be done via legislation, to halt the buy to let companies, I helped a friend try and get a house not long ago, spotting the cheaper homes as they come on the market, thier mortgage is already to go, each time they were thwarted by buy to let companies, its worse as you move into cities. I've read through the other partys plans or lack off, I can't find anything concrete,just words about stopping people drifting away from the cities. people complained about gains park when it was built but its going to take more of the same kind of build to relieve the house market without affecting the prices too much, I still believe that a shared ownership scheme is going to be the way forward, as long as the scheme's are controled carefully Prescott's plans: 2003-2031 London-Cambridge-M11 corridor: Between 250,000 and 500,000 new homes Milton Keynes: Up to 300,000 new homes Thames Gateway: Up to 40,000 new homes Ashford: Up to 31,000 new homes The infrastructure that needsto be put in place will be massive. Oh by the way I'm delighted with local education, the facilities have been improved and there has been a year on year improvement in our childs education
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 20, 2005 12:30:44 GMT 1
In London, as an example (purely used this an example as it was on the local news last night). Labour have promised to build (or over see the building) of a large number of homes in the future in the Thames gateway. At the moment they are currently only building half the houses they promised - this fraction will apparently decrease in the next few years due to poor planning. how does that compare with conservative policy on social housing in the south east?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2005 12:35:13 GMT 1
The Tory candidate who was on the programme promised to finish the job at the rate Labour had promised
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 20, 2005 12:39:05 GMT 1
so the two main parties are identical in their plans?
Therefore it is not an issue to decide who to vote for surely? They are both the same.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2005 12:42:13 GMT 1
so the two main parties are identical in their plans? Therefore it is not an issue to decide who to vote for surely? They are both the same. They have the same idea in that particular area of the country yes, but Labour have failed to produce the results they have promised so far
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 20, 2005 12:46:50 GMT 1
It just seems strange that in your lifetime you have seen house price inflation spiralling, house prices falling leaving negative equity and interest rates up to 15% and yet somehow you are disappointed with 8 years if low interest rates and a highly competitive housing market caused by a strong economy and this being a good country to live in It is a democracy my friend - make your vote count
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Post by sponger on Apr 20, 2005 13:24:37 GMT 1
Whats the saying yellow belly liver something or other, can remember, your just like a child shouting, nah, nah, nah ,nah if you think your being clever your way off the mark Why is it just you that picks on my posts ? You obviously don't like what I am saying for the record I think everything to say is bollox so go boil your head
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 20, 2005 13:26:13 GMT 1
I bought a house in 1988 for £44,000. In 1994, because of redundancy, I had to move to another part of the country. I sold the house, eventually, for £36,500.
Thanks to the Tories for destroying manufacturing industry, resulting in redundancy and completely c*cking up the economy, resulting in financial ruin.
As much as I hate Blair, and I really do, please don't think that the Tories have anything to offer the majority of people in this country.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 20, 2005 15:46:53 GMT 1
Why is it just you that picks on my posts ? You obviously don't like what I am saying for the record I think everything to say is bollox so go boil your head When bored I also like to play, can you re-write the above in a way it could be understood
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Post by sponger on Apr 20, 2005 15:54:15 GMT 1
When bored I also like to play, can you re-write the above in a way it could be understood And i bet you'll use a postal vote
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 20, 2005 15:56:35 GMT 1
And i bet you'll use a postal vote No
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Post by dachs on Apr 20, 2005 17:40:58 GMT 1
The Tory candidate who was on the programme promised to finish the job at the rate Labour had promised Come off it. Surely you see though that opportunist sniping?
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Post by dachs on Apr 20, 2005 17:56:06 GMT 1
And if you where one of the countries home owners, would you be so keen on bringing down property prices? We have stable interest rates and inflation, two very important factors for successful home ownership. Ask your Dad what it was like to own a home during the 80s and early 90s, with interest rates at 15% and changing every month. That's an interesting question. If you had a £250k house that had more or less doubled in value since Labour came to power, would you think they were doing such a bad job? Would you like prices to fall to their 1997 levels, to help out the poor twenty-somethings?
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