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Post by islay malt on Mar 23, 2005 9:59:53 GMT 1
I have to agree with Harmerhill on this one.
No doubt, most of the extreme right arguments are dictated by a prescribed script. However, their arguments will never overcome reasoned debate. This thread has shown that, all to clearly. I'm sure many, many, people view this board, but never post. I believe that the vast majority of these will have seen the illogical philosophy that underlines the neo-nazi doctrines. With regard to not answering questions; he can't, nor ever will be able to. Again, this is ample evidence of the lack of substance and depth of their case.
Let him get on with it. If he's digging a hole, make sure he's got a big enough shovel.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Mar 23, 2005 10:00:43 GMT 1
You must respected 'free speech' I think you should let him have his say and then point out he is wrong. As I have said before, the young and the impressionable need to be shown that CS and his ilk are wrong. H won't read it, I got the teenage 'no way mum' 'it aint gonna stop me liking my friends so no point' Then I got nagged about her playing footy Friday afternoon.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 23, 2005 10:23:02 GMT 1
You must respected 'free speech' I think you should let him have his say and then point out he is wrong. As I have said before, the young and the impressionable need to be shown that CS and his ilk are wrong. we can dot hat Andrew, but at the same time 1) we know current decent board users are offended by him 2) his racist postings break the rule of this board
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Mar 23, 2005 10:55:45 GMT 1
1) we know current decent board users are offended by him 2) his racist postings break the rule of this board 1) I am offended too by some of his comments, and will answer back when needed. 2) I have reported him many a time and get the same e-mail returned thanking me, but nothing is done by his ISP
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Post by chrisj on Mar 23, 2005 19:14:17 GMT 1
Apologies for hogging this thread, but just clearing up a few points raised. I hate to shatter those who are quick to insult on here, but I am in fact a 45 y.o Primary School teacher. I'll be honest that I trained/have grown up with the 'left wing' agenda forced through the education system so understand where Sister pab is coming from. Ideally a lot of what he/she says has some substance, but in reality it has failed generations of children (in my opinion). Several years ago I decided to look at the opposite viewpoint and was amazed at how this information is suppressed, (thank heavens for the Internet eh?). I found it sits far more comfortably with me and how I bring my children up. They don't 'hate' but are confident and proud of who they are. I will not give any further personal details out as 'searchlight' will be on a mission and I'll be thrown out of the Union......... some democracy eh? Having said that I would never bring my politics into the classroom, despite the opposite side being indoctrined all around kids. Hopefully oneday the roles will be reversed You asked where you had lied. It is untrue to claim that any individual can be fairly treated as representatives of their racial category. Racists do this, therefore claiming what is untrue to be true. This is a lie. QED. I won't go into all the tiresome and unpleasant myths, fabrications and fantasies that racists propogate to try to justify what they say and do. I am appalled that someone with your lack of respect for humanity has access to young people. But in my time in the profession I've met enough bigots and bullies that it doesn't surprise me. Some people do start teaching for a power trip. They're usually cr@p though. Your last comment about wishing you could bring your poison into the classroom says it all really. And while I'm happy to have a reasonable debate with people whom I feel can be reached, when I encounter the kind of scum whose username is a hark back to nazism and who is clearly beyond recall, well, I tend not to feel insults are needless or unjustified. I hate you f*****s, it's that simple.
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Post by Aryanimp on Mar 24, 2005 1:14:04 GMT 1
You asked where you had lied. It is untrue to claim that any individual can be fairly treated as representatives of their racial category. Racists do this, therefore claiming what is untrue to be true. This is a lie. QED. I won't go into all the tiresome and unpleasant myths, fabrications and fantasies that racists propogate to try to justify what they say and do. I am appalled that someone with your lack of respect for humanity has access to young people. But in my time in the profession I've met enough bigots and bullies that it doesn't surprise me. Some people do start teaching for a power trip. They're usually cr@p though. Your last comment about wishing you could bring your poison into the classroom says it all really. And while I'm happy to have a reasonable debate with people whom I feel can be reached, when I encounter the kind of scum whose username is a hark back to nazism and who is clearly beyond recall, well, I tend not to feel insults are needless or unjustified. I hate you f*****s, it's that simple. Careful petal, you'll have a coronary! Seriously though, I thought in your stereotypically bigoted view it was supposed to be me that was full of the proverbial 'hate'.........just take a look at yourself? As stated previously I've looked at BOTH sides of the spectrum, starting from the far-left agenda during my training days but have gradually opened my eyes to reality, "its that simple". I don't blame immigrants for living here, have you ever visited any of the hellholes they come from? Zimbabwe being a prime example since the collapse of Rhodesia. Mugabe has worked wonders for his people just like Mandela in Sth Africa, I don't think! Mind you anything is better than having the nasty horrible white man ruling isn't it, so long as it doesn't ruin your Liberal Left (pipe)dream. Where does this self-hatred come from Chris, were you bullied or made to feel inadequate at school? but I digress......... CynicalShrew states I shouldn't have to justify myself, but I will cos I adamantly state that I have never shown any descrimination in all my years of teaching despite your obvious assumption that I have. Children are innocent the world over, that we are agreed on I hope? My blame lies solely with the treacherous Establishment (politicians & mass media) over the past 5 decades who have sold this country out and saying YES to the EU constitution will be the final nail in the coffin. Grief even Unison pledged to vote NO, in regards saving its members jobs. Look at Germany 5.2 million unemployed, the last time the figure was that high was 1930 and we all know what happened next. What I find truly amazing is that no racial group has such a divide in its solidarity as the white caucasian Examine any other and they literally all stick together. Even the Muslim Council of Great Britain (a contradiction in terms if ever there was one) states there is no such thing as an Islamic terrorist.........maybe it is them that are the real 'racists' that you so despise, after all? What are your opinions of Abu Hamza and his ilk incidently? Another cultural enrichment to our society I expect
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Post by matt on Mar 24, 2005 11:19:10 GMT 1
Aryanimp - what are you trying to blame the "politicians and the mass media" of exactly? if its of trying to create a harmonious multicultural society then i think you are seriously mistaken. just take a look at the bigoted, stereotyped, hate filled, hate creating, drivel that comes out of the pages of the sun, the daily star, the daily mail, the evening standard...on a daily basis. and take a look at the mileage that BOTH the tories and the labour party have gained from using the immigration issue to show who can be 'toughest' on asylum. liberal lefty human rights? don't make me laugh. people like you should be grateful of the added sense of legitimacy that such outrageous posturing has given to your cause. question - who was the last prominant politician to publicly say we were in danger of being "swamped" by immigrants? Enoch Powell perhaps? Maggie Thatcher? Nick Griffin? no, mr weirdy beardy himself, David Blunkett. To suggest that either of the main two parties have not been using immigration in unacceptable ways, bordering on racist to win votes is laughable - check out the measures that blunkett, letwin et al have proposed - The use of such strong-arm tactics as the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act and the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Bill which have both been subject to dispute by Human Rights organisations, proposals from David Blunkett to hold asylum seekers in detention centres, or restricted protection zones serving to perpetuate the myth that asylum seekers are a danger to society, just as proposals from the Conservatives to limit the numbers of asylum seekers and for offshore processing islands serve to de-humanize and alienate them. these are just a few of many examples (believe me i know about this)
Now tell me they are 'bleeding heart liberals'. As Nick Griffin (remember him?) himself said - “The asylum seeker issue has been great for us… it’s been quite fun to watch the government ministers and the Tories play the race card in far cruder terms than we would ever use. This issue legitimises us.” i take it you disagree with him?
i've been reading this thread with some considerable interest and would like to ask yourself and 'cynical shrew' what party do you actually ascribe to? i can be certain it is not the BNP, either that or the two of you are seriously off message or have been hiding in a cupboard for the last twenty years (not impossible). i can only presume that nick griffin's attempts to repackage and professionalise the party over the last few years (using techniques New Labour would be proud of) have been lost on you, and that the message that being outwardly racist is no longer acceptable has passed you by - you're supposed to be cynically gaining our trust in an attempt to get into a position of power before hitting us with your true agenda. don't you even know that yet? i do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2005 11:37:50 GMT 1
If you're all bored of this thread clap your hands
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Post by pawlo on Mar 24, 2005 11:43:30 GMT 1
If you're all bored of this thread clap your hands It may be boring to you sunny, but which is the last thread on here to have 123 replies over 9 pages
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Post by True_Shrew on Mar 24, 2005 12:06:07 GMT 1
It may be boring to you sunny, but which is the last thread on here to have 123 replies over 9 pages The word association game on the youth board Pab
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Post by chrisj on Mar 24, 2005 12:13:09 GMT 1
Careful petal, you'll have a coronary! Seriously though, I thought in your stereotypically bigoted view it was supposed to be me that was full of the proverbial 'hate'.........just take a look at yourself? As stated previously I've looked at BOTH sides of the spectrum, starting from the far-left agenda during my training days but have gradually opened my eyes to reality, "its that simple". I don't blame immigrants for living here, have you ever visited any of the hellholes they come from? Zimbabwe being a prime example since the collapse of Rhodesia. Mugabe has worked wonders for his people just like Mandela in Sth Africa, I don't think! Mind you anything is better than having the nasty horrible white man ruling isn't it, so long as it doesn't ruin your Liberal Left (pipe)dream. Where does this self-hatred come from Chris, were you bullied or made to feel inadequate at school? but I digress......... CynicalShrew states I shouldn't have to justify myself, but I will cos I adamantly state that I have never shown any descrimination in all my years of teaching despite your obvious assumption that I have. Children are innocent the world over, that we are agreed on I hope? My blame lies solely with the treacherous Establishment (politicians & mass media) over the past 5 decades who have sold this country out and saying YES to the EU constitution will be the final nail in the coffin. Grief even Unison pledged to vote NO, in regards saving its members jobs. Look at Germany 5.2 million unemployed, the last time the figure was that high was 1930 and we all know what happened next. What I find truly amazing is that no racial group has such a divide in its solidarity as the white caucasian Examine any other and they literally all stick together. Even the Muslim Council of Great Britain (a contradiction in terms if ever there was one) states there is no such thing as an Islamic terrorist.........maybe it is them that are the real 'racists' that you so despise, after all? What are your opinions of Abu Hamza and his ilk incidently? Another cultural enrichment to our society I expect Short of time so quick points: 1. Not me that's the bigot. I know it's the in thing for nazis to parrot "Liberal bigot", but I'm neither. (I do get tired of having to explain to people that just because I hate racists and fascists I'm neither a liberal or a red, but you have such a simplified world view that you can't really deal with this. Your idea of a left-right 'spectrum' is inadequate to deal with the real complexity of belief.) I judge people solely on their words and actions. You judge by skin colour. 2. No self hate, thanks. I've never made any secret of my loathing for your kind. It's perfectly rational, so danger of a coronary, but thanks for the concern. 3. Not bullied at school - have been beaten up by nazis though. I expect it was my fault and they were just being proud of their race. 4.I don't believe you haven't shown discrimination. You MAY be unaware of it, but more likely you know damn well and this is just another lie. 5.What has the EU beauraucracy to do with me? Are you really arguing that the inadequacies of the political establishment are an excuse for racial discrimination? 6.You rfer back to Nazi Germany as a warning from history, yet you chose a username referring to Hitler's beliefs and your rhetoric is remakably similar. "Sold this country out". Was that Adolf talking about the jews or you talking about the democrats? 7. The Muslim Council of Great Britain is only a contradiction in terms if you believe either that muslims have no place in Britain, or that you are onee of those ill-informed people who believe that 'Great' is a signifier of status, rather than a geographical term including the islands of the archipelago, and that 'we' can't be great with 'them' here. The MCGB has, incidentally, condemned terrorism; their view that there is 'no such thing as an Islamic terrorist' is making the point that taking innocent life is forbidden by the Q'ran and therefore 'un-Islamic'. Shame more people don't take that view, but there you go. 8.No, your lot are the 'real racists'; Abu Hamza and his cronies are nasty, narrow-minded religious bigots. You'd probably get on with him if you met; you could deny the holocaust together. Have a sh!t day!
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 27, 2005 20:14:07 GMT 1
Well Ladies and Gentlemen, 8 pages and 111 replies ago i asked cynical shrew 5 straight forward, non revealing everyday kind of questions in a non threatening, non judgemental way. Why on earth should I answer questions about the minutae of my personal life. I know Liberal-bigots believe religously that anyone who deviates from the official line is mentally ill, immotal, hate-filled etc. BNP members and supporters are ordinary people who come from all walks of life, and who risk losing their livelyhoods because of their political affillliations. Dagenham & Barking parliamentary candidate Richard Barnbrook (one to watch in polling day!) was sacked from all sorts of voluntary work, including being a youthworker in Lewisham of all places. Julie Day, a care-worker in Leeds had just an extraordinary audit of her work carried out, thankfully she has been kept on by the coucil. That nasty nazi Jackie Griffin (wife of Nick) is a district nurse. Compare and contrast her line of work to Cherie Blair's as a 'human rights' lawyer, earning vast amounts of money via the taxpayer for arguing the case for illegal immigrants, or for the right to wear a hajib at school.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 27, 2005 20:21:08 GMT 1
Don't know what came over me then. Up the Socialist Workers, you do know that I'm not serious about all this right wing bullshít, don't you?
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Post by jamo on Mar 27, 2005 20:36:02 GMT 1
Cynical shrew: The post that as just been removed contained wildly inaccurate statements about a case that is still open to legal appeal. As usual your are wide of the mark. I know because i have a professional involvement in the matter, as do West Mercia Police. If you repeat those allegations i will ensure that the matter is reported to the relevant authority. There will then be no hiding place for your cowardly comments.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Mar 27, 2005 20:44:27 GMT 1
Cynical shrew: The post that as just been removed contained wildly inaccurate statements about a case that is still open to legal appeal. As usual your are wide of the mark. I know because i have a professional involvement in the matter, as do West Mercia Police. If you repeat those allegations i will ensure that the matter is reported to the relevant authority. There will then be no hiding place for your cowardly comments. Thought I got it off before anyone read it Well said Al I think it broke 4 rules of this board in one post.
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Post by Bilbo on Mar 27, 2005 20:47:23 GMT 1
You beat me to it Andrew I was just about to do it and it had gone
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Post by chrisj on Mar 27, 2005 21:51:07 GMT 1
Why on earth should I answer questions about the minutae of my personal life. I know Liberal-bigots believe religously that anyone who deviates from the official line is mentally ill, immotal, hate-filled etc. Change the record, it's scratched. No-one asked about 'minutae'[sic]. Try, if you can, to write one sentence that doesn't contain a spelling error, or the phrase 'liberal-bigot'. Bet you can't. BNP members and supporters are ordinary people who come from all walks of life, and who risk losing their livelyhoods because of their political affillliations. And most black and Asian people, most asylum seekers, most refugees and most other immigrants are ordinary people who come from all walks of life and are subject to abuse, assault, and intimidation from BNP types. I'm sure they'd prosper if you ever got elected though! That nasty nazi Jackie Griffin (wife of Nick) is a district nurse. Compare and contrast her line of work to Cherie Blair's as a 'human rights' lawyer, earning vast amounts of money via the taxpayer for arguing the case for illegal immigrants, or for the right to wear a hajib at school. And Mengele was an overworked doctor. So Cherie has her snout in the trough. This justifies racism? So Mrs Griffin is a district nurse (doubtless in an area where she won't be faced with any difficult decisions over how to treat black patients). This justifies racism? Silly me: in Cynical's narrow little word, everything justifies racism. Despite your convenient (if welcome) disappearance, I haven't forgotten I asked some questions and posed some arguments you've been avoiding answering. Still waiting, Chicken Boy...
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Post by chrisj on Mar 27, 2005 21:58:03 GMT 1
If you're all bored of this thread clap your hands Don't read it then. Me, I get bored with people who haven't the wit to notice really important things happening in front of them. If there's ever a board policy that deletes all non-football, non-STFC topics straight away, there'll be no need for people to stand up to fascists, but most people on here seeem to want a bit more variety than that. Nazis don't go away if you ignore them, they take silence to be tacit assent to their views.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Mar 27, 2005 22:01:59 GMT 1
Don't read it then. Me, I get bored with people who haven't the wit to notice really important things happening in front of them. If there's ever a board policy that deletes all non-football, non-STFC topics straight away, there'll be no need for people to stand up to fascists, but most people on here seeem to want a bit more variety than that. Nazis don't go away if you ignore them, they take silence to be tacit assent to their views. Dont be too harsh on the young lad Chris, Geoff that is. Good Post by the way, as always
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Post by chrisj on Mar 28, 2005 9:46:03 GMT 1
Dont be too harsh on the young lad Chris, Geoff that is. Good Post by the way, as always Ta HHS. Young is he? Ah well, then I shouldn't have been so quick on the trigger,apologies. I'm a bit hacked off 'cos I had all sorts of plans for this week and I'm coming down with some lurgi. Geoff mate, trust me, it really does matter.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 29, 2005 17:34:57 GMT 1
Cynical shrew: The post that as just been removed contained wildly inaccurate statements about a case that is still open to legal appeal. As usual your are wide of the mark. I know because i have a professional involvement in the matter, as do West Mercia Police. If you repeat those allegations i will ensure that the matter is reported to the relevant authority. There will then be no hiding place for your cowardly comments. I merely repeated what had been reported in the Star. Countless social stats (most tellingly illegitimacy) show that inter-racial relationships aren't all hunky urban professionals with freckled blond wives. Perhaps the papers are not too bad, at least they cover these sorts of cases and identify the accused - unlike Moronica (try googling Amren + Wichita). So people who think for themselves are able to compare the DFS-ad world of official propoganda to the grim reality. Better than the BBC who told us that the poor girl in the recent Basildon case had a good description of her attacker but daren't share it with us. People are starting to note what is unsaid in these instances anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2005 17:40:54 GMT 1
I merely repeated what had been reported in the Star. Countless social stats (most tellingly illegitimacy) show that inter-racial relationships aren't all hunky urban professionals with freckled blond wives. Perhaps the papers are not too bad, at least they cover these sorts of cases and identify the accused - unlike Moronica (try googling Amren + Wichita). So people who think for themselves are able to compare the DFS-ad world of official propoganda to the grim reality. Better than the BBC who told us that the poor girl in the recent Basildon case had a good description of her attacker but daren't share it with us. People are starting to note what is unsaid in these instances anyway. Ah the old Black on White crime stats eh? Which always neglect to mention the stastical importance of the fact that White are dominant in this country. Therefore, the Basildon case you refer to is as relevant to your argument as Jonathan King's crimes.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 29, 2005 17:42:13 GMT 1
ChrisJ:
You're asking me about my personal life had two motives.
Since you thin it irrelevent what vocation BNP members have, I can only assume that your a rather more serious case, and that you are trying to figure out who I am personally. Any which way I'm not answering those sorts of questions.
As for the rest, well I've kept up with debate on every thread so far. This BBS, with about a hundred threads started a day and no subtopics isn't exactly conducive to devate when one logs onto a PC one day in three.
Once again you resort to smearing and lies. Where are the BNP members "abusing, assaulting and intimidating" immigrants (aside from the odd idiot entrapped into mouthing off). Can't find such stories in the press, who have to resort to attacking the BNP's choice of printer, ore even Searchliar, whose 'exposes' include - and I kid you not - that Nick Cass could be bad tempered when he played squash!
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 29, 2005 17:47:37 GMT 1
Since I can't edit and really must go and make dinner:
Motive one should have been that lib-bigs believe all who disagree with them are mentally-ill, inadequate etc.
Revealing details of my personal life (the sort you were hoping for: I'm a dustman, I'm into Dungeons & Dragons, I don't have a girlfriend) would instantly reveal I am such a "sad" individual I was and score an easy victory.
Modern leftism rhetorical tactic lies with shouting ludly that your opponents are evil and/or mad. And that's it.
Devised by the Frankfurt School, who were you-know whats and left Germany because of you-know-who. Amazing how their thoughts have taken over Gentile minds.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2005 18:09:14 GMT 1
To be honest, I'm a bit bored of it all too. I recognise it's important as I think Cynical Shrew has got it all wrong but sometimes you can get a bit of an over-load. W
e all know he's in the vast minority and I believe, honestly, that people like him are becoming more and more of a minority in our society (there's some sort of irony in that I'm sure) but sometimes it can be best to let it lie. If no one replies then the owd lad probably won't have anything to reply to - although I understand I'm being somewhat hypocritical posting that!!
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Mar 29, 2005 18:16:49 GMT 1
hree. Once again you resort to smearing and lies. Where are the BNP members "abusing, assaulting and intimidating" immigrants (aside from the odd idiot entrapped into mouthing off). Can't find such stories in the press, Try this lot www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/rac-s28.shtml
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 29, 2005 18:28:43 GMT 1
Anything related to the BNP in that article, apart from the innuendo. You should come to a meeting sometime. I know lib-bigs never want their preconceptions challenged but a group of middle-aged people discussing politics is the boring reality. Sells fewer papers and scares less of the sheeple than stories of 'Nazis', however.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Mar 29, 2005 18:35:56 GMT 1
Anything related to the BNP in that article, apart from the innuendo. . Can you read Try this Before this happened we were getting BNP [British National Party] cards left outside the house and I think what has happened has added more fuel to the fire.”
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Post by pawlo on Mar 29, 2005 18:43:52 GMT 1
You should come to a meeting sometime. I know lib-bigs never want their preconceptions challenged but a group of middle-aged people discussing politics is the boring reality. Sells fewer papers and scares less of the sheeple than stories of 'Nazis', however. We cant come to meetings cos they are top secret remember. You are all too affraid that someone will turn up and say, "blacks and asians are no different to you and me". Can you imagine the confusion, they will all immediately log onto their BNP websites to try and get some guidance, come up with a sophisticated retende, and promptly walk out of their tent scratching their heads muttering" no different? but nick griffin said...", before all meeting up later for a glass of ginger beer. Yes im a "lib big" Yes im "projecting" FormedableDoes adding french words and using italix make me look as interlectual as genital shrew?
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Post by chrisj on Mar 29, 2005 22:17:49 GMT 1
ChrisJ: You're asking me about my personal life had two motives. Since you thin it irrelevent what vocation BNP members have, I can only assume that your a rather more serious case, and that you are trying to figure out who I am personally. Any which way I'm not answering those sorts of questions. As for the rest, well I've kept up with debate on every thread so far. This BBS, with about a hundred threads started a day and no subtopics isn't exactly conducive to devate when one logs onto a PC one day in three. Once again you resort to smearing and lies. Where are the BNP members "abusing, assaulting and intimidating" immigrants (aside from the odd idiot entrapped into mouthing off). Can't find such stories in the press, who have to resort to attacking the BNP's choice of printer, ore even Searchliar, whose 'exposes' include - and I kid you not - that Nick Cass could be bad tempered when he played squash! I never asked for personal details; don't flatter yourself I'm that interested in you. I'm referring to the questions you persistently avoid answering concerning your beliefs (because you want people to think you're some sort of harmless patriot, not a foul racist) and the internal illogic and inconsistencies in your arguments. I don't 'smear' (bit tabloid for a graduate?); I don't lie - you're far more accomplished in that field than I could be. You don't really want more facts (you're not as clever as you think you are, but you're not so stupid as to want the members of this board seeing the truth as that would be a little inconvenient for you). However so that others don't feel there is a lack of substance, here's a few names: Terry Collins - convicted of 5 yr campaign of violence, intimidation and abuse Brian Turner Burnley BNP councillor who is awaiting sentencing after pleading guilty last week to beating up his wife and assaulting a police officer. Tony Lecomber: top BNP official. Three years jail for nailbomb plot and three years for stabbing a Jewish teacher. 12 convictions in all. Kevin Scott: north east BNP organiser. Convictions for assault and threatening behaviour. Paul Harris: Barnsley BNP council candidate. Convicted of using threatening behaviour towards a pensioner. Jason Douglas: leading Greater London BNP candidate. Convicted football hooligan. Warren Bennett: BNP chief steward. Convicted football hooligan. Stephen Belshaw: Amber Valley BNP candidate. Convicted of attacking a Jewish solicitor. Colin Smith: south east London BNP organiser.17 convictions including burglary, car theft, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer. Darren Dobson: Oldham BNP council candidate. Convicted of racially aggravated assault. Frank Forte: Waltham Forest BNP member. Convicted of actual bodily harm. Paul Thompson: former Durham and Darlington BNP organiser. Convicted of criminal damage and for violence. Neil Keilty: BNP member. Convictions for possessing an offensive weapon and threatening behaviour. Gary Mitchell: former Sunderland BNP secretary. Convicted of racist attacks and possession of offensive weaponry. David Hannam, Hull BNP organiser. Imprisoned for three months in 2000 for distributing material likely to incite racial hatred. Mick Treacy, BNP organiser for Oldham. Five convictions for violence, threatening behaviour and possession of stolen property. Robert Bennett, Oldham BNP's one-time leafleting organiser . Convicted gang rapist and armed robber. In total 37 convictions. Dean Wilson. String of convictions, including 12 years imprisonment in 1994 for robbery, kidnapping, false imprisonment and firearms offences (reduced to 8 years on appeal). In 2002, sentenced to a further 21 months for assault. Joey Owens, imprisoned twice, firstly for sending razor blades in the post to members of Liverpool's Jewish community; more recently, for possession of CS gas and knuckle-dusters. Kevin Scott, BNP organiser for Tyneside. Convictions for assault and for using threatening words and behaviour against Asians. Simon Biggs, served time for racial attacks. Gary Mitchell, serving 10 years for rape and burglary. Stephen Belshaw, BNP Regional organiser for the East Midlands. Convicted of violent disorder for an attack on a Mansfield solicitor. Colin Smith. BNP Regional organiser for South East London. Multiple convictions, including possession of an offensive weapon. Andy McLorie. BNP Regional organiser for Ulster. Sentenced to two years in jail following a petrol bomb attack. Graham Tasker, BNP Branch organiser for Chesterfield. 1989 - Six months custody for an attack on a black woman.1993 - Convicted of violent disorder for an attack on a Mansfield solicitor. 1992 - Active in the Ku Klux Klan, burning crosses in Derbyshire. 1992-1993 - Activist with C18 both in the East Midlands and in London. Mark Matthews aka Mark Payne. BNP Branch organiser for Coventry. Runs nazi bookclub. Signs letters 88 - for Heil Hitler.His PO Box is used for the West Midlands chapter of Blood and Honour, a nazi skinhead group. Do I really have to go on... I could, but I'm swimming at 6.30 in the morning and not even you will get in the way of that. To anticipate that not all these people are BNP - most are and the shared beliefs between the BNP and other nazis are undeniable. 20 minutes on 'Stormfront' is all anyone needs to see. www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=91Try not to vomit while you read it folks.
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