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Post by Aryanimp on Mar 21, 2005 22:46:08 GMT 1
Never thought i would here you say Race is not an Issue. But to answer your question/statement, I will make this pledge in all seriousness. If this person who abused the kid is not expelled from the Labour Party, I promise I will vote Conservative at the Election. Of coarse my sanity is quite secure because he will be, of that i am certain. Now what about your criminals?
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Post by Aryanimp on Mar 21, 2005 22:55:38 GMT 1
Never thought i would here you say Race is not an Issue. But to answer your question/statement, I will make this pledge in all seriousness. If this person who abused the kid is not expelled from the Labour Party, I promise I will vote Conservative at the Election. Of coarse my sanity is quite secure because he will be, of that i am certain. Now what about your criminals? Apologies for the previous 'post' slip, To answer your question, yes in an ideal world I would rather there were no convicted criminals within the Party, but sometimes 'the law is an ass' and should we sign up to the EU Constitution (i.e. the country votes YES......heaven forbid) I feel that statement will become more prevalent. The reason I vote Nationalist is because of the Policies just like you SP, because I can't believe for a minute you're a fan of BLiar and his cronies.........then again Clarke & Blinkett (he'll be back unfortunately) were Marxists, just like you're good self?
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 21, 2005 23:28:48 GMT 1
Is mis-spelling Labour politicians names wrong a political statement or ignorance?
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Post by pawlo on Mar 21, 2005 23:37:35 GMT 1
Apologies for the previous 'post' slip, To answer your question, yes in an ideal world I would rather there were no convicted criminals within the Party, but sometimes 'the law is an ass' and should we sign up to the EU Constitution (i.e. the country votes YES......heaven forbid) I feel that statement will become more prevalent. The reason I vote Nationalist is because of the Policies just like you SP, because I can't believe for a minute you're a fan of BLiar and his cronies.........then again Clarke & Blinkett (he'll be back unfortunately) were Marxists, just like you're good self? Thats ok, accidents happen. So, by saying the Law is an ass, does that mean that in your opinion, "in an ideal world" griffin and the other thugs would not be allowed into main stream politics? Yes actually, i do like Tony and his cronies, or Tonys cronies which ever suites you best. And yes, i even like clarke and blunket, and yes they were marxists, but last time i checked being a marxist wasnt a criminal offence, unlike insiting racial hatred and acts of violence. Maybe one day it will, but not now. Actually no i wouldnt call myself a marxist, im not gifted with enough intelligence to understand that kind of stuff, read "wage labour and capital" once, and never really understood the point. But i do support Labour, the under pinning principles ( although you and a few others would disagree ) of equality and of the strong helping the weak appeal to me. I think that is the way a civilised society should conduct itself. I guess you disagree because your underlying principles are that being white means you are superior to someone who isnt. Dont know what your other principles are but i know they stand for hatred and division which is not the basis for a civilised society.
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Post by Aryanimp on Mar 21, 2005 23:51:40 GMT 1
Is mis-spelling Labour politicians names wrong a political statement or ignorance? Yes, I believe Tony B is a liar and cannot be trusted.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Mar 21, 2005 23:54:22 GMT 1
Meet Jennifer Griffin. You'll probably be seeing a bit more of her as she's the daughter of BNP leader Nick Griffin and they will be using her in their party political broadcasts for the forthcoming elections. Like many BNP members, she doesn't seem very bright. She was interviewed during filming for one of the TV slots. 'How do I know we have enough immigrants in this country?' she asked. 'I saw proof of it today: quite literally, me and the film crew were the only white faces on the street. They were all Asians or coloured people, and that tells me this country is full up.' Jennifer is not certain where she was filming. 'Somewhere "Green",' she hesitates. 'Green Lanes?' She has an excuse to be confused: she has never been to London before. She admits she has no idea that Green Lanes is a key centre of London's Asian community. She adds that she had thought it was representative of the whole city, if not all of England.
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Post by Aryanimp on Mar 22, 2005 0:17:47 GMT 1
I guess you disagree because your underlying principles are that being white means you are superior to someone who isnt. Dont know what your other principles are but i know they stand for hatred and division which is not the basis for a civilised society. I do not believe myself to be superior and don't 'hate' anybody that isn't white caucasian. Accusing me of such a thing is like me accusing you of self-hatred. In fact this 'racism' works both ways but is rarely reported as such i.e. Stephen Lawrence & Kriss Donald murders. Yes, I would put an end to immigration and the scandal of bogus asylum seekers flooding Britain. I would use the billions wasted on the EU and foriegn aid (to despot regimes, the needy rarely receive it) to fund generous 'Homeward Bound' schemes to encourage immigrants to return to their land of 'ethnic' origin. Whilst I disagree with your Political viewpoint, we do still live in a democracy and I respect your view. I just feel that in years to come our grandchildren will not thank us, what with the ever growing Islamification of our country. How many on this board will openly be celebrating St Georges Day I wonder? Salopia like Lincolnshire may be 'safe' and idyllic today, but why is this? I have worked in places like Leicester, Bradford and Brum, trust me they are not places I'd recommend living in. 'Embrace' as we are constantly told to do by the Liberal Left in my book just means 'Surrender'.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2005 0:45:43 GMT 1
How many on this board will openly be celebrating St Georges Day I wonder? Put me down as a 'maybe'.
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Post by pawlo on Mar 22, 2005 0:48:55 GMT 1
I do not believe myself to be superior and don't 'hate' anybody that isn't white caucasian. Accusing me of such a thing is like me accusing you of self-hatred. In fact this 'racism' works both ways but is rarely reported as such i.e. Stephen Lawrence & Kriss Donald murders. Yes, I would put an end to immigration and the scandal of bogus asylum seekers flooding Britain. I would use the billions wasted on the EU and foriegn aid (to despot regimes, the needy rarely receive it) to fund generous 'Homeward Bound' schemes to encourage immigrants to return to their land of 'ethnic' origin. Whilst I disagree with your Political viewpoint, we do still live in a democracy and I respect your view. I just feel that in years to come our grandchildren will not thank us, what with the ever growing Islamification of our country. How many on this board will openly be celebrating St Georges Day I wonder? Salopia like Lincolnshire may be 'safe' and idyllic today, but why is this? I have worked in places like Leicester, Bradford and Brum, trust me they are not places I'd recommend living in. 'Embrace' as we are constantly told to do by the Liberal Left in my book just means 'Surrender'. So why all the snide remarks about coloured players. Why on just about every thread you make a "contribution" to, do you try and make a race angle. Why dont you make a distinction between blacks and asians who have lived in this country for 50 years, and those who have just arrived, why do you not make a distinction between illegal immigration and legal entry into this country. Why do you talk about what a bad thing it is that blacks/asians blood mixes with whites. When i think about people like Shaun wright phillips i think, "good player, may well be great one day", tell me, what do you think. My Grandson will always love me. One thing i can guarantee, is that he will not be thanking the likes of you and your party. I wont be celebrating St Georges Day, im not a patriot, i make no bones about it. Go back 100 years, how many people in this country celebrated St Georges Day, See my point. We are not in general a nation of patriots, its got nothing to do with immigrants. Thankfully, we do not share americas passion for kissing our own arses. Besides, wasnt St George an immigrant. Wasnt he from what is now Turkey? That really does sum up the rediculousness of your arguement.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Mar 22, 2005 0:52:39 GMT 1
Whats it like to have no mind of your own? Do you have to write everything as if it comes from the BNP book on how to convert?
Do I and many other celebrate being British/English yes, I'm proud of my country, of being able to see an muslim lady hug and greet a non muslim friend, to chat, pass the time of day with an Irag gent, to see a group of multi race teenagers laughing and joking and having fun together, to damn right I celebrate being British/English, everyday.
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Post by pawlo on Mar 22, 2005 0:59:14 GMT 1
Whats it like to have no mind of your own? Do you have to write everything as if it comes from the BNP book on how to convert? Do I and many other celebrate being British/English yes, I'm proud of my country, of being able to see an muslim lady hug and greet a non muslim friend, to chat, pass the time of day with an Irag gent, to see a group of multi race teenagers laughing and joking and having fun together, to damn right I celebrate being British/English, everyday. Excellent post
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Post by Aryanimp on Mar 22, 2005 1:07:53 GMT 1
So why all the snide remarks about coloured players. Why on just about every thread you make a "contribution" to, do you try and make a race angle. Hold on a mo, I think you have me mixed up with someone else.......... I only visited this board before our match on Sat. I have never made a snide remark about a black player on here or any other site thank-you. Our present manager is black and is proving to be the best manager Lincoln City have had since Colin Murphy 20 years ago. As for Shaun Wright-Phillips........top class potentially. As for St Georges Day........why not, what are you ashamed of? The Irish celebrate St Patricks, The Welsh, St Davids and The Scots, St Andrews........and rightly so! Why not the English?
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Post by timgallon on Mar 22, 2005 1:11:04 GMT 1
It seems lately this board is forever going round in circles about racism.
Let's face it peoples views are entrenched on this subject, nothing said on hear is going to change that.
Let's just move on.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 22, 2005 1:14:41 GMT 1
It seems lately this board is forever going round in circles about racism. Let's face it peoples views are entrenched on this subject, nothing said on hear is going to change that. Let's just move on. No, let's keep debating it Let's listen to different opinions and make informed decisions
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Post by timgallon on Mar 22, 2005 1:17:55 GMT 1
No, let's keep debating it Let's listen to different opinions and make informed decisions OK my contribution to the "debate" is this type of thread is boring the pants outta me ;D and my decsion is never to read any of these threads again
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 22, 2005 1:22:38 GMT 1
OK my contribution to the "debate" is this type of thread is boring the pants outta me ;D and my decsion is never to read any of these threads again Quite within your rights sir! as long as you aren't viewing this pitched up in an illegally parked caravan steeling electricity off the national grid
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Post by Jonah on Mar 22, 2005 7:52:35 GMT 1
'Do I and many other celebrate being British/English yes, I'm proud of my country, of being able to see an muslim lady hug and greet a non muslim friend, to chat, pass the time of day with an Irag gent, to see a group of multi race teenagers laughing and joking and having fun together, to damn right I celebrate being British/English, everyday' Bloody hell does this really go on down in Meole village.! Instead of community pitches why dont we build a Mosque? Instead of burgers maybe one of the vans could sell prayer mats instead Everyone to their own view but Aryanimp has made some good points without resorting to insults. Might be worth a few of travelling down the A10 through Tottenham etc. Real eye opener from us who are protected from race issues up here. Meoleshrew travel to Walsall and ask the Pakistani youth how they feel about the Jamacian youth.Damn sure you wont seee then socialising on street corners.
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Post by chrisj on Mar 22, 2005 8:21:05 GMT 1
'Do I and many other celebrate being British/English yes, I'm proud of my country, of being able to see an muslim lady hug and greet a non muslim friend, to chat, pass the time of day with an Irag gent, to see a group of multi race teenagers laughing and joking and having fun together, to damn right I celebrate being British/English, everyday' Bloody hell does this really go on down in Meole village.! Instead of community pitches why dont we build a Mosque? Instead of burgers maybe one of the vans could sell prayer mats instead Everyone to their own view but Aryanimp has made some good points without resorting to insults. Might be worth a few of travelling down the A10 through Tottenham etc. Real eye opener from us who are protected from race issues up here. Meoleshrew travel to Walsall and ask the Pakistani youth how they feel about the Jamacian youth.Damn sure you wont seee then socialising on street corners. Jonah's back, and still spouting bollox. The Gimp hasn't made any good points because he's telling lies - lies about immigration, lies about asylum, lies about race and lies about the true nature of the BNP. They have this tactic of trying to appear reasonable but the mask slips from time to time. www.searchlightmagazine.com/stopthebnp/uncovered/pg06.htmHaven't you noticed that neither Cynical or the Gimp will answer any of my questions? Don't believe everything you read. I'm not 'protected from race issues' where I live, and I'm fine with it.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Mar 22, 2005 10:11:37 GMT 1
'Do I and many other celebrate being British/English yes, I'm proud of my country, of being able to see an muslim lady hug and greet a non muslim friend, to chat, pass the time of day with an Irag gent, to see a group of multi race teenagers laughing and joking and having fun together, to damn right I celebrate being British/English, everyday' Bloody hell does this really go on down in Meole village.! Instead of community pitches why dont we build a Mosque? Instead of burgers maybe one of the vans could sell prayer mats instead Everyone to their own view but Aryanimp has made some good points without resorting to insults. Might be worth a few of travelling down the A10 through Tottenham etc. Real eye opener from us who are protected from race issues up here. Meoleshrew travel to Walsall and ask the Pakistani youth how they feel about the Jamacian youth.Damn sure you wont seee then socialising on street corners. Who said anything about Meole Village Jonah, I travel with my eyes open, good job really as I'm driving most of the time, There are sections of Peterborough the same, Leicester, Edinburgh and on and on, sad isnt it. Your right we are protected from race issues up here, so we have a brilliant place to start with educating people that different is not bad, on all sides! Asda is a hotbed of multi culturism, as is Meole. Honest question Jonah would you class yourslf as a Conservative? just interested.
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Post by theriverside on Mar 22, 2005 11:15:48 GMT 1
Honest question Jonah would you class yourslf as a Conservative? just interested. You getting the rifles ready in case he answers 'yes'? It seems to be up there with war crimes, admitting to being a Conservative these days on here. Clearly generalisations about one political party are OK, but not on the other foot (not specifically aiming that at you Meole Shrew). I'll be a Conservative voter on May 5th (we all know the date already ), but that doesn't make me a racist, bigot or uncaring of the needy.
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Post by pawlo on Mar 22, 2005 11:40:42 GMT 1
So why all the snide remarks about coloured players. Why on just about every thread you make a "contribution" to, do you try and make a race angle. Hold on a mo, I think you have me mixed up with someone else.......... I only visited this board before our match on Sat. I have never made a snide remark about a black player on here or any other site thank-you. Our present manager is black and is proving to be the best manager Lincoln City have had since Colin Murphy 20 years ago. As for Shaun Wright-Phillips........top class potentially. As for St Georges Day........why not, what are you ashamed of? The Irish celebrate St Patricks, The Welsh, St Davids and The Scots, St Andrews........and rightly so! Why not the English? It seems I owe you an apology Aryanimp. I thought you were our resident BNP member Cynical Shrew who doesnt register with us, just posts as a guest and has been known to post under different names from time to time. Sorry St Georges Day then. He was an immogrant yes. Im not saying for a moment that people cant celebrate St Goerges Day, go ahead, fine by me. But you cant force people can you. Can you give me a reason why i should. Like i said, im not a patriot, im not that way inclined. I think most people in England dont see themselves as English ( unless for sporting reasons), we see ourselves as British. Britian is still one of the most powerfull and influential countries in the world, and for its size, i would say the most powerfull. We dont need to spend a day slapping ourselves on the back because our power and influence are visible all over the world. Wales, Scotland and Ireland however ( and no offence anyone), are small, insignificant plots of land that are totally powerless once taken outside the "British" framework, so perhaps they feel the need to spend a day every year telling themselves how great they are as a nation,cos no one else does. How do you celebrate St Georges day. How do you define British/English? Let me ask you a question. If you were celebrating St Georges Day and you organised a parade through Lincoln. You have a group of Old Soldiers who fought for us in the War but just happened to be black, would you invite them to join your parade?
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Post by pawlo on Mar 22, 2005 11:51:28 GMT 1
You getting the rifles ready in case he answers 'yes'? It seems to be up there with war crimes, admitting to being a Conservative these days on here. Clearly generalisations about one political party are OK, but not on the other foot (not specifically aiming that at you Meole Shrew). I'll be a Conservative voter on May 5th (we all know the date already ), but that doesn't make me a racist, bigot or uncaring of the needy. Me niether. I have said on previous threads that I would never vote Conservative and do not hold any kind of nasty agenda against anyone who does, being a lefty, i just find it hard to understand why anyone would. Although i spout left wing stuff and love debating it, i have more then once been turned inside out by people who have given damn good reasons why they vote one way or another, and this is what makes our country special, cos we can talk like this, regardless of age, colour or gender. I have a problem however, with people who cant see beyond the colour of someones skin.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Mar 22, 2005 12:52:32 GMT 1
The Conservative thing is out of interest, nothing to do with racism at all......leave that to the Peeeeeples man
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Post by theriverside on Mar 22, 2005 12:54:21 GMT 1
Me niether. I have said on previous threads that I would never vote Conservative and do not hold any kind of nasty agenda against anyone who does, being a lefty, i just find it hard to understand why anyone would. Although i spout left wing stuff and love debating it, i have more then once been turned inside out by people who have given damn good reasons why they vote one way or another, and this is what makes our country special, cos we can talk like this, regardless of age, colour or gender. I have a problem however, with people who cant see beyond the colour of someones skin. Swop the 'left wing' for 'right wing' Pab and I'm in absolute agreement with that
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Post by Jonah guest on Mar 22, 2005 13:35:50 GMT 1
Get out of bed the wrong side did we Chrisj?? Lost your sense of humour have we?? Just because I happen not to agree with your view its bollo* is it??
Fine if thats your opinion but at least have the decency to reply without the insults.
Have you by any chance driven down the A10 lately? Never forget my 11 year old coming out with 'Why are there no white people Dad' last time I did it.
Secondly give me your expert insight into race relation between Blacks and Pakistanis in Walsall please. Be interested to see if you understand the full implication of todays multi racial youth and how they see the future.
Meoleshrew this has nothing to do with who I vote for.I personally cant see much difference between Blair and the Tories. Afterall Labour has moved significantly away from being the party of the people hasnt it. Stealth tax,lies,spin does it really adhere itself to the voting public anymore.
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Post by pawlo on Mar 22, 2005 13:46:09 GMT 1
Never forget my 11 year old coming out with 'Why are there no white people Dad' last time I did it. Kids always come out with snippets like that, bless em. The important/relevant point is how you answered him.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Mar 22, 2005 13:48:58 GMT 1
Cheers for answering, question wasnt about what way you would vote, some people consider themselves to be what they vote, some just listen to all the twaddle then vote, like I said it was just out of interest.
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Post by pawlo on Mar 22, 2005 13:55:49 GMT 1
some people consider themselves to be what they vote, Some people are what they eat, yes, i am a 16 stone kebeb
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Mar 22, 2005 13:57:31 GMT 1
Some people are what they eat, yes, i am a 16 stone kebeb That makes me a ** stone mint imperial ;D
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