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Post by JP NLI on Mar 18, 2005 22:49:46 GMT 1
Thats poor worrying than my gay poster
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 19, 2005 18:27:08 GMT 1
Oh right, didnt realise when you said party meet what you meant In that case i would rather chew my leg off. Why is it so secretive. And exactly what party do you belong to. Cant be the BNP cos they are "main stream" now, so recriutement would be a bit difficult if your not allowed to say when and where you all meet up Many Labour Party meetings been attacked by violent anti-democrats, or raided by police?
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 19, 2005 18:27:46 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2005 18:35:58 GMT 1
"But why would the Police, obviously being paid with taxpayers’ money, be chasing up the local venues and meeting places of our local BNP unit’s lawful and legal meetings, when there are apparently 200 Al Qaeda terrorists on the loose in Britain?" Yes, fully agree. Get that Dorset bobby back in his bike and set him off 'terrorist chasing' immediately. What on earth is a Dorset policeman doing investigating something in Dorset anyway? I also note that almost £500 was raised. It certainly is full steam ahead isn't it.
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Post by chrisj on Mar 19, 2005 18:38:06 GMT 1
Still waiting for answers....
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Post by pawlo on Mar 19, 2005 18:44:58 GMT 1
Many Labour Party meetings been attacked by violent anti-democrats, or raided by police? And yet they still have the courage to meet openly not hide behind a shield of secrecy I used to be an active member of the Labour party/Young Socialists. Attended many party meetings, both ward and constituency, on most occassions the most interesting thing that happened was when a union rep would disagree with policy. Call the molitia ;D
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Post by chrisj on Mar 20, 2005 13:12:05 GMT 1
I used to be an active member of the Labour party/Young Socialists. Attended many party meetings, both ward and constituency, on most occassions the most interesting thing that happened was when a union rep would disagree with policy. Call the molitia ;D Ah the old YS. Used to meet in the top room of the Labour Club. Mike E. (I thinks he's Notts Shrew) was our glorious leader/treasurer/hon. sec. Were you there the same time as me? ('82-84.)
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 20, 2005 15:32:23 GMT 1
I'm confused.
Nothing ever happened at your Socialist meetings, and their were no potential for losing your job, physical attack or worse, but you think that those who stand true to their beliefs lack courage for taking sensible precautions to avoid trouble (especially since sections of the media will blame the BNP for causing trouble when their own members are attacked!)?
Typical lefty double-standards I guess. Shame the public are starting to see through it...
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Post by pawlo on Mar 20, 2005 21:46:44 GMT 1
I'm confused. Nothing ever happened at your Socialist meetings, and their were no potential for losing your job, physical attack or worse, but you think that those who stand true to their beliefs lack courage for taking sensible precautions to avoid trouble (especially since sections of the media will blame the BNP for causing trouble when their own members are attacked!)? Typical lefty double-standards I guess. Shame the public are starting to see through it... Not being funny CS, but isnt it a bit rich for you to be bemoaning the fact that your organisation is subject to violence, when your organisation is built on violence. ChrisJ Joined the Young Socialists in I think it was 85-86. We started a new branch at the time im sure. We held the first meeting in the big room with the fancy wooden roof at the Labour Club in Abbey Foregate. Councillor Russel Price joined the same time as me. I was also a member of the General Management Committee and Executive Committe The upstairs room, was it a dark, pokey little room with a small bar. Was always a bloke called Brian Wiggington ( postmans union i think) always giving it some, very out spoken. But it was the time when Labour was really split between the modernisers ( Tony Freeman?) and militant ( Peter Kelly?) They had also just launched a womens section, remember a very nice lady called Claire David? Not entirely sure if our MP wasnt something to do with the YS at the time to. God them were the days.
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Post by ChrisJ NLI on Mar 21, 2005 9:04:24 GMT 1
Not being funny CS, but isnt it a bit rich for you to be bemoaning the fact that your organisation is subject to violence, when your organisation is built on violence. ChrisJ Joined the Young Socialists in I think it was 85-86. We started a new branch at the time im sure. We held the first meeting in the big room with the fancy wooden roof at the Labour Club in Abbey Foregate. Councillor Russel Price joined the same time as me. I was also a member of the General Management Committee and Executive Committe The upstairs room, was it a dark, pokey little room with a small bar. Was always a bloke called Brian Wiggington ( postmans union i think) always giving it some, very out spoken. But it was the time when Labour was really split between the modernisers ( Tony Freeman?) and militant ( Peter Kelly?) They had also just launched a womens section, remember a very nice lady called Claire David? Not entirely sure if our MP wasnt something to do with the YS at the time to. God them were the days. Nice one. Think you're a couple of yrs younger than me then. I moved down to Ciderland in '84. Don't remember too many names (too much interference with the brain chemistry in the intervening years I fear) , but some of those you're mentioning are ringing bells. There was a YS before '85, but Mike was the driving force and when he went off to Uni(?) it drifted to a halt.
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Post by Aryanimp on Mar 21, 2005 17:39:28 GMT 1
Still waiting for answers.... Cynical's BNP pals: Nick Griffin: convicted for inciting racial hatred. Tony Lecomber: convicted under Explosives Act Warren Bennett: convicted football hooligan Robert Bennett: convicted gang rapist/armed robber Colin Smith: convicted burglar, drug dealer Terry Collins: convicted arsonist ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Just to help balance this arguement a tad, click below for a startling revelation regarding one of Sister Pab's beloved elected Labour members. Bet they'll want to keep this hidden don't you folks? I could give dozens of other examples but I wouldn't want to be accused of having an agenda, would I?
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Post by pawlo on Mar 21, 2005 17:42:15 GMT 1
----------------------------------------------------------------------- Just to help balance this arguement a tad, click below for a startling revelation regarding one of Sister Pab's beloved elected Labour members. Bet they'll want to keep this hidden don't you folks? I could give dozens of other examples but I wouldn't want to be accused of having an agenda, would I? The link doesnt work
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Post by Aryanimp on Mar 21, 2005 17:56:32 GMT 1
A senior Labour official has today resigned in disgrace after his arrest following allegations that he had groomed and abducted a vulnerable 13 year old school boy for sexual purposes. Peter Tuffley the former assistant of Home Office minister, Hazel Blears, was arrested last weekend by police at his flat in Liverpool. Police were alerted when a 13 year old boy failed to return to his home in Bolton last Saturday evening. His worried family reported him missing and an urgent investigation was launched. Gay chatroom Police interviewed his family, checked his computer and discovered he had arranged to meet a stranger he had spoken to on an Internet gay chatroom. After the boy turned up safe the following day, inquiries revealed that he had spent the previous night at a man's flat in Liverpool. Officers raided a property in Little Parkfield Road, near Lark Lane and arrested Tuffley, regarded as a rising star of New Labour, on suspicion of child abduction. Detectives are investigating claims that the pair had `intimate contact' at the home of the openly-homosexual Tuffley. A doctor has examined the boy to establish whether he was indecently assaulted. Tuffley was questioned and released on police bail until May 4. Blow to Labour’s election campaign The case of such a senior figure in a child sex abuse claim is an embarrassment for Labour as Tuffley was a key figure in the campaign to stop the BNP gaining ground in the North West after we had three councillors elected on Burnley in 2002. He was made Labour party regional organiser in 2004 giving him a key role in Labour’s election campaign. This will be a devastating blow to morale for Labour workers and will be viewed with disgust and horror by traditional “Old Labour” voters throughout the North West. He was also Hazel Blears parliamentary adviser between 2001 and 2004, running her Commons office. Tuffley could face 10 years imprisonment for meeting a child after “grooming of a child for sexual purposes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2005 17:59:59 GMT 1
A senior Labour official has today resigned in disgrace after his arrest following allegations that he had groomed and abducted a vulnerable 13 year old school boy for sexual purposes. Peter Tuffley the former assistant of Home Office minister, Hazel Blears, was arrested last weekend by police at his flat in Liverpool. Police were alerted when a 13 year old boy failed to return to his home in Bolton last Saturday evening. His worried family reported him missing and an urgent investigation was launched. Gay chatroom Police interviewed his family, checked his computer and discovered he had arranged to meet a stranger he had spoken to on an Internet gay chatroom. After the boy turned up safe the following day, inquiries revealed that he had spent the previous night at a man's flat in Liverpool. Officers raided a property in Little Parkfield Road, near Lark Lane and arrested Tuffley, regarded as a rising star of New Labour, on suspicion of child abduction. Detectives are investigating claims that the pair had `intimate contact' at the home of the openly-homosexual Tuffley. A doctor has examined the boy to establish whether he was indecently assaulted. Tuffley was questioned and released on police bail until May 4. Blow to Labour’s election campaign The case of such a senior figure in a child sex abuse claim is an embarrassment for Labour as Tuffley was a key figure in the campaign to stop the BNP gaining ground in the North West after we had three councillors elected on Burnley in 2002. He was made Labour party regional organiser in 2004 giving him a key role in Labour’s election campaign. This will be a devastating blow to morale for Labour workers and will be viewed with disgust and horror by traditional “Old Labour” voters throughout the North West. He was also Hazel Blears parliamentary adviser between 2001 and 2004, running her Commons office. Tuffley could face 10 years imprisonment for meeting a child after “grooming of a child for sexual purposes. Glad you find such a crime so hilarious Cynical.
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Post by Aryanimp on Mar 21, 2005 18:04:20 GMT 1
I wasn't laughing at such an abhorrent crime, merely replying to SP's own laughter at the link not working.
But you knew that didn't you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2005 18:11:35 GMT 1
I wasn't laughing at such an abhorrent crime, merely replying to SP's own laughter at the link not working. But you knew that didn't you? Nope, you quoted details of a sickening crime. Then laughed at the fact that someone who has been questioned in relation to the crime happens to be a Labour official. Nice to see how you get your kicks.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Mar 21, 2005 18:12:28 GMT 1
A senior Labour official has today resigned in disgrace after his arrest following allegations that he had groomed and abducted a vulnerable 13 year old school boy for sexual purposes. Peter Tuffley the former assistant of Home Office minister, Hazel Blears, was arrested last weekend by police at his flat in Liverpool. Police were alerted when a 13 year old boy failed to return to his home in Bolton last Saturday evening. His worried family reported him missing and an urgent investigation was launched. Gay chatroom Police interviewed his family, checked his computer and discovered he had arranged to meet a stranger he had spoken to on an Internet gay chatroom. After the boy turned up safe the following day, inquiries revealed that he had spent the previous night at a man's flat in Liverpool. Officers raided a property in Little Parkfield Road, near Lark Lane and arrested Tuffley, regarded as a rising star of New Labour, on suspicion of child abduction. Detectives are investigating claims that the pair had `intimate contact' at the home of the openly-homosexual Tuffley. A doctor has examined the boy to establish whether he was indecently assaulted. Tuffley was questioned and released on police bail until May 4. Blow to Labour’s election campaign The case of such a senior figure in a child sex abuse claim is an embarrassment for Labour as Tuffley was a key figure in the campaign to stop the BNP gaining ground in the North West after we had three councillors elected on Burnley in 2002. He was made Labour party regional organiser in 2004 giving him a key role in Labour’s election campaign. This will be a devastating blow to morale for Labour workers and will be viewed with disgust and horror by traditional “Old Labour” voters throughout the North West. He was also Hazel Blears parliamentary adviser between 2001 and 2004, running her Commons office. Tuffley could face 10 years imprisonment for meeting a child after “grooming of a child for sexual purposes. And this proves what? These sort of people exist in all walks of life sadly, are you sure the BNP are exempt from the same? Or is it ok with you as long as they support the BNP?
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Post by matt on Mar 21, 2005 18:13:32 GMT 1
And this proves what? These sort of people exist in all walks of life sadly, are you sure the BNP are exempt from the same? Or is it ok with you as long as they support the BNP? that probably depends on the race of the child.
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Post by Aryanimp on Mar 21, 2005 18:22:12 GMT 1
And this proves what? These sort of people exist in all walks of life sadly, are you sure the BNP are exempt from the same? Or is it ok with you as long as they support the BNP? Absolutely not, it doesn't matter what side of the Political fence you are on, crimes against children are in my opinion THE worst imaginable. Corporal/Capital punishment should be brought back for the offenders, if found guilty in a court of law. Race is not an issue. I was merely balancing the argument that ALL parties have members/officials with criminal convictions, not just the BNP.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2005 18:29:58 GMT 1
Absolutely not, it doesn't matter what side of the Political fence you are on, crimes against children are in my opinion THE worst imaginable. Corporal/Capital punishment should be brought back for the offenders, if found guilty in a court of law. Race is not an issue. I was merely balancing the argument that ALL parties have members/officials with criminal convictions, not just the BNP. Crikey, it'll take some balancing matey unless you can prove Blair, Brown and Prescott to have been found guilty of serious crimes.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Mar 21, 2005 18:30:41 GMT 1
you call that balancing the argument, next time you do your balancing act!, do it on a high wire, with no net, please... we will all buy tkts to watch
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Post by Aryanimp on Mar 21, 2005 18:40:29 GMT 1
Crikey, it'll take some balancing matey unless you can prove Blair, Brown and Prescott to have been found guilty of serious crimes. Personally I'd say that going to War in Iraq under a false pretence of WOMD is a very serious crime. The death of 70+ British serviceman, let alone the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, but I doubt very much they'll ever be tried do you?
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Mar 21, 2005 18:50:05 GMT 1
Personally I'd say that going to War in Iraq under a false pretence of WOMD is a very serious crime. The death of 70+ British serviceman, let alone the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, but I doubt very much they'll ever be tried do you? BNP were more than happy with the invasion. After all it's mostly Arabs that have lost their lives. (Women & Children? Oh dear, never mind, these things happen when you're trying to purify the world)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2005 18:50:38 GMT 1
Personally I'd say that going to War in Iraq under a false pretence of WOMD is a very serious crime. The death of 70+ British serviceman, let alone the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, but I doubt very much they'll ever be tried do you? Is that what we were arguing about? Anyway, just out of interest - nothing else - what was the BNP position on the war in Iraq?
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Post by Aryanimp on Mar 21, 2005 19:30:36 GMT 1
The BNP were totally AGAINST the war in Iraq, FACT.
Not one British life should have been lost in an illegal war where no threat was posed to our Nation whatsover. The WOMD was a hoax and was more a smokescreen to aid Bush's Globalist/Capitalist agenda that we're totally against. Oil being the valuable commodity in this case of course.
Any potential or possible threat from Saddam Husseins regime was to Israel and the New World Order, with the treatment of fellow Muslims in Palestine and has nothing to do with us here in the UK.
To say oranjemob1 that the death of Arabs was an irrelevance is ignorance of the highest order, as all it has done is brought the threat of terrorist activity even closer to our shores (or in some cases within it!)
Vote Labour and Iran will be next!
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Mar 21, 2005 19:39:17 GMT 1
The BNP were totally AGAINST the war in Iraq, FACT. Not one British life should have been lost in an illegal war where no threat was posed to our Nation whatsover. The WOMD was a hoax and was more a smokescreen to aid Bush's Globalist/Capitalist agenda that we're totally against. Oil being the valuable commodity in this case of course. Any potential or possible threat from Saddam Husseins regime was to Israel and the New World Order, with the treatment of fellow Muslims in Palestine and has nothing to do with us here in the UK. To say oranjemob1 that the death of Arabs was an irrelevance is ignorance of the highest order, as all it has done is brought the threat of terrorist activity even closer to our shores (or in some cases within it!) Vote Labour and Iran will be next! careful, our British forces are muliti race, you might be accused of protecting them what is BNP stance on the IRA and other Irish factions?
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Post by chrisj on Mar 21, 2005 19:44:37 GMT 1
Cynical's BNP pals: Nick Griffin: convicted for inciting racial hatred. Tony Lecomber: convicted under Explosives Act Warren Bennett: convicted football hooligan Robert Bennett: convicted gang rapist/armed robber Colin Smith: convicted burglar, drug dealer Terry Collins: convicted arsonist ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Just to help balance this arguement a tad, click below for a startling revelation regarding one of Sister Pab's beloved elected Labour members. Bet they'll want to keep this hidden don't you folks? I could give dozens of other examples but I wouldn't want to be accused of having an agenda, would I? Balance? On the BNP site? And your point is? Surely not that there are politicos in all parties who break the law? Well **** me! And, you know, someone told me this morning that Mafeking has been relieved! You can accuse me of having an agenda if you like. I do have one; it's to confront and expose racism and racists whenever they slime out of the woodwork. Of course I could always take a leaf from the BNP book and tell you to **** off back to your own message board as we already have an Aryan Gimp and no-one likes him.
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Mar 21, 2005 19:56:56 GMT 1
To say oranjemob1 that the death of Arabs was an irrelevance is ignorance of the highest order, as all it has done is brought the threat of terrorist activity even closer to our shores (or in some cases within it!) Uumm. When I first read this I thought we were getting somewhere, snd that you valued Arab life as equal to the 'white races'. But, silly me. When I read it again I realised that it was the threat to "our shores" that you were concerned about. You are, astoundingly, absolutely right in that believe. But what a shame, and a typical reaction, that this apears to be your major objection to the war.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2005 21:29:16 GMT 1
The BNP were totally AGAINST the war in Iraq, FACT. Not one British life should have been lost in an illegal war where no threat was posed to our Nation whatsover. The WOMD was a hoax and was more a smokescreen to aid Bush's Globalist/Capitalist agenda that we're totally against. Oil being the valuable commodity in this case of course. Any potential or possible threat from Saddam Husseins regime was to Israel and the New World Order, with the treatment of fellow Muslims in Palestine and has nothing to do with us here in the UK. To say oranjemob1 that the death of Arabs was an irrelevance is ignorance of the highest order, as all it has done is brought the threat of terrorist activity even closer to our shores (or in some cases within it!) Vote Labour and Iran will be next! Thanks for the answer.
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Post by pawlo on Mar 21, 2005 22:29:53 GMT 1
Absolutely not, it doesn't matter what side of the Political fence you are on, crimes against children are in my opinion THE worst imaginable. Corporal/Capital punishment should be brought back for the offenders, if found guilty in a court of law. Race is not an issue. I was merely balancing the argument that ALL parties have members/officials with criminal convictions, not just the BNP. Never thought i would here you say Race is not an Issue. But to answer your question/statement, I will make this pledge in all seriousness. If this person who abused the kid is not expelled from the Labour Party, I promise I will vote Conservative at the Election. Of coarse my sanity is quite secure because he will be, of that i am certain. Now what about your criminals?
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