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Post by ssshrew on Apr 14, 2024 11:01:42 GMT 1
Mr Hursts game plan of publicly criticising his team is now reaping rewards…….but not the reward we want as a fan base. In recent weeks he has regularly spoken about ‘heavy defeats if we play like that’. Yesterday he mentioned a heavy defeat on Tuesday night at Bolton ‘even if we play well’…….players don’t want to hear that their Boss has no faith in them. Mr Hurst may not rate the squad he has inherited, just like the poor bunch he over first time around, the difference is that Mr Hurst had a full transfer window and a Chairman’s backing. This time he had no money because Mr Roly has spent it on legal fees. He was very much the same last time he was here. Making every opposition out to be prime Barca and challenging his players to prove him wrong. I found it odd last time but we was winning the games so it went unnoticed. Now it seems very odd. He is distancing himself from the players. Having a hard boss works for some people but it totally demoralises others. He probably does not care about there feelings too much as they will be gone in 3 weeks. Sadly he should care about their feelings as we need points by any means possible. However, we know from experience that he is a manager/coach who only thinks of himself so we shouldn’t be too surprised. Our experienced players will no doubt know his reputation as football is a small world and it won’t have taken them long to tell the younger ones. He came and he went and then we re-employed him - we probably look like an easy touch all round. it could be argued that the players aren’t professional but are we really sure that there is a good example at the top who they can respect.
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 14, 2024 11:03:39 GMT 1
That ain't gonna happen with these players, I'm afraid...,so forget about that😡
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 14, 2024 11:17:07 GMT 1
Perfectly summed up, when you need people to roll their sleeves up Bayliss and Shipley are the last ones you’d want, turn up 1 game in 7 and then go back into hiding. Get rid. Totally agree. I think that was probably Bayliss. worst performance of the season but he was not alone at a crucial winnable game too many players just went through the motions, it was really frustrating to watch players walk and jog around the pitch showing little interest in doing what they are paid for. Whilst it might be tempting to play youth players in place of players who have already packed there suitcase, a real thrashing could damage there confidence.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 14, 2024 11:33:35 GMT 1
Agreed. We might as well hopefully get our moneys worth!!
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 14, 2024 11:33:50 GMT 1
It's probably worth remembering that 8 of the players in the starting lineup yesterday, were from last season. They have been pretty awful defensively and offensively for over a year now. And under 3 different managers/coaches. Bayluss in particular has never put the effort in, he thinks he's too good for this level. That statistic in itself is a huge indication about how p**s poor our recruitment has been since MM came in. Loads of new players - not good enough. Loads of loan players - not good enough either.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 14, 2024 11:34:51 GMT 1
Only saw the first 45 minutes as had something else on and certainly wasn't disappointed to be leaving. I've defended Bayliss a lot but that performance was one of the worst I've seen in a Salop shirt, a man who knows he won't be here next season. Roll on the summer, **** most of the squad off, let the Yanks take over the club and hopefully we may see some form of entertainment next season. by the way, I heard the yanks rumour was a total load of fabricated s**te.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 14, 2024 11:36:23 GMT 1
If this continue with yesterday dire performance , we're too many players have packed there bags, I don't expect any points from the remaining games, we just have to hope port vale lose two games.
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Post by shrewspur on Apr 14, 2024 11:44:49 GMT 1
Remarkable similarities to the 2013/14 season exactly 10 years ago! where Turner resigned halfway through the season. Similar poor quality squad to when Winfield and Mkandawire were in Defence and a lack of quality in attack. Just hope history does not repeat itself and we are not relegated this time!
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 14, 2024 12:38:54 GMT 1
Only saw the first 45 minutes as had something else on and certainly wasn't disappointed to be leaving. I've defended Bayliss a lot but that performance was one of the worst I've seen in a Salop shirt, a man who knows he won't be here next season. Roll on the summer, **** most of the squad off, let the Yanks take over the club and hopefully we may see some form of entertainment next season. I don’t think “the Yanks” would be interested in a L2 club and even if they were, the purchase price would surely be reduced compared to current ‘“value”. Such a shame that the recent TWOTS thread was deleted.
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 14, 2024 12:41:25 GMT 1
If this continue with yesterday dire performance , we're too many players have packed there bags, I don't expect any points from the remaining games, we just have to hope port vale lose two games. Vale: Lose one and draw one would do the trick.
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Post by jamo on Apr 14, 2024 12:56:03 GMT 1
I don’t think “the Yanks” would be interested in a L2 club and even if they were, the purchase price would surely be reduced compared to current ‘“value”. Such a shame that the recent TWOTS thread was deleted. indeed. But very telling. If was such a load of fabricated s**te you wouldn’t think the club would have it deleted would you?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 14, 2024 13:04:32 GMT 1
I don’t think “the Yanks” would be interested in a L2 club and even if they were, the purchase price would surely be reduced compared to current ‘“value”. Such a shame that the recent TWOTS thread was deleted. indeed. But very telling. If was such a load fabricated s**te you wouldn’t think the club would have it deleted would you? heres jamo with his daily mods debate (this time on the match thread )
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Post by northwestman on Apr 14, 2024 13:13:56 GMT 1
It's probably worth remembering that 8 of the players in the starting lineup yesterday, were from last season. They have been pretty awful defensively and offensively for over a year now. And under 3 different managers/coaches. Bayluss in particular has never put the effort in, he thinks he's too good for this level. That statistic in itself is a huge indication about how p**s poor our recruitment has been since MM came in. Loads of new players - not good enough. Loads of loan players - not good enough either. Yes - Anderson, Kenneh and Hinchy all not in the starting eleven, the last 2 not even on the bench.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 14, 2024 13:15:36 GMT 1
If this continue with yesterday dire performance , we're too many players have packed there bags, I don't expect any points from the remaining games, we just have to hope port vale lose two games. Vale: Lose one and draw one would do the trick. Well, Vale should certainly lose at Bolton.
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Post by JohnG on Apr 14, 2024 13:39:00 GMT 1
The rot set in March last year. The last 12 games or so under Cotterill were awful. The same players have consistently failed under Taylor and now Hurst. Top that off with p**s poor recruitment from Moore and there is only ever one outcome!
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Post by tarporleyblue on Apr 14, 2024 13:41:28 GMT 1
That statistic in itself is a huge indication about how p**s poor our recruitment has been since MM came in. Loads of new players - not good enough. Loads of loan players - not good enough either. Yes - Anderson, Kenneh and Hinchy all not in the starting eleven, the last 2 not even on the bench. Yes, you expect your loanees to be challenging for first team places, at the very least, not having the weekend off shopping. It's not that long ago when your loanees would be the first named on the team sheet.
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Post by jamo on Apr 14, 2024 13:48:07 GMT 1
The rot set in March last year. The last 12 games or so under Cotterill were awful. The same players have consistently failed under Taylor and now Hurst. Top that off with p**s poor recruitment from Moore and there is only ever one outcome! I would think there is substance to that opinion, very difficult to see evidence of any ‘new managers bounce’ from either of the managers since Cotterill left. Which rather puts the onus on the players.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Apr 14, 2024 13:56:44 GMT 1
I've just listened to Paul's post match interview and he sounds a broken man.
So flat and dejected, it really could be a cricket score on Tuesday evening.
The question is, will Hurst still be with us come Summer?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 14, 2024 14:03:00 GMT 1
The rot set in March last year. The last 12 games or so under Cotterill were awful. The same players have consistently failed under Taylor and now Hurst. Top that off with p**s poor recruitment from Moore and there is only ever one outcome! thats a good point, going back to Flanagans commentary spats , sounded to me like he was amongst a few players who were of the attitude they were too big for our club, too big to even realise they were a big part of the problem themselves and are all punching well below their weight, causing a rift in the squad in the same time, cant wait to get shot of the lot of em
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Post by jamo on Apr 14, 2024 14:05:02 GMT 1
The question is, will Hurst still be with us come Summer? I don’t think personally that that is a concern, but I am sure he underestimated the state of the club and the size of the job in hand when he accepted it. If he goes this summer then this club literally will implode.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 14, 2024 14:38:02 GMT 1
I wonder if any of the players have read the more or less unanimous opinions of their performance and lack of both effort and ability expressed in the 9 pages of this thread.
If so, will it motivate them to try harder in the remaining 3 games? Probably not.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Apr 14, 2024 15:08:23 GMT 1
I wonder if any of the players have read the more or less unanimous opinions of their performance and lack of both effort and ability expressed in the 9 pages of this thread. If so, will it motivate them to try harder in the remaining 3 games? Probably not. They will be too busy talking to their agents/planning their summer hols to care a fig about us mere supporters and our proud club.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 14, 2024 15:35:49 GMT 1
There’s not a hope of them being motivated now - it’s too late.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 14, 2024 15:39:58 GMT 1
There’s not a hope of them being motivated now - it’s too late. let's hope the same applies to Vale's and Cheltenham's players!
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 14, 2024 15:43:30 GMT 1
Indeed. I wonder though if their fans think the same of their players aas we do ours? In other words do they think they are watching rubbish game in and game out?
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 14, 2024 16:32:21 GMT 1
I wonder if any of the players have read the more or less unanimous opinions of their performance and lack of both effort and ability expressed in the 9 pages of this thread. If so, will it motivate them to try harder in the remaining 3 games? Probably not. If they choose to read a messageboard after a poor result and s**t performance then thats on them.
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Post by jontifree on Apr 14, 2024 16:42:42 GMT 1
I wonder if any of the players have read the more or less unanimous opinions of their performance and lack of both effort and ability expressed in the 9 pages of this thread. If so, will it motivate them to try harder in the remaining 3 games? Probably not. What I really can't understand is if the players don't want to put the effort in for the club/fans, why don't they want to put it in for themselves? Unless they all have clubs already lined up then after watching the past few matches there won't be many takers for any of them. Winchester was the only one that showed any form of passion/frustration at what was going on around him. As for Bayliss...flaccid is the word that sprang to mind watching him. From his handshake with the ref, to the way he plods around the pitch there was just no desire or effort from him whatsoever. Truly awful.
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 14, 2024 17:22:56 GMT 1
Well,I did warn the posters on here about bayliss, months ago.......dean peer was better than him.....that's how bad bayliss is!!!
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Apr 14, 2024 18:26:57 GMT 1
Dunkley - Performances have been awful since we switched to a back 4. He had a free role before it seemed just getting his head on everything. In a 4 his lack of pace & lack of passing has really been exposed. Not the same player.
Bayliss - Be shocked if we extend his contract. A high earner who for the best part of his 2 years here hasn’t delivered, poor G/A stats. Lacks intensity, fitness & scared to get stuck in, losing about 90% of his duels.
Udoh - Will he off in the summer, will be able to get himself a much better deall.
Marosi - will want better & expect better. We will trigger his extension to sell him for a fee with effectively a 12 month contract.
Flanagan - actually think he’s looked one of our better players since returning from injury, but that lunge yesterday was ridiculous. Bloxham - still very raw even after all his professional appearances. If somebody offered £300k I’d take it- anyone who thinks we’ll get £750k or something are mad
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 14, 2024 19:43:02 GMT 1
The whole forward line needs re vamping big time.. as proved by goals scored🤷🤷
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