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Post by jamo on Apr 13, 2024 21:06:37 GMT 1
Lots of hand wringing on here tonight. Understandably so. We will be fine, for the simple fact that there are 4 worse teams than us. Difficult as that is to believe.
I think Hurst probably has the hardest period of his managerial career ahead of him this summer.
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Post by mrcricket on Apr 13, 2024 21:08:23 GMT 1
Compare the fitness, desire and efforts of someone like 36 Year old McCleary of Wycombe (I actual thought he was even older) compared to 25 year old Bayliss.
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Post by chameleon on Apr 13, 2024 21:08:46 GMT 1
Question is now who plays against Bolton. In a hostile atmosphere can you play our upcoming youngsters. But if we’ve got gutless players who don’t care it’s pointless playing those gutless players. What on earth is Hursty going to do.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 13, 2024 21:09:35 GMT 1
Could MM and Hurst pull off a goalkeeper loan as good as Deano was?
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 13, 2024 21:09:44 GMT 1
Lots of hand wringing on here tonight. Understandably so. We will be fine, for the simple fact that there are 4 worse teams than us. Difficult as that is to believe. I think Hurst probably has the hardest period of his managerial career ahead of him this summer. Cant lose though can he really, he will always have the fact we are skint and working with a reduced budget to fall back on. He's also got the good grace from last time with a lot of fans. He is probably delighted that most of this squad are out of contract.
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Post by mrcricket on Apr 13, 2024 21:16:29 GMT 1
Question is now who plays against Bolton. In a hostile atmosphere can you play our upcoming youngsters. But if we’ve got gutless players who don’t care it’s pointless playing those gutless players. What on earth is Hursty going to do. Some of the guys that warm up from the bench look a lot more enthusiastic than the XI on the pitch, but that might be saying more that there the one's having to do the hard yards on the pitch with zero confidence. I'd consider moving Feeney to centre back now, almost as a reward for him playing so well at right back and move Winchester to the right of defence. Sraha is decent in the air but the amount of shirt pulling he does shows he's a reactive player. I'd also bring Bennett in, Price (though I don't think he can last) and O'Brien. Shipley can stay as can Dunkley and Benning of course, I'd even consider bringing in Bowman for Udoh and bring Hinchy back.
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Post by mrcricket on Apr 13, 2024 21:18:15 GMT 1
And to add, I'd be quite happy to never see Bayliss in a Town shirt again he is weak and pathetic and yes I do really mean that.
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Post by jamo on Apr 13, 2024 21:20:39 GMT 1
Question is now who plays against Bolton. In a hostile atmosphere can you play our upcoming youngsters. But if we’ve got gutless players who don’t care it’s pointless playing those gutless players. What on earth is Hursty going to do. I think that’s a really interesting question. I think we all realise we will get beaten. The question is how and what that looks like. Gutsy, back to the wall effort with everyone putting a shift in or, a meek surrender with 6 or 7 players just going through the motions. Personally, I would go with a team that wants to be on the field, experienced or otherwise and take the consequences, it will at least be useful in planning for the future
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 13, 2024 21:21:11 GMT 1
With so many players failing to turn up, who could you pick for the Bolton game. If we play the way did today, we are going to get thrashed
We can add today's game to a long list of dire performances, we're players can't do the basics, can't pass, can't hold up the ball, lack any threat up front and could not score in front of an open goal .
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Post by cabanas2017 on Apr 13, 2024 21:21:26 GMT 1
Marosi would be a huge loss , even if his kicking is awful. Getting someone as good is unlikely I think. for the money he is on, he's poor value for money Is that based on the rumour he has been told to find a new club?
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Post by mrcricket on Apr 13, 2024 21:26:27 GMT 1
Question is now who plays against Bolton. In a hostile atmosphere can you play our upcoming youngsters. But if we’ve got gutless players who don’t care it’s pointless playing those gutless players. What on earth is Hursty going to do. I think that’s a really interesting question. I think we all realise we will get beaten. The question is how and what that looks like. Gutsy, back to the wall effort with everyone putting a shift in or, a meek surrender with 6 or 7 players just going through the motions. Personally, I would go with a team that wants to be on the field, experienced or otherwise and take the consequences, it will at least be useful in planning for the future Based on that, that's Marosi, Feeney and Winchester, at a push Dunkley and Benning, I suppose you could say Flanagan wanted to be out there as well in some ways :-)
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Post by mrcricket on Apr 13, 2024 21:28:31 GMT 1
for the money he is on, he's poor value for money Is that based on the rumour he has been told to find a new club? If rumours are true then the Albion have been circling for him for a while, scouts seen at the Meadow for a few weeks.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 13, 2024 21:30:39 GMT 1
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I might suggest that Flanagan getting a 3 game ban with only 3 games left seems to be highly coincidental.
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Post by jamo on Apr 13, 2024 21:38:11 GMT 1
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I might suggest that Flanagan getting a 3 game ban with only 3 games left seems to be highly coincidental. I’m up for a B&A conspiracy but it that was the case today I feel pretty confident that Flanagan would have made a more obvious attempt. It was the wrong decision today and many other refs we have had would not have gone straight Red
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Post by northwestman on Apr 13, 2024 21:39:43 GMT 1
PH has said that in his opinion it was a straight red.
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Post by jamo on Apr 13, 2024 21:40:50 GMT 1
PH has said that in his opinion it was a straight red. I’m not sure he was refereeing 😉
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Post by mrcricket on Apr 13, 2024 21:41:41 GMT 1
The walking yellow card Tom Flanagan turned into a straight red today.
He was likely frustrated, went on one of his Beckenbauer like runs and got cut off, I'd have to see the replay but the referee did give himself time to think of it.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 13, 2024 21:58:41 GMT 1
He’ll probably turn up on radio Shropshire telling us all where it all went wrong like last time he was out.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Apr 13, 2024 22:12:59 GMT 1
Been back home for three hours now and I am still fuming at that performance. Just when we thought things could not get worse in this awful season the players come into a winnable game where a win would virtually ensure safety after a clear week and they manage one shot on target which I could have saved. Pathetic - listless -clueless - disjointed -spineless (and many other adjectives I am too polite to type) and they should all hang their heads in shame. Hurst cannot escape the blame either - he picks, coaches and prepares the team and, though he can take credit for the improvement in away performances and we know this is a weak squad, the home performances under him have shown no improvement from those under Taylor. I dont think we will get another point this season and we can only hope other teams lose enough games to keep us up.
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Post by Bordershrew on Apr 13, 2024 22:20:38 GMT 1
And to add, I'd be quite happy to never see Bayliss in a Town shirt again he is weak and pathetic and yes I do really mean that. Perfectly summed up, when you need people to roll their sleeves up Bayliss and Shipley are the last ones you’d want, turn up 1 game in 7 and then go back into hiding. Get rid.
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Post by chameleon on Apr 13, 2024 22:44:40 GMT 1
And to add, I'd be quite happy to never see Bayliss in a Town shirt again he is weak and pathetic and yes I do really mean that. Perfectly summed up, when you need people to roll their sleeves up Bayliss and Shipley are the last ones you’d want, turn up 1 game in 7 and then go back into hiding. Get rid. Totally agree.
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Post by darkshrew on Apr 13, 2024 22:49:59 GMT 1
Been back home for three hours now and I am still fuming at that performance. Just when we thought things could not get worse in this awful season the players come into a winnable game where a win would virtually ensure safety after a clear week and they manage one shot on target which I could have saved. Pathetic - listless -clueless - disjointed -spineless (and many other adjectives I am too polite to type) and they should all hang their heads in shame. Hurst cannot escape the blame either - he picks, coaches and prepares the team and, though he can take credit for the improvement in away performances and we know this is a weak squad, the home performances under him have shown no improvement from those under Taylor. I dont think we will get another point this season and we can only hope other teams lose enough games to keep us up. Agree - looks like we will finish on 46 and hope Vale get less.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Apr 13, 2024 22:51:13 GMT 1
I honestly don’t think that the decisions on who will stay and who will go are resting on whether we stay up or not. Who we go for, yes, that will depend on whether we stay up or not but for these players I think their future is probably known: GK Marosi – contract is up, nothing said about renewal so probably too expensive - release Burgoyne – contract is up, not a safe pair of hands - release Defence Nurse – contract to July 2026 – cheap & real promise if he stays fit- keep Feeney – contract to July 2025 – cheap with real potential - keep Dunkley – contract is up but there is a 1 year option; too expensive – sell / release Flanagan - contract is up - probably too expensive – release Sraha – contract is up but there is a 1 year option – cheap with potential - extend Benning - contract is up - reliable, cheap and only 31 – new 1 yr contract Midfield Shipley – contract to July 2025 – inconsistent and too expensive – sell Bayliss - contract is up but there is a 1 year option; inconsistent & too expensive – sell / release Winchester - contract to July 2025 – versatile and tries; hopefully not too expensive - keep Perry – contract to July 2025 – cheap with potential – keep Idowu – contract to July 2026 – cheap with potential – keep Sobowale - contract is up but there is a 1 year option – cheap with promise – extend Bennett – contract is up – class act but 35 – offer player coach role Price – no contract – class act but 31 and big injury concerns – offer pay per play Attack Udoh – contract is up and he is not signing renewal – give him a deadline to sign Bloxham – contract to July 2025 – cheap with potential – keep Bowman – contract is up – amazed he was renewed last year – release O’Brien – contract is up – there is a player there but not worth the risk, expensive – release Mata – contract to July 26 - cheap with potential – keep Tulloch – contract is up – cheap but not in squad even when fit & squad bare - release That leaves us needing more than 10 new players: GK – need two new keepers DL – Nurse / Benning DCL – Sraha / Need another CB DCR – Feeney / Need cover DR – Need new RB & cover DM – Winchester / Bennett / Price MC – Need new MC / Perry / Idowu MC – Need new MC & back up AML – Need new AML & back up AMR – Bloxham / Sobowale ST – Need new ST / Mata We desperately need a midfielder who can control the show a la Nolan / Kelly – I honestly thought that would be Bayliss and I don’t know why it isn’t, but it isn’t. I cant see Burgoyne going. He is clearly on a cheap wage and has been ok this season when needed, I also believe he is good in the dressing room. I'd keep him. I think Shipley will be re-signed. He is a quality player on his day. I doubt Nurse or Feeney are cheap. Shipley is under contract for another year, so no re-signing needed. I think he will stay, he has done more than most (second top scorer and highest assist maker). And also as he's under contract it's harder to just get rid. Nurse and Feeney may not be cheap but I think the point is that they won't be a on big whack a la Marosi, Dunkley, Flanagan, Bayliss etc, so makes sense to keep them if they are going be be first team or challenging for first team
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Post by belfastshrew on Apr 13, 2024 22:51:56 GMT 1
We didn't utilise the loan market well this season. Hurst managed it to perfection in his first spell. Fingers crossed on that one.
I don't agree with Jamo on this summer being the biggest in Hurst's career. I recon it will probably be one of the easiest. He gets to bring in 70% of his own players, rather than coach someone else's...I would say that's an ideal situation to be in for a head coach.
Obviously if the DoF doesnt manage to bring in Hursts players then we are going to have issues 🤣
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 13, 2024 22:58:52 GMT 1
Yep ....at least 10 need to go......Hurst probably already been scouting players...... they'll be plenty of to choose from..... he'll get the maximum 5 loans in,free transfer players,and pick up some cheap bargains.....done it before, he'll do it again.....well anything is better than what we've got now surely 🤦🤦🤦
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Apr 13, 2024 23:03:38 GMT 1
for the money he is on, he's poor value for money Is that based on the rumour he has been told to find a new club? Well he's out on contract at the end of June so he doesn't really need to be told to find one.
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Post by mrcricket on Apr 13, 2024 23:03:53 GMT 1
The problem (although it could be a good thing for him) is that the majority of the squad will go, He'll be starting with.
Winchester, Shipley, Feeney, Bloxham, Nurse, Mata and Idowu (some of which he may already be trying to move on).
it will be a completely fresh squad which in many ways could be a good thing, but if the squad doesn't gel then things could go wrong very quickly.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Apr 13, 2024 23:15:19 GMT 1
We didn't utilise the loan market well this season. Hurst managed it to perfection in his first spell. Fingers crossed on that one. I don't agree with Jamo on this summer being the biggest in Hurst's career. I recon it will probably be one of the easiest. He gets to bring in 70% of his own players, rather than coach someone else's...I would say that's an ideal situation to be in for a head coach. Obviously if the DoF doesnt manage to bring in Hursts players then we are going to have issues 🤣 Can't remember a recent season with loans gone as badly as they have this season. That said I think with the growth of PL2 and Premier league sides carrying smaller squads than they were (and so keeping their younger players with them), I think there is a lot less available players on loan than there once was. Look at Nathan Fraser who town clearly wanted and presumed they would get but he's still at Wolves. A few years ago most clubs at this level were propped up by loan players. This season it hasn't been uncommon to have only a few on the pitch across the 22. Wycombe today did have 3 actually, but that's still out of 16 players that played for them today. Portsmouth only had 1/16. Bristol Rovers 2/16. Oxford 1/15. Good loan players are clearly hard to come by
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Post by mrcricket on Apr 13, 2024 23:31:49 GMT 1
I sense that things have turned against Dunkley now, certainly looking at some of the fans comments on YT and Twitter (and yes I know its only Social Media) but the knives seem to be out now.
Football is a funny old game....
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Post by gobowenshrew on Apr 13, 2024 23:43:05 GMT 1
One of the most depressing days I can remember as a Town fan and my god have there been a few over the years.
Dross first half. Flanagan a liability again, think/hope that's the last we see of him.
Too many players, like Bloxham simply not good enough. Bayliss blows more cold than he does hot.
Dunkley looks like he's tapped out altogether. Absolute calamitous for their first goal. Mad how given that the free kick was pulled back for encroachment, no one had cottoned on to the fact they were probably gonna do the same move again and lo and behold they score from it.
Utterly depressing fare today. We'll stay up, just about, but I'd genuinely not shed a tear if every single player was sent packing over the summer.
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