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Post by jamo on Apr 9, 2024 22:23:46 GMT 1
The worry for me is still our inferior goal difference compared to all the other teams. It would certainly help if Peterborough could put 4 or more goals past Port Vale tomorrow evening. I think I’d be happy to settle for a 1-0 Peterborough win. If that happens we’ll be safe by Saturday teatime
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 9, 2024 22:32:38 GMT 1
The worry for me is still our inferior goal difference compared to all the other teams. It would certainly help if Peterborough could put 4 or more goals past Port Vale tomorrow evening. It wont come down to GD, it wont.
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 9, 2024 22:35:15 GMT 1
The worry for me is still our inferior goal difference compared to all the other teams. It would certainly help if Peterborough could put 4 or more goals past Port Vale tomorrow evening. It must be hard being so eternally pessimistic
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Post by blueboy48 on Apr 9, 2024 23:44:43 GMT 1
Humans generally seem to fall into two categories, optimists and pessimists. The optimists amongst us believe Town will survive and the pessimists think we won't. An interesting exercise for the pessimists is to imagine us to be on 38 or 40pts. Do you think we could catch the team on 46 points?. If the answer is no then it means the team on 46 pts will be safe .... that's us.
This exercise can be repeated at 5.00pm on Saturday when we are on 49pts.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 9, 2024 23:55:14 GMT 1
Humans generally seem to fall into two categories, optimists and pessimists. The optimists amongst us believe Town will survive and the pessimists think we won't. An interesting exercise for the pessimists is to imagine us to be on 38 or 40pts. Do you think we could catch the team on 46 points?. If the answer is no then it means the team on 46 pts will be safe .... that's us. This exercise can be repeated at 5.00pm on Saturday when we are on 49pts. Or this exercise can be repeated at 5pm Saturday when we havnt picked up any more points but neither have the teams in immediate danger either but we are all 1 game closer to the seasons end.
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 10, 2024 6:38:46 GMT 1
I have been confident we can survive pretty much all season other than a small stint near the end of MT reign where he completely lost the plot but since Hurst came in I was very confident we would limp over the line to safety.
Lets not forget at the start of the season that the majority would have taken avoiding relegation this season after all the changes and classed it as a success. When you add all the s**te lucky we had with injuries and the change in manager it makes it even more of an achievement.
Hurst is still a snake though.
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Post by MartinB on Apr 10, 2024 7:07:44 GMT 1
So to catch us if we don't pick up another point the following has to happen
Port Vale have to win 2 games out of 5 games Burton have to win 2 games out of 4 games Cheltenham have to win 3 games or win 2 and draw 2 out of 5 games Fleetwood have to win 4 games out of 4 games.
Those teams form in last ten games is Port Vale W2 D3 L5 Burton W0 D2 L8 Cheltenham W1 D3 L6 Fleetwood W0 D5 L5
The one win for the bottom three teams have between them is Cheltenham winning at Fleetwood.
Port Vale wins are against Burton and Bristol Rovers.
I can't see two of those four teams winning the games to catch us, although would be happier with a win in Saturday.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 10, 2024 7:12:19 GMT 1
Are the pessimists feeling a bit better right now? Cheltenham have to win 3 (out of 5) to go above us without us picking up any further points. Big chance for Cheltenham tonight and they cant get a shot on target in 90 mins against the worst team in the division. We are staying up, not because we are any good but because there are others much worse than we are. I'm one of the pessimists so the results. From two games tonight went out way .just hope port vale lose, however Carlisle managedyi beatthem 3 _1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 10, 2024 7:14:11 GMT 1
They say its best to have the points on the board than games in hand.
I was concerned with the run we were on but that was a fair while ago now and since we changed managed we've steadied the ship a bit. Very hit and miss from Town though but when you have sides below us who are a lot more miss than hit then its all good, that'll do. It's just about staying up. Massive favour from Carlisle that, huge kick in the pips for Cheltenham. Things looking good. Now lets see Posh get the win tonight and things will look better still. We're nearly there.
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Post by servernaside on Apr 10, 2024 9:26:20 GMT 1
One win from our remaining two home games should just about see us stagger over the line.
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Post by blueboy48 on Apr 10, 2024 10:33:27 GMT 1
Humans generally seem to fall into two categories, optimists and pessimists. The optimists amongst us believe Town will survive and the pessimists think we won't. An interesting exercise for the pessimists is to imagine us to be on 38 or 40pts. Do you think we could catch the team on 46 points?. If the answer is no then it means the team on 46 pts will be safe .... that's us. This exercise can be repeated at 5.00pm on Saturday when we are on 49pts. Or this exercise can be repeated at 5pm Saturday when we havnt picked up any more points but neither have the teams in immediate danger either but we are all 1 game closer to the seasons end. Aaaah, you must be a pessimistic opimist. Sort of making the best of a bad job😊
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Post by shrewdownsouth on Apr 10, 2024 10:35:53 GMT 1
It's been a weird season - we have (justifiably) been worried about relegation for the entire season, yet I can't remember us spending any actual time in the relegation zone. Let's hope that continues for four more games.
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Post by scooter on Apr 10, 2024 10:42:04 GMT 1
It's been a weird season - we have (justifiably) been worried about relegation for the entire season, yet I can't remember us spending any actual time in the relegation zone. Let's hope that continues for four more games. I have never really thought we would go down. Always looked like there were 4 worse teams than us. Doubts were creeping in during January though
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 10, 2024 10:42:42 GMT 1
It's been a weird season - we have (justifiably) been worried about relegation for the entire season, yet I can't remember us spending any actual time in the relegation zone. Let's hope that continues for four more games. Remember Mickey Moore saying how proud he was that Cheltenham weren’t in the relegation zone all season last year. This year they haven’t been out of it so let’s hope we can hang onto him
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 10, 2024 10:54:05 GMT 1
Hopefully we'll do it Saturday.....then look forward to new season,with interest!!!! There won't be many players left from this season,I would guess.......there can't be....they aren't good enough!!!
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Post by wakemanender on Apr 10, 2024 10:55:29 GMT 1
There is little doubt that we have been very lucky this season in having half a dozen clubs worse than us. I can't ever remember a season when so many poor teams have visited the Meadow and some of those have beaten us.The football seen at the Meadow this season has been dire with just two or three stand out teams. If Wrexham come up they will have no problem surviving in this division.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Apr 10, 2024 11:13:09 GMT 1
Cheltenham have to play Burton. If they both lose that, they're in real trouble.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 10, 2024 11:15:08 GMT 1
Or this exercise can be repeated at 5pm Saturday when we havnt picked up any more points but neither have the teams in immediate danger either but we are all 1 game closer to the seasons end. Aaaah, you must be a pessimistic opimist. Sort of making the best of a bad job😊 I've always been fairly confident we would stay up, but as others have said it's because we are not quite as poor as several other teams. Weve been lucky to have so many poor teams around us, bit like last season. It wont always be the case though so best pull our fingers out next season.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 10, 2024 11:16:08 GMT 1
Cheltenham have to play Burton. If they both lose that, they're in real trouble. Should Be a classic to watch, a game with no shots on target for either side. 😳
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Post by mattmw on Apr 10, 2024 11:32:15 GMT 1
Finally got a reason to like Carlisle - apart from the points themselves you would guess losing to the bottom side will be really deflating to Cheltenham and impact on future performances too
Slowly looking more promising for Town staying up as each round of matches passes
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Apr 10, 2024 11:46:02 GMT 1
It's been a weird season - we have (justifiably) been worried about relegation for the entire season, yet I can't remember us spending any actual time in the relegation zone. Let's hope that continues for four more games. I have never really thought we would go down. Always looked like there were 4 worse teams than us. Doubts were creeping in during January though This is it for me. Town are a poor team, but have been set up enough to scrape enough wins against even poorer teams. But then hasn't that been fairly similiar for the majority of seasons in about the last decade?
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Post by ProudSalopian on Apr 10, 2024 12:20:12 GMT 1
I have never really thought we would go down. Always looked like there were 4 worse teams than us. Doubts were creeping in during January though This is it for me. Town are a poor team, but have been set up enough to scrape enough wins against even poorer teams. But then hasn't that been fairly similiar for the majority of seasons in about the last decade? Exactly this. It still makes me laugh at the claims that we are better against the good sides and struggle against the poor sides, it's nonsense and has been for a long time. If I'm correct, I make it that we've earnt 6 points in games against the top 10 this season Portsmouth - 0 points from 2 games Derby - 4 points from 2 games Bolton - 0 point from 1 game Peterborough - 0 points from 2 games Barnsley - 1 point from 2 games Oxford - 1 point from 2 games Lincoln - 0 point from 2 games Blackpool - 0 point from 2 games Stevenage - 0 point from 2 games Leyton Orient - 0 point from 1 game
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 10, 2024 12:34:25 GMT 1
This is it for me. Town are a poor team, but have been set up enough to scrape enough wins against even poorer teams. But then hasn't that been fairly similiar for the majority of seasons in about the last decade? Exactly this. It still makes me laugh at the claims that we are better against the good sides and struggle against the poor sides, it's nonsense and has been for a long time. If I'm correct, I make it that we've earnt 6 points in games against the top 10 this season Portsmouth - 0 points from 2 games Derby - 4 points from 2 games Bolton - 0 point from 1 game Peterborough - 0 points from 2 games Barnsley - 1 point from 2 games Oxford - 1 point from 2 games Lincoln - 0 point from 2 games Blackpool - 0 point from 2 games Stevenage - 0 point from 2 games Leyton Orient - 0 point from 1 game That's a shocking stat as well. Take the 4 points we got against Derby away and we have taken 2 points out of the other 48 available. Abysmal record.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 10, 2024 12:34:29 GMT 1
I may be pessimistic but until we are mathematically safe I never take anything for granted.
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 10, 2024 13:13:15 GMT 1
Quite right too......some of those stats posted are shocking....how the hell are Stevenage doing the double over us.... they've only just come up,and we're a so called established league1 club..... everything that's happened over the last 4/5 yrs,needs to be seriously looked at.hopefully next season we'll be a fitter,more organized side with an attacking intent......we need to be.... they'll be some good strong sides in the league next season.....hope we're prepared
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 10, 2024 13:44:42 GMT 1
Quite right too......some of those stats posted are shocking....how the hell are Stevenage doing the double over us.... they've only just come up,and we're a so called established league1 club..... everything that's happened over the last 4/5 yrs,needs to be seriously looked at.hopefully next season we'll be a fitter,more organized side with an attacking intent......we need to be.... they'll be some good strong sides in the league next season.....hope we're prepared over the last. Few seasons We have not been properly prepared more often than not. Hurst has in my opinion sensibly said he would not be looking at contracts till he knows definitely that we are staying up. Don't we have another year before the FA money comes in. With our definite I can't help but wonder how much money will be available for players, most people expect a big clear out and the players with higher wages will go, so we are looking at a lot of new players to be signed. This season has been utter crap. With dismal performances and we come to the end of the season with many players still unable to last 90 minutes . I hope the director of football gets his P 45 and let us hope Hurst has got his eye on some players who can do the basics right which is more than most of the present squad can do.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 10, 2024 13:46:28 GMT 1
Quite right too......some of those stats posted are shocking....how the hell are Stevenage doing the double over us.... they've only just come up,and we're a so called established league1 club..... everything that's happened over the last 4/5 yrs,needs to be seriously looked at.hopefully next season we'll be a fitter,more organized side with an attacking intent......we need to be.... they'll be some good strong sides in the league next season.....hope we're prepared over the last. Few seasons We have not been properly prepared more often than not. Hurst has in my opinion sensibly said he would not be looking at contracts till he knows definitely that we are staying up. Don't we have another year before the FA money comes in. With our deficit I can't help but wonder how much money will be available for players, most people expect a big clear out and the players with higher wages will go, so we are looking at a lot of new players to be signed. This season has been utter crap. With dismal performances and we come to the end of the season with many players still unable to last 90 minutes . I hope the director of football gets his P 45 and let us hope Hurst has got his eye on some players who can do the basics right which is more than most of the present squad can do.
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Post by wakemanender on Apr 10, 2024 13:59:09 GMT 1
I'm wondering if Hurst will start the new season as he did last time with a number of pre season games at home against Championship clubs. We won them all meaning we were fit and confident before the first League games. Since he left our pre season arrangements have been very poor resulting in players looking unfit and lacking confidence. I am sure supporters would turn up interested to see how the new players perform whilst at the same time giving the finances a little boost.
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Post by shrewsburytownfan on Apr 10, 2024 14:01:14 GMT 1
Port vale have only won 2 games in 2024 against a dreadful Burton team away and at home to Bristol rovers side that's in dreadful form and on the beach. They have only won something like 5 league games since the middle of September when they were 2nd in the table. For me it's a big ask for them to get around 8 or 9 points from there remaining games to stay up. They have Peterborough and Bolton away which are definite defeats. The vale fans I've spoke to recently are basically happy to lose 1 nil or 2 1 tonight and not take a hammering as they would stay out the bottom 4 on goals scored. I think it would be cutting it fine but if we did lose all the remaining games based on it hat all them sides are doing below us it's unlikely there going get to 46 points. I do think we will win one of our remaining games though.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 10, 2024 14:14:38 GMT 1
The worry for me is still our inferior goal difference compared to all the other teams. It would certainly help if Peterborough could put 4 or more goals past Port Vale tomorrow evening. We won't be going down on goal difference.
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