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Post by scooter on Jan 28, 2020 13:12:02 GMT 1
I gave up on the Sky sports link, but I follow Andy Holt on Twitter, and he is getting as annoying as Klopp in his refusal to accept any other views. All the Premier teams knew at the start of the season that there would be a 14 day break in their fixtures, but that a 4th round replay would reduce that to 10 days. Klopp is acting as if someone only told him this at the end of the Town game i think we are coming to the end of replays though. We are looking forward to going to Anfield, but if we had come out at home to Portsmouth or Barnsley and drawn, how many would be going to the replay ? We would be in favour of extra time and penalties if that was the case we used to play until there was a result, how ever many replays were required, but no one is calling for a return to that. It is inevitable that all Fa cup games go to one off games eventually. Hopefully that would at least keep all rounds to a weekend, rather than playing the 5th round midweek, like this year
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 28, 2020 13:12:12 GMT 1
But at the end of the day Mr Holt is right. If the FL and FA don’t get their act together and start looking at things from the lower league angle there will be no grass roots football of any worth.
Perhaps the PL should just play internationals and leave the lower leagues to have a full, proper domestic season.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jan 28, 2020 13:13:01 GMT 1
Earlier in the season we played Macclesfield Town. Most of their players turned up at the Meadow car park in their cars straight from work with sandwich boxes on the passenger seat or a McDonalds on their lap. The Liverpool players turned up in their big posh red coach with a second coach immediately behind it containing support staff. This included private security, chefs, family liason staff, doctors etc. You do have to feel sorry for the Liverpool players who sometimes have to play two games in a week as well as training in a morning and playing computer games at home in the afternoons. They do need a winter break. It is the whole PL not just Liverpool, and i'm no fan of theirs.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jan 28, 2020 13:13:53 GMT 1
So whilst the drop in prices is welcome for us Shrews fans going up there, it’s potentially a huge drop in income for us. If those prices are half price the normal ticket, Salop could end up taking 370 k from gate receipts rather than 750k (if my maths is right) LESS COSTS !!!
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2020 13:18:04 GMT 1
55% we get even if they went for top prices, £30 would be for an adult in the best seats the biggest areas of the ground would be £16 kids would still be £5 Each club get's 45% after costs, FA get the other 10% where does it say that ? I'm sure we get 55% and Liverpool 45% and the FA get FA
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jan 28, 2020 13:23:02 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2020 13:25:22 GMT 1
that is 2 years out of date but even that states we get 50% and them 40% I think you'll find its 55% now
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 13:39:14 GMT 1
The FA definitely get 10%, thats where the prise money comes from.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jan 28, 2020 13:54:23 GMT 1
Taken from the-fa-cup-rules-2019-20.pdf
22. PROCEEDS OF MATCHES PRIOR TO THE SEMI-FINALS (a) The net gate receipts due from a match (except replayed matches in consequence of a breach of the Rules) shall be the total ticket sales for the match less VAT, the travelling (and possibly accommodation) expenses of the Visiting Club, the fees and expenses of the Match Officials, and other match expenses allowed under the Competition Rules (which include costs relating to gate attendants, turnstile operators, stewards, police charges, floodlighting in accordance with the Competition Rules, contributions to the costs of First Aid Helpers and any costs relating to clearing the ground of snow and water provided the Visiting Club is consulted beforehand on the approximate costs). Any shortfalls in receipts are the responsibility of the home club and are not to be shared. The Professional Game Board shall have the power from time to time to issue instructions as to what shall and shall not be allowed as a match expense. (b) Subject to Rules 22(k) and (l), net gate receipts shall be divided as follows: (i) In all matches prior to the Third Round of the Competition Proper the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided equally between the competing Clubs. (ii) Save for those matches set out in (iii), in all matches played from (and including) the Third Round of the Competition Proper prior to the Semi-Final the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided equally between the competing Clubs. (iii) In all matches played from (and including) the Third Round of the Competition Proper prior to the Semi-Final, involving Clubs outside The FA Premier League or The English Football League playing against Clubs from The FA Premier League or The English Football League, the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided between the Clubs competing in each match as follows: 55% to Clubs outside The FA Premier League or The English Football League. 45% to FA Premier League or English Football League Clubs. (c) The net gate receipts shall be approximately divided immediately after the match. A full statement of account for the match shall be prepared by the Club playing at its home ground, on the prescribed Statement of Receipts and Payments Form, and payment shall be made in full to the Visiting Club and The Association within 14 days of the match. The Statement of Receipts and Payments Form must be signed by a Director or Football Secretary of the home Club. A Club failing to comply with this clause may be ordered to pay a fine and any other punishment, including non-admission in the future to the Competition, may be imposed as determined by the Professional Game Board. (d) No competing Club shall make any Agreement with any other competing Club by which their obligations under the Rules regarding the sharing of net gate receipts may be varied or amended in any way. “Agreement” for the purpose of the Rules of the Competition means any agreement, arrangement, obligation, undertaking or understanding whether oral or written, formal or informal, contractual or otherwise, binding in law or otherwise, and of any nature whatsoever; and which includes for these purposes any attempt to enter into any such Agreement
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 28, 2020 13:55:04 GMT 1
Considering the number of posters who claimed to have no interest in Premier League football and couldn’t even name any Liverpool players, it would seem like a few have been on a crash course and now consider themselves experts.
Let’s Liverpool worry about Liverpool and let us worry about winning. Any reduction in ticket revenue will be more than made up for in the prize fee and next round revenue if they play a terrible team and we advance, as I’m expecting.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2020 13:56:31 GMT 1
22. PROCEEDS OF MATCHES PRIOR TO THE SEMI-FINALS (a) The net gate receipts due from a match (except replayed matches in consequence of a breach of the Rules) shall be the total ticket sales for the match less VAT, the travelling (and possibly accommodation) expenses of the Visiting Club, the fees and expenses of the Match Officials, and other match expenses allowed under the Competition Rules (which include costs relating to gate attendants, turnstile operators, stewards, police charges, floodlighting in accordance with the Competition Rules, contributions to the costs of First Aid Helpers and any costs relating to clearing the ground of snow and water provided the Visiting Club is consulted beforehand on the approximate costs). Any shortfalls in receipts are the responsibility of the home club and are not to be shared. The Professional Game Board shall have the power from time to time to issue instructions as to what shall and shall not be allowed as a match expense. (b) Subject to Rules 22(k) and (l), net gate receipts shall be divided as follows: (i) In all matches prior to the Third Round of the Competition Proper the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided equally between the competing Clubs. (ii) Save for those matches set out in (iii), in all matches played from (and including) the Third Round of the Competition Proper prior to the Semi-Final the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided equally between the competing Clubs. (iii) In all matches played from (and including) the Third Round of the Competition Proper prior to the Semi-Final, involving Clubs outside The FA Premier League or The English Football League playing against Clubs from The FA Premier League or The English Football League, the net gate receipts of each match shall be divided between the Clubs competing in each match as follows: 55% to Clubs outside The FA Premier League or The English Football League. 45% to FA Premier League or English Football League Clubs. (c) The net gate receipts shall be approximately divided immediately after the match. A full statement of account for the match shall be prepared by the Club playing at its home ground, on the prescribed Statement of Receipts and Payments Form, and payment shall be made in full to the Visiting Club and The Association within 14 days of the match. The Statement of Receipts and Payments Form must be signed by a Director or Football Secretary of the home Club. A Club failing to comply with this clause may be ordered to pay a fine and any other punishment, including non-admission in the future to the Competition, may be imposed as determined by the Professional Game Board. (d) No competing Club shall make any Agreement with any other competing Club by which their obligations under the Rules regarding the sharing of net gate receipts may be varied or amended in any way. “Agreement” for the purpose of the Rules of the Competition means any agreement, arrangement, obligation, undertaking or understanding whether oral or written, formal or informal, contractual or otherwise, binding in law or otherwise, and of any nature whatsoever; and which includes for these purposes any attempt to enter into any such Agreement So 55% then
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jan 28, 2020 14:08:32 GMT 1
Maybe Jurgen expects a cut from the FA Klopp matches
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 28, 2020 14:44:43 GMT 1
Bit daft this with this wait isn't it. Would have thought that would have the dates and times by now.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 28, 2020 14:52:36 GMT 1
Perhaps Mr Klopp hasn’t told them which night he and the kids would prefer yet.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Jan 28, 2020 15:11:54 GMT 1
Guess I'm not the only one finding this delay in announcing the date a little tedious. I can do either date but Tuesday much the better for me, but it's not like we don't have arrangements to make.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 15:17:29 GMT 1
Perhaps Mr Klopp hasn’t told them which night he and the kids would prefer yet. and it will have to be an early kick off as his kids will have to be in bed by 9!
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2020 15:24:40 GMT 1
Perhaps Mr Klopp hasn’t told them which night he and the kids would prefer yet. and it will have to be an early kick off as his kids will have to be in bed by 9! we'll put them to bed for him ;-)
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jan 28, 2020 15:30:26 GMT 1
and it will have to be an early kick off as his kids will have to be in bed by 9! we'll put them to bed for him ;-) Steaaaaaaaaaaady............
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Post by venceremos on Jan 28, 2020 15:32:25 GMT 1
So whilst the drop in prices is welcome for us Shrews fans going up there, it’s potentially a huge drop in income for us. If those prices are half price the normal ticket, Salop could end up taking 370 k from gate receipts rather than 750k (if my maths is right) I dont think you're maths are right if the average price was £10 and they sell 50,000 that's 500K less vat £400k we'd get about 55% of that after various cost have been taken it would be more like half of your estimate Speaking of arithmetic - £500k less VAT is £416.67k.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jan 28, 2020 15:44:01 GMT 1
[/quote]So 55% then [/quote] between the Clubs competing in each match as follows: 55% to Clubs OUTSIDE The FA Premier League or The English Football League. 45% to FA Premier League or English Football League Clubs. Thought we were an English Football League club? 🤪
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 28, 2020 15:55:39 GMT 1
I dont think you're maths are right if the average price was £10 and they sell 50,000 that's 500K less vat £400k we'd get about 55% of that after various cost have been taken it would be more like half of your estimate Speaking of arithmetic - £500k less VAT is £416.67k. still a very nice boost to our income.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2020 15:56:38 GMT 1
So 55% then [/quote] between the Clubs competing in each match as follows: 55% to Clubs OUTSIDE The FA Premier League or The English Football League. 45% to FA Premier League or English Football League Clubs. Thought we were an English Football League club? 🤪 [/quote] I almost got away with it ;-)
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2020 15:58:28 GMT 1
I dont think you're maths are right if the average price was £10 and they sell 50,000 that's 500K less vat £400k we'd get about 55% of that after various cost have been taken it would be more like half of your estimate Speaking of arithmetic - £500k less VAT is £416.67k. please forgive me, I thought vat was 20%
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 28, 2020 16:01:12 GMT 1
Speaking of arithmetic - £500k less VAT is £416.67k. please forgive me, I thought vat was 20% It is..... Your calculation had it at 25%.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 28, 2020 16:12:12 GMT 1
please forgive me, I thought vat was 20% It is..... Your calculation had it at 25%. Indeed, so …….. I'm not in a mood for forgiveness …….
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jan 28, 2020 16:23:06 GMT 1
Speaking of arithmetic - £500k less VAT is £416.67k. still a very nice boost to our income. Divided by 2 and less expenses
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Post by tvor on Jan 28, 2020 16:25:46 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 28, 2020 16:38:37 GMT 1
Well he should feel more than a bit sorry for Shrewsbury because it did take the attention in the details away from how well we had done to a certain extent.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2020 17:17:08 GMT 1
please forgive me, I thought vat was 20% It is..... Your calculation had it at 25%. am I missing something here ?
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Post by venceremos on Jan 28, 2020 17:50:14 GMT 1
It is..... Your calculation had it at 25%. am I missing something here ? £500k including VAT means 20% VAT has been added to the net figure. If the net figure was £400k, adding 20% VAT would be £80k, or £480k in total. When the £500k includes VAT at 20%, multiplying by 5/6 gets you the net figure (£416.67k) and dividing by 6 gets you to the amount of VAT (£83.33K). It's a common mistake to think that taking 20% of a VAT inclusive figure equals the VAT amount. You have to remember VAT is added on to a price, so the net amount is 100% and adding VAT makes the gross figure 120%.
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