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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jan 28, 2020 10:59:12 GMT 1
Or the delay could be that the TV matches haven’t been finalised yet. on the FA website all the replay's are still "subject to being selected for live TV"
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2020 11:08:00 GMT 1
So what is Klopp moaning about then. We are definitely being used as part of his own agenda with the FA and I don’t like it. He made an error in his team selection so just get on with it. There was no need to throw his toys out of the prism in publicHe could have just said ok we go back to Anfield, picked a team on the day and been there for them quietly and calmly and no one, including us, would have known that he was degrading the match. I lay my colours to the mast and say I don’t like him one bit - prima Donna, diva, call him what you like. Rhink of all the other Premiership managers we have had at the Meadow and none of them have been so rude. the FA need to set a Saracens type example here you know its makes sense ;-)
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Post by claphamshrew on Jan 28, 2020 11:08:09 GMT 1
Fair comments Feedo and Stutty forgot about internationals. His attitude still doesn’t sit well with me although saying that I’m happy enough if he plays the young lads.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jan 28, 2020 11:16:49 GMT 1
Liverpool have confirmed the prices at-
Adults: £15 Over 65s: £11.50 Young adults: £5 Juniors: £1 (within the advertised family sections)
The entire stadium will be ticketed and we have requested the full allocation of tickets for the game (8,000).
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 28, 2020 11:25:18 GMT 1
I'll be going to Anfield all being well. It will be great to pay my respects to the Liverpool greats of the past. Toshack, Keegan, Thompson, St. John, Clemence. and the fantastic Tommy Smith, etc, not to mention the giant among giants of a manager in Bill Shankley. I couldn't give a funkey's muck about the present incumbent of the manager's seat not being there, I find him rather a preening laughable person prone to hysterical outbursts. He's not fit to lick Shankley's boots.
In the 1971/72 season, Liverpool played 42 games, plus cup matches, with a squad of 24. I don't know if any Juan asked Shankley if they were "tired".
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 28, 2020 11:26:17 GMT 1
I don’t expect the players would have dared say if they were either.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2020 11:31:14 GMT 1
Shame that wasn’t put to Klopp. They might have done a bit more travelling but given they have a far bigger squad and no doubt more backroom staff and facilities helping with player recovery I’d argue we have more of a case for a break than them! In fairness, all of our players with the exception of Pierre and Beckles have had a week off basically every month. in all fairness my arse what about playing this reserve side ?, I've added the number of Liverpool starts Klopp has no argument and needs to look into the mirror to see who's fault it is Adrian 15 Lovren 13 Gomes 26 Matip 11 Milner 28 Fabinho 28 Ox 26 Kieta 14 Shaqiri 10 Llalama 18 Origi 30
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Post by venceremos on Jan 28, 2020 11:36:28 GMT 1
Shame that wasn’t put to Klopp. They might have done a bit more travelling but given they have a far bigger squad and no doubt more backroom staff and facilities helping with player recovery I’d argue we have more of a case for a break than them! In fairness, all of our players with the exception of Pierre and Beckles have had a week off basically every month. I bet Adrian, Matip, Lovren, Shaqiri, Origi, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Lallana and a few others, not to mention all of the kids, have had more than a week off playing every month. As that Spurs fan so eloquently put it "I don't give a s**t about a 'top' team's busy schedule". They've got enormous squads of good players backing up the really good ones, they've got fantastic physio and medical teams and they're playing no more matches than successful teams have always played - and on far more athlete-friendly pitches too. I haven't a shred of sympathy for Klopp's argument. If he wants to rest some players then rest those players. If Salah, Firmino and Mané are burning out, that's on him and his style of play. Perhaps a good manager would manage the squad rotation throughout the season a bit better, rather than starting to whine before we've even got to February.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 11:40:42 GMT 1
1. PL Clubs in Europe don't play in the EFL Cup at all or 2. EFL Cup becomes just that, a cup for EFL clubs
Beggars belief that there are plans to increase CL games by 4 for those getting to the final. CL should also just be for the champions not the next 3 "also rans"!
Sooner the f-off to a European League the better IMO. These big clubs are so up themselves they are oblivious to the the level of contempt other fans have for them.
I’m not talking just about the Shrews Liverpool game. I’m talking generally. Most clubs (even our own) might (solely from a physical point of view) not want replays in certain cup games. If we draw at home to Lincoln say in the FA cup at home not many of us would be pumped for the trek to Lincoln. I’m talking about the bigger picture. Sometimes it’s best all round to settle the game on the night in some cup competitions. I think the physical side of the game has changed. Player’s cover more ground, more sprints, more physically demanding. Anyway ✌️
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2020 11:41:25 GMT 1
In fairness, all of our players with the exception of Pierre and Beckles have had a week off basically every month. I bet Adrian, Matip, Lovren, Shaqiri, Origi, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Lallana and a few others, not to mention all of the kids, have had more than a week off playing every month. As that Spurs fan so eloquently put it "I don't give a s**t about a 'top' team's busy schedule". They've got enormous squads of good players backing up the really good ones, they've got fantastic physio and medical teams and they're playing no more matches than successful teams have always played - and on far more athlete-friendly pitches too. I haven't a shred of sympathy for Klopp's argument. If he wants to rest some players then rest those players. If Salah, Firmino and Mané are burning out, that's on him and his style of play. Perhaps a good manager would manage the squad rotation throughout the season a bit better, rather than starting to whine before we've even got to February. I really wish the league table was tighter he would do a Keegan any day now ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 11:46:39 GMT 1
Really torn on this. Replays offer smaller teams a big day out but equally the fixtures some teams have to play is getting beyond a joke. Scr@p the league cup is a better solution IMO. Are you meaning the fixtures they have to play like the Premiership and Champions League, as they use fringe and youth players for other fixtures, so no sympathy there. Have you heard any of the lower league clubs with smaller squads moaning about the amount of games they have to play too? Not talking about this game specifically. Talking that there are lots of games in the season where players are expected to perform at a high intensity week in week out. Have you ever ran for 90 minutes x3 times a week continually for 9 months? And travelling around the UK every week? And then Europe too? Player’s aren’t robots. They get tired too, regardless of recovery etc. ✌️
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Post by ackeyshrew on Jan 28, 2020 11:55:41 GMT 1
So whilst the drop in prices is welcome for us Shrews fans going up there, it’s potentially a huge drop in income for us. If those prices are half price the normal ticket, Salop could end up taking 370 k from gate receipts rather than 750k (if my maths is right)
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 28, 2020 11:58:15 GMT 1
So whilst the drop in prices is welcome for us Shrews fans going up there, it’s potentially a huge drop in income for us. If those prices are half price the normal ticket, Salop could end up taking 370 k from gate receipts rather than 750k (if my maths is right) Unless we agreed to the prices but Liverpool offered to make up the difference as Spurs did with Rochdale last season.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 28, 2020 12:00:32 GMT 1
1. PL Clubs in Europe don't play in the EFL Cup at all or 2. EFL Cup becomes just that, a cup for EFL clubs
Beggars belief that there are plans to increase CL games by 4 for those getting to the final. CL should also just be for the champions not the next 3 "also rans"!
Sooner the f-off to a European League the better IMO. These big clubs are so up themselves they are oblivious to the the level of contempt other fans have for them.
I’m not talking just about the Shrews Liverpool game. I’m talking generally. Most clubs (even our own) might (solely from a physical point of view) not want replays in certain cup games. If we draw at home to Lincoln say in the FA cup at home not many of us would be pumped for the trek to Lincoln. I’m talking about the bigger picture. Sometimes it’s best all round to settle the game on the night in some cup competitions. I think the physical side of the game has changed. Player’s cover more ground, more sprints, more physically demanding. Anyway ✌️ You're right, the game is more demanding physically in some ways - but not all. The pitches are far less demanding or dangerous for players and they're far less at risk of being injured in a tackle than years ago. In the past, at least 10 players had to complete 90 minutes every game. Now only 8 do and players can be selected to only play part of a game every week - like our strikers. Squads are better in terms of quality and quantity, so it's much easier for a manager to rest a couple of players without it really compromising the team. And then you factor in the massive improvements in player welfare - physio, nutrition, medical and just the professionalism of the players themselves (as in losing the old drinking culture). I'm not for flogging the life out of a player for 65 games or for them having to play twice a week all season. But it's unnecessary for any player to do that. The same players don't have to be played every single game. If Liverpool have an easier game, leave Mané and Henderson on the bench and they might not need to be used at all. We might even see a more competitive league! If we're to reduce the number of games (which I think is a reasonable idea anyway), I'd ditch the Checkatrade and drop PL clubs from the League Cup. I'd also scrap the numbingly tedious CL and EL group stages but you can bet Liverpool don't want fewer games in that competition! As for the FA Cup, I wouldn't mind replays being scrapped altogether but, as a quid pro quo, I quite liked Gary Lineker's suggestion that the lower league club gets to choose whether to play its tie against PL opposition at home or away.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 28, 2020 12:13:29 GMT 1
So whilst the drop in prices is welcome for us Shrews fans going up there, it’s potentially a huge drop in income for us. If those prices are half price the normal ticket, Salop could end up taking 370 k from gate receipts rather than 750k (if my maths is right) I guess they had to drop the price in a way after such a public statement that the first team wouldn’t be playing!
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 28, 2020 12:14:32 GMT 1
So whilst the drop in prices is welcome for us Shrews fans going up there, it’s potentially a huge drop in income for us. If those prices are half price the normal ticket, Salop could end up taking 370 k from gate receipts rather than 750k (if my maths is right) Unless we agreed to the prices but Liverpool offered to make up the difference as Spurs did with Rochdale last season. I’ve just looked out of the window and I’m sure I saw a pig flying over. However, I may be wrong - it would be nice to think that Liverpool had made such a gesture.
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Post by wakemanender on Jan 28, 2020 12:18:03 GMT 1
Earlier in the season we played Macclesfield Town. Most of their players turned up at the Meadow car park in their cars straight from work with sandwich boxes on the passenger seat or a McDonalds on their lap. The Liverpool players turned up in their big posh red coach with a second coach immediately behind it containing support staff. This included private security, chefs, family liason staff, doctors etc. You do have to feel sorry for the Liverpool players who sometimes have to play two games in a week as well as training in a morning and playing computer games at home in the afternoons. They do need a winter break.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2020 12:18:03 GMT 1
So whilst the drop in prices is welcome for us Shrews fans going up there, it’s potentially a huge drop in income for us. If those prices are half price the normal ticket, Salop could end up taking 370 k from gate receipts rather than 750k (if my maths is right) I dont think you're maths are right if the average price was £10 and they sell 50,000 that's 500K less vat £400k we'd get about 55% of that after various cost have been taken it would be more like half of your estimate
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jan 28, 2020 12:21:20 GMT 1
Playing devil's advocate here I don't really see a problem with what Klopp is doing, maybe not managing the game is a tad disrespectful but no problem with his team selection. His and the clubs priority and rightly so is to finally win the league and have a good run in the champions league. His sides tend to suffer from burnout as the season drags on and at least he's always been consistent in asking for a winter break. The premier league have finally given them one and he intends to use it.
All in all it gives us a better chance of progressing so I can't for the life of me see why there's so much hatred towards what is arguably one of the best managers in the modern game.
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Post by ackeyshrew on Jan 28, 2020 12:24:16 GMT 1
I it as 54k * £30 average price * 45% return for Town after costs - then halved that
Assumptions were made - ignored the kids prices - all back of a fag packet, but it's a tidy sum of money we could potentially lose either way.....
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Post by tvor on Jan 28, 2020 12:26:32 GMT 1
His sides tend to suffer from burnout as the season drags on and at least he's always been consistent in asking for a winter break. The premier league have finally given them one and he intends to use it. The winter break was a joint agreement between the Premier League and The FA, with The FA strongly advocating for it. The Premier League and The FA are jointly responsible for putting into place a winter break without fully thinking through the consequences for The FA Cup. The FA are every bit as much to blame for this as anyone else, but they're now desperately trying to give the impression it's nothing to do with them by deflecting the blame elsewhere.
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 28, 2020 12:27:04 GMT 1
Playing devil's advocate here I don't really see a problem with what Klopp is doing, maybe not managing the game is a tad disrespectful but no problem with his team selection. His and the clubs priority and rightly so is to finally win the league and have a good run in the champions league. His sides tend to suffer from burnout as the season drags on and at least he's always been consistent in asking for a winter break. The premier league have finally given them one and he intends to use it. All in all it gives us a better chance of progressing so I can't for the life of me see why there's so much hatred towards what is arguably one of the best managers in the modern game. But does he need to windge about it quite so much starting in his post match interview......
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2020 12:27:10 GMT 1
Playing devil's advocate here I don't really see a problem with what Klopp is doing, maybe not managing the game is a tad disrespectful but no problem with his team selection. His and the clubs priority and rightly so is to finally win the league and have a good run in the champions league. His sides tend to suffer from burnout as the season drags on and at least he's always been consistent in asking for a winter break. The premier league have finally given them one and he intends to use it. All in all it gives us a better chance of progressing so I can't for the life of me see why there's so much hatred towards what is arguably one of the best managers in the modern game. mainly because he could have fielded a far stronger squad on Sunday , none of which are likely to start this weekend, which is the final game before the international break and none of which have played anywhere near the amount of games that all the town players have we play tomorrow, and don't have a break coming up
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2020 12:27:45 GMT 1
I it as 54k * £30 average price * 45% return for Town after costs - then halved that Assumptions were made - ignored the kids prices - all back of a fag packet, but it's a tidy sum of money we could potentially lose either way..... 55% we get even if they went for top prices, £30 would be for an adult in the best seats the biggest areas of the ground would be £16 kids would still be £5
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 28, 2020 12:28:52 GMT 1
Earlier in the season we played Macclesfield Town. Most of their players turned up at the Meadow car park in their cars straight from work with sandwich boxes on the passenger seat or a McDonalds on their lap. The Liverpool players turned up in their big posh red coach with a second coach immediately behind it containing support staff. This included private security, chefs, family liason staff, doctors etc. You do have to feel sorry for the Liverpool players who sometimes have to play two games in a week as well as training in a morning and playing computer games at home in the afternoons. They do need a winter break. Absolutely. They don’t know they’re born. They may travel but it won’t be third class or public transport. They are paid obscene amounts of money. All this nonsense about having a break is driving me mad. They get a long break in the summer which they certainly don’t spend at Butlins (if you see what I mean), as someone else has said there are international breaks and if the clubs used non international players for that time there needn’t be such a fixture congestion. The FA and the League pander to the Premier Clubs left, right and centre. They are allowed to use the lower leagues competition for their youth players, they now have a winter break and are allowed to dictate which players they will use if fixtures don’t suit them. What more do they want. By the way, I can’t be bothered to look, but are there any other Premier clubs with replays next week? And, if so, are they making such a public fuss about it?
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 28, 2020 12:30:51 GMT 1
Playing devil's advocate here I don't really see a problem with what Klopp is doing, maybe not managing the game is a tad disrespectful but no problem with his team selection. His and the clubs priority and rightly so is to finally win the league and have a good run in the champions league. His sides tend to suffer from burnout as the season drags on and at least he's always been consistent in asking for a winter break. The premier league have finally given them one and he intends to use it. All in all it gives us a better chance of progressing so I can't for the life of me see why there's so much hatred towards what is arguably one of the best managers in the modern game. But does he need to windge about it quite so much starting in his post match interview...... Precisely.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 28, 2020 12:37:25 GMT 1
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Post by tvor on Jan 28, 2020 12:40:47 GMT 1
Andy Holt has been banging on about this since Sunday without in any way recognising the part the FA played in how the current situation arose.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2020 12:41:47 GMT 1
Andy Holt has been banging on about this since Sunday without in any way recognising the part the FA played in how the current situation arose. in court the prosecution doesn't present the case for the defence too ;-)
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jan 28, 2020 12:56:39 GMT 1
I it as 54k * £30 average price * 45% return for Town after costs - then halved that Assumptions were made - ignored the kids prices - all back of a fag packet, but it's a tidy sum of money we could potentially lose either way..... 55% we get even if they went for top prices, £30 would be for an adult in the best seats the biggest areas of the ground would be £16 kids would still be £5 Each club get's 45% after costs, FA get the other 10%
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