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Post by GlosShrew on Mar 30, 2019 22:36:53 GMT 1
Stats for the bottom ten managers - league games only - minimum of 10 matches
NAME | Played | Won | Drawn | Lost | Pts per game
| Johnnie Spuhler
| 13 | 3 | 1 | 9 | 0.77 | Mike Jackson
| 19 | 3 | 7 | 9 | 0.84 | Maurice Evans
| 52 | 12 | 15 | 25
| 0.98 | John Askey
| 16 | 4 | 5 | 7 | 1.06 | Sam Ricketts
| 20 | 5 | 7 | 8 | 1.10 | Sammy Crooks
| 184
| 54
| 41
| 89
| 1.10
| Asa Hartford
| 46
| 12
| 16
| 18
| 1.13
| Kevin Ratcliffe
| 166
| 50
| 43
| 73
| 1.16
| Ian McNeil
| 90
| 24
| 33
| 33
| 1.17
| Jake King
| 108
| 33
| 30
| 45
| 1.19
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 30, 2019 23:58:46 GMT 1
Stats for the bottom ten managers - league games only - minimum of 10 matches
NAME | Played | Won | Drawn | Lost | Pts per game
| Johnnie Spuhler
| 13 | 3 | 1 | 9 | 0.77 | Mike Jackson
| 19 | 3 | 7 | 9 | 0.84 | Maurice Evans
| 52 | 12 | 15 | 25
| 0.98 | John Askey
| 16 | 4 | 5 | 7 | 1.06 | Sam Ricketts
| 20 | 5 | 7 | 8 | 1.10 | Sammy Crooks
| 184
| 54
| 41
| 89
| 1.10
| Asa Hartford
| 46
| 12
| 16
| 18
| 1.13
| Kevin Ratcliffe
| 166
| 50
| 43
| 73
| 1.16
| Ian McNeil
| 90
| 24
| 33
| 33
| 1.17
| Jake King
| 108
| 33
| 30
| 45
| 1.19
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Surprised to see Jake King so ‘high’ in the list. How much further up is Gary Peters? Pulled out some good results for us over a few years before it all went a bit pear shaped when we got to N M
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Post by thesensationaljt on Mar 31, 2019 1:11:20 GMT 1
I hate to mention his name, but also worth a mention in dispatches is Juan.....Harry Gregg. His favourite saying was, "If the right player comes along at the right price, I'll buy him". The right player never appeared.
I believe his record with Town was a 33% win record. He then moved to Swansea where he achieved a 33% win record, before moving to Crewe where he achieved a 32% win record, before making a right duck's arse at Carlisle with a 27% win record.
I always remember my older Bro saying it was the only time he stopped going to games under Gregg because the football was that bad, he'd lost the will to live. We didn't bother to look at the owd scoreboard at Gay Meadow at half time, because we knew "A" would read 0 - 0.
(The Bro is still alive by the way).
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Post by northwestman on Mar 31, 2019 10:00:05 GMT 1
1970 Shrewsbury 7 Blackburn 1 1971 Shrewsbury 7 Port Vale 3
Any team with a forward line of Roberts, Andrews, Wood and Groves will be entertaining and score goals. No idea why your older brother has that opinion.
And Gregg resigned after Wood and Groves were sold over his head.
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Post by ssshrew on Mar 31, 2019 10:15:51 GMT 1
1. Simpson-had a decent budget, spent a then record fee and had some very good players he couldn't manage. 2. Simpson-as above. 3. Simpson-as above. I was just going to post something similar and then saw this!! Agree completely.
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Post by tvor on Mar 31, 2019 12:00:59 GMT 1
1970 Shrewsbury 7 Blackburn 1 1971 Shrewsbury 7 Port Vale 3 Any team with a forward line of Roberts, Andrews, Wood and Groves will be entertaining and score goals. No idea why your older brother has that opinion. And Gregg resigned after Wood and Groves were sold over his head. Ricky Moir commented on the Meadow Memories DVD about how Harry Gregg's side spent so much time attacking that they forgot about defending.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Mar 31, 2019 12:14:57 GMT 1
1970 Shrewsbury 7 Blackburn 1 1971 Shrewsbury 7 Port Vale 3 Any team with a forward line of Roberts, Andrews, Wood and Groves will be entertaining and score goals. No idea why your older brother has that opinion. And Gregg resigned after Wood and Groves were sold over his head.
Bit selective that. Here's Juan I prepared earlier.
www.11v11.com/teams/shrewsbury-town/tab/matches/season/1971/
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Post by northwestman on Mar 31, 2019 14:20:18 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 31, 2019 14:42:22 GMT 1
Would have been a good season if you ignor Jan / Feb when we played 10 won 1 drew 1 and lost 8
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Post by northwestman on Mar 31, 2019 14:53:07 GMT 1
Would have been a good season if you ignor Jan / Feb when we played 10 won 1 drew 1 and lost 8 Yes, but we still scored plenty of goals during the season and were entertained. That period also included a 2-0 cup defeat where we played a Derby team of Boulton, Webster, Todd, McFarland, Robson, Durban, Gemmill, McGovern, Hinton, Hector. O'Hare. Derby won the Football League Championship that year.
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Post by philjh on Mar 31, 2019 18:03:34 GMT 1
1970 Shrewsbury 7 Blackburn 1 1971 Shrewsbury 7 Port Vale 3 Any team with a forward line of Roberts, Andrews, Wood and Groves will be entertaining and score goals. No idea why your older brother has that opinion. And Gregg resigned after Wood and Groves were sold over his head.
Bit selective that. Here's Juan I prepared earlier.
www.11v11.com/teams/shrewsbury-town/tab/matches/season/1971/
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Post by philjh on Mar 31, 2019 18:04:59 GMT 1
Really rated Harry Gregg, pity that, he was the one that moved Alf Wood to CF the rest is history.
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Post by tdk on Mar 31, 2019 19:09:43 GMT 1
Harry Gregg also brought in Ken Mulhern, and we had Joe Corrigan on loan
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Post by Worthingshrew on Mar 31, 2019 20:17:52 GMT 1
Jake King, many of the worst players ever to pull oN a Town shirt were signed by him.
Then Ratclffe, who hadgood playersbut failed to get anything out of them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 22:34:51 GMT 1
1. Simpson - If you consider FOUR teams had major points deductions in the "Grant Holt plus guests" season, we had no business even being in the play-offs which is shocking! He also signed Kris Bright. Awful. Though I have fond memories of laughing at him getting turned over by GT's side at Stockport.
2. Ratcliffe - Should have been sacked/resigned before we got into that mess.
3. Mickey Mellon (In L1) - Excellent L2 manager but really struggled to make the step up. Discipline went out the window and signed players like it was going out of style. Decent man however and did a good job in L2.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 22:36:24 GMT 1
Stats for the bottom ten managers - league games only - minimum of 10 matches
NAME | Played | Won | Drawn | Lost | Pts per game
| Johnnie Spuhler
| 13 | 3 | 1 | 9 | 0.77 | Mike Jackson
| 19 | 3 | 7 | 9 | 0.84 | Maurice Evans
| 52 | 12 | 15 | 25
| 0.98 | John Askey
| 16 | 4 | 5 | 7 | 1.06 | Sam Ricketts
| 20 | 5 | 7 | 8 | 1.10 | Sammy Crooks
| 184
| 54
| 41
| 89
| 1.10
| Asa Hartford
| 46
| 12
| 16
| 18
| 1.13
| Kevin Ratcliffe
| 166
| 50
| 43
| 73
| 1.16
| Ian McNeil
| 90
| 24
| 33
| 33
| 1.17
| Jake King
| 108
| 33
| 30
| 45
| 1.19
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Surprised to see Jake King so ‘high’ in the list. How much further up is Gary Peters? Pulled out some good results for us over a few years before it all went a bit pear shaped when we got to N M Ironic that GP was the perfect Gay Meadow manager in some respects, but he hated the place....and upon moving we had to change styles which he couldn't cope with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 7:07:49 GMT 1
1 Ratcliffe
2. Ratcliffe
3. Ratcliffe
He was so bad he deserves all three spots.
However, we’re not out of the woods yet and Ricketts could make no3 spot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 8:40:53 GMT 1
1. Simpson - If you consider FOUR teams had major points deductions in the "Grant Holt plus guests" season, we had no business even being in the play-offs which is shocking! He also signed Kris Bright. Awful. Though I have fond memories of laughing at him getting turned over by GT's side at Stockport. 2. Ratcliffe - Should have been sacked/resigned before we got into that mess. 3. Mickey Mellon (In L1) - Excellent L2 manager but really struggled to make the step up. Discipline went out the window and signed players like it was going out of style. Decent man however and did a good job in L2. Absolutely remarkable you would consider a manager who achieved promotion at the first attempt, completely rebuilding a team, and putting faith in 2 youngsters who have gone on to make us over £3m in transfer fees one of our 'worst' managers. Edit. You can put 'in L1' all you want. The lack of respect is shoddy. Dust yawself dow'n son.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 9:19:56 GMT 1
1. Simpson - If you consider FOUR teams had major points deductions in the "Grant Holt plus guests" season, we had no business even being in the play-offs which is shocking! He also signed Kris Bright. Awful. Though I have fond memories of laughing at him getting turned over by GT's side at Stockport. 2. Ratcliffe - Should have been sacked/resigned before we got into that mess. 3. Mickey Mellon (In L1) - Excellent L2 manager but really struggled to make the step up. Discipline went out the window and signed players like it was going out of style. Decent man however and did a good job in L2. Absolutely remarkable you would consider a manager who achieved promotion at the first attempt, completely rebuilding a team, and putting faith in 2 youngsters who have gone on to make us over £3m in transfer fees one of our 'worst' managers. Edit. You can put 'in L1' all you want. The lack of respect is shoddy. Dust yawself dow'n son. Bl00dy hell!
I clearly stated that, the difference between MM in L2 and L1 is quite clear...we looked very poor once we made the move up. It was only signing Kai Kai on loan that really saved us in his 2nd seasons, and when the transfer window rules were changed the following season MM was found out. The start to his second season in L1 was appalling and he clearly lost control...the discpline record was shocking with a good many red cards coming from 2nd bookings linked to sounding off at referees.
As said, very decent guy and did well in L2, but quickly ran out of ideas...he's only in my top 3 as the other managers i've seen had far smaller budgets (King & Davies), stabalised us (GP & PH), resigned when they knew they were out of their depth (Quinn), weren't here long enough to really rate and we're quickly moved on (Askey) or are living legends (GT).
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Post by Minormorris64 on Apr 1, 2019 10:29:36 GMT 1
1. Mau 2. rice 3. Evans
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Post by northwestman on Apr 1, 2019 10:52:17 GMT 1
The year Evans us down coincided with the miners/power workers strikes which resulted in midweek games having to be played in the afternoons. Not exactly the best of years!
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 1, 2019 11:56:12 GMT 1
Absolutely remarkable you would consider a manager who achieved promotion at the first attempt, completely rebuilding a team, and putting faith in 2 youngsters who have gone on to make us over £3m in transfer fees one of our 'worst' managers. Edit. You can put 'in L1' all you want. The lack of respect is shoddy. Dust yawself dow'n son. Bl00dy hell!
I clearly stated that, the difference between MM in L2 and L1 is quite clear...we looked very poor once we made the move up. It was only signing Kai Kai on loan that really saved us in his 2nd seasons, and when the transfer window rules were changed the following season MM was found out. The start to his second season in L1 was appalling and he clearly lost control...the discpline record was shocking with a good many red cards coming from 2nd bookings linked to sounding off at referees.
As said, very decent guy and did well in L2, but quickly ran out of ideas...he's only in my top 3 as the other managers i've seen had far smaller budgets (King & Davies), stabalised us (GP & PH), resigned when they knew they were out of their depth (Quinn), weren't here long enough to really rate and we're quickly moved on (Askey) or are living legends (GT).
I guess that sort of thing is true of many managers, move up a level and what brought them success at the lower level gets found out as you go up to the next. Think Jimmy Quinn, Graham Turner (2nd time round) as well as Mellon. Probably true of other managers at other clubs too at a guess.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Apr 1, 2019 12:41:00 GMT 1
The year Evans us down coincided with the miners/power workers strikes which resulted in midweek games having to be played in the afternoons. Not exactly the best of years! I was present when Town played Charlton Athletic in front of what must be their lowest LEAGUE Attendance of 1232, cracking game, I think the KIck Off was 5pm ?
1973/1974 Tue 19 Mar Shrewsbury Town 3 - 3 Charlton Athletic League
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 12:47:16 GMT 1
The Jake years were the bleakest in my lifetime, however we were a very different club then. For me, it would probably be Simpson based on the budget he had, when that was taken away it became even more obvious what a chequebook manager he was.
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Post by MetaShrew on Apr 1, 2019 15:11:33 GMT 1
Ratcliffe definitely the worst in terms of 'proud to say he's our manager', even if statistically speaking there are other candidates for 'worst'. He thoroughly lost the plot. I've never had any real affection for Nigel Jemson either, who, let's face it, was similarly deluded towards the end, Everton goals or not.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 1, 2019 15:23:36 GMT 1
Ratcliffe definitely the worst in terms of 'proud to say he's our manager', even if statistically speaking there are other candidates for 'worst'. He thoroughly lost the plot. I've never had any real affection for Nigel Jemson either, who, let's face it, was similarly deluded towards the end, Everton goals or not. Jemson laid on an awful lot of goals for Luke Rodgers when he was young and extremely fast. Going forward Ratcliffe got it right, and we were quite exciting going forward especially the season we did quite well and only just missed out on the play offs (season before we got relegated).
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 1, 2019 18:55:12 GMT 1
In 73/4 Salop played wxm in an fa cup first round replay (drew 1-1 at wxm) we lost 2-1 in the replay, it was played on a Tuesday afternoon I think. We were awful, not many there either, can remember standing on the station end
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Post by JohnG on Apr 1, 2019 19:19:02 GMT 1
1. Ratcliffe - the drop in to the conference was a very low point along with the obvious reasons already stated.
2. Simpson - as per everyone else!
I felt sorry for Jake King, who is one of my favourite town players, the budget restrictions at that time are well known hence the non-league shopping.
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Post by tvor on Apr 1, 2019 20:11:23 GMT 1
I felt sorry for Jake King, who is one of my favourite town players, the budget restrictions at that time are well known hence the non-league shopping. I did too, but if I remember correctly he was able to sign a few players for significant transfer fees for that division at that time.
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Post by MetaShrew on Apr 2, 2019 16:47:36 GMT 1
Ratcliffe definitely the worst in terms of 'proud to say he's our manager', even if statistically speaking there are other candidates for 'worst'. He thoroughly lost the plot. I've never had any real affection for Nigel Jemson either, who, let's face it, was similarly deluded towards the end, Everton goals or not. Jemson laid on an awful lot of goals for Luke Rodgers when he was young and extremely fast. Going forward Ratcliffe got it right, and we were quite exciting going forward especially the season we did quite well and only just missed out on the play offs (season before we got relegated). I think this is where we can give Ratcliffe credit; but the highs are all negated by the comprehensive disaster that was the relegation season. And some might say he'd already done his best to finish us off in 2000, never mind 2003! Being hit for four, five, six goals every other week in 2002/03 erased his credibility – and he started going gaga in his dealings with supporters long before.
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