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Post by thesensationaljt on Mar 30, 2019 0:49:01 GMT 1
Wot a choice. No more than three, or I will get moderators to ejaculate you from the thread.
Kevin Ratcliffe. Did brilliantly at Chester. Moved them up to 9th in Juan season. Useless with us. An arrogant of the highest order. Never managed a club again, despite his agent touting him around.
Asa Hartford. Rabbit caught in headlights comes to mind. Kept trying to roll back the years by playing himself. For those that can't remember him, his legs had gone. I can only assume his brains had drained down to his legs. In desperation he brought in a mate of his, John Bond, to be his deputy. A former Town player who I was an acquaintance with told me, "Bond is stabbing him in the back". He did.
John Bond. Gord save us, another no hoper, who once hid in the stand when we played at Burnley? He was pictured in the papers wearing a cloth cap at the game. I think he bought the cap, I can't remember him winning Juan.
Your goo.
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Post by Ambergambler on Mar 30, 2019 8:32:22 GMT 1
I think you may have stolen the thunder on this one JT. Bond was a bully of a manager. Radcliffe for an ex international defender was clueless in that department. The third one for me was Peters , it was the only time I walked out of a match after we had won two nil and thought God that was crap.
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Post by tdk on Mar 30, 2019 9:11:56 GMT 1
John Bond
Despite the hysteria on the forum this season, no one comes anywhere near.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 30, 2019 9:28:46 GMT 1
No mention of Simpson yet?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 30, 2019 9:47:40 GMT 1
No mention of Simpson yet? before doing this as i have a memory like a sieve i went and looked at the roll call of former managers rather depressing how many poor ones we have had. i would have gone with the choices thesensationaljt made but i thought i would go with slightly more recent, and Peters, Simpson and Jackson and if we go down then Ricketts will replace Jackson.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 30, 2019 10:54:38 GMT 1
Maurice Evans us down to Division 4 in 1974 with a shocking points tally (31) but then did very well as Manager of Reading and Oxford.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Mar 30, 2019 11:01:50 GMT 1
The shortest appointment was former Norwich manager, Ken Brown, who was in charge for just Juan match before deciding he didn't want the job!
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Post by wakemanender on Mar 30, 2019 11:14:34 GMT 1
Strange one for me because Ian McNeil was crap and almost bankrupted the club but the period he was manager was also one of my favourite periods of supporting the club. He brought some amazing players to the club who were mainly Scottish but such colourful characters. Never won anything but never a dull moment on or off the field and had Mal Starkey the secretary at the time pulling his hair out. The period was bread and butter for the front and back pages of the Shropshire Star. No doubt about the worst manager of all time tho, Kevin Ratcliffe all day long.
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Post by R6ix on Mar 30, 2019 11:35:21 GMT 1
Simpson not seeing a player in mark pugh?
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Post by mrbunny on Mar 30, 2019 11:45:38 GMT 1
Ratcliffe for taking us down. Arrived when we were terrible and kept us up then improved us year on year before that disastrous last season where if we hadn't beaten Everton we may well have sacked him and stayed up. When you think back though going down was probably one of the best things that happened to the club as after fluking our way back up we have steadily improved as a club since with a few bumps in the road along the way but are in a much better position overall.
Simpson, how he could fail to get us promoted with that squad and seeing as quite a few of the squad ended up in the Championship and Premier League is beyond me. Scarily he will walk into a good job when he leaves England under 20's as he has done so well with them.
King, maybe being harsh on him given that managers that followed actually had a budget but boy the football was awful and we were struggling week after week.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 30, 2019 12:15:35 GMT 1
Whoever they are, rest assured there'll be three worse ones ready to play their part when their time comes. Or that's how it'll seem on here anyway.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Mar 30, 2019 12:16:57 GMT 1
Simpson not seeing a player in mark pugh?
I believe it was Peters who bought Pugh to Salop for 20 grand from Bury, then didn't play him. I suppose Simpson thought Peters was on to something and didn't play him either.
We'd gone up to Grimsby to watch Town. Pugh was warming up prior to the game. The conversation went like this : -
Big Nose : "You playing today, Mark?"
Pughy : "Nah, just a sub".
Big Nose : "Why can't you get a game?"
Pughy : " dunno. I'll just have to work hard in training and hope to get picked".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 12:17:21 GMT 1
Johnnie Spuhler. 13 games, 7 points. Between Harry Potts and Arthur Rowley.
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Post by haughmond on Mar 30, 2019 14:02:27 GMT 1
1) BOND. Complete of the highest order. The way he treated Dean Spink was abysmal, bordering on bullying. 2) SIMPSON. Another . Continued playing his son, who was the slowest teenager ever seen and bloody useless, and was another one who treated players he did not like abysmally. It seemed that he had a vendetta against Pugh from the off, even at the training camp pre- season in Spain. He moved Pugh on, I wonder who he ended up playing for? And who could forget the accusations he made against the travelling fans at Burton, apparently aimed at his wife. 3) RATCLIFFE, KING or HARTFORD. In his defence Jake King was hung out to dry given little to no money from the board, which is why most of his signings had to be non- league or League of Wales. RATCLIFFE was just poor, but HARTFORD was a conniving little runt who elbowed his way into the managers seat and stabbed the manager who he was supposed to assist in the back. I would make HARTFORD number 3.
On the other side of the coin, I wonder who the best three managers were. Lots to pick from starting from the Rowley era.??
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Post by Pilch on Mar 30, 2019 14:07:34 GMT 1
can I liken them to cars ?
John Bond, Lada Riva, most boring ever Graham Turner, Ford XR2, great during the late 70s and early 80s, still a favourite now but rusty and worn out Paul Simpson, Ford Focus Electric, basic car but will only take you a short distance Paul Hurst,Chrysler 300, nice but pretends to be something it isn't , can also let you down just when you need it Ian McNeill, Porche 911, great when new but will ultimately end with a massive crash Kevin Ratcliffe, De Lorean DMC, best known for something else from the mid 80s, good looking car, but disappointing performance and went under John Askey, Hackney Carriage, Taxi for Askey Sam Rickets, Vauxhall Astra, quite a few changes, no idea what to expect next ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 14:07:37 GMT 1
1. Simpson-had a decent budget, spent a then record fee and had some very good players he couldn't manage.
2. Simpson-as above.
3. Simpson-as above.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 30, 2019 14:18:53 GMT 1
can I liken them to cars ? John Bond, Lada Riva, most boring ever Graham Turner, Ford XR2, great during the late 70s and early 80s, still a favourite now but rusty and worn out Paul Simpson, Ford Focus Electric, basic car but will only take you a short distance Paul Hurst,Chrysler 300, nice but pretends to be something it isn't , can also let you down just when you need it Ian McNeill, Porche 911, great when new but will ultimately end with a massive crash Kevin Ratcliffe, De Lorean DMC, best known for something else from the mid 80s, good looking car, but disappointing performance and went under John Askey, Hackney Carriage, Taxi for Askey Sam Rickets, Vauxhall Astra, quite a few changes, no idea what to expect next ;-) Love it, especially the Paul Hurst one.........
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Mar 30, 2019 14:30:43 GMT 1
My personal worst 3. Asa Hartford, John Bond and Kevin Radcliffe. What was the name of our best midfielder in the team who Radcliffe kept playing as a centre back!
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Post by chirkshrew on Mar 30, 2019 14:32:12 GMT 1
Maurice Evans, John bond, and Paul Simpson, in that order. Was it 73/4 Evans was in charge, all I can remember about that team was they were all like midgets,a very small team, I think our striker then was Alan tarbuck, who was about 5 foot.sure Terry Hughes was round about that time as well. Correct me if I'm wrong guys
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 30, 2019 14:34:15 GMT 1
My personal worst 3. Asa Hartford, John Bond and Kevin Radcliffe. What was the name of our best midfielder in the team who Radcliffe kept playing as a centre back! Carl Murray? Last desperate clutching at straws from Ratcliffe, probably one of the best defenders of his era. Still shake my head at this one.
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Post by randomtictacs on Mar 30, 2019 14:51:12 GMT 1
Only been watching /enduring them since Radcliffe era, so starting there.... Radcliffe - Attempting to manage too many levels away from his own experience of football.....and failing.....miserably. Appeared clueless when team was clearly in a downward spiral. Badly needed a Hurst/Doig training combo , brought in a clapped out Ian Woan instead......who even I ended up screaming at for being feeble and inept....a player that used to be great value in any premier league fantasy team!
Simpson - As previous posters Uncanny ability to mistake cardboard cut-outs for players and visa versa.
Hurst - Not the Messiah. Bit of a driller. Works fine for some squads and players (was what Town really needed at the time) Tends to fail when the quality, ego's and wages get higher.....and when overworked players wear out. Eventually drilled a whacking great hole through his own fine-margins. No plan B. Really bad in that respect - which more than cancels out his good (overall) recruitment. (it was excellent until Jan 18) Poor when and where it really, really counted. Plus a very silly (boy) move to risk Ipswich. him years to get Grimsby out of the conference - exactly where was he hoping to take Ipswich in the max 1 year their fans and players would allow an unproven lower league chancer? Daft.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 30, 2019 14:56:50 GMT 1
Only been watching /enduring them since Radcliffe era, so starting there.... Radcliffe - Attempting to manage too many levels away from his own experience of football.....and failing.....miserably. Appeared clueless when team was clearly in a downward spiral. Badly needed a Hurst/Doig training combo , brought in a clapped out Ian Woan instead......who even I ended up screaming at for being feeble and inept....a player that used to be great value in any premier league fantasy team!
Simpson - As previous posters Uncanny ability to mistake cardboard cut-outs for players and visa versa.
Hurst - Not the Messiah. Bit of a driller. Works fine for some squads and players (was what Town really needed at the time) Tends to fail when the quality, ego's and wages get higher.....and when overworked players wear out. Eventually drilled a whacking great hole through his own fine-margins. No plan B. Really bad in that respect - which more than cancels out his good (overall) recruitment. (it was excellent until Jan 18) Poor when and where it really, really counted. Plus a very silly (boy) move to risk Ipswich. him years to get Grimsby out of the conference - exactly where was he hoping to take Ipswich in the max 1 year their fans and players would allow an unproven lower league chancer? Daft.
It Grimsby years to get out of the Conference but I don’t think Hurst was manager there for all that long was he? Didnt he basically use them as a stepping stone for his ambitions and moved to us, and then did the same to us only worse?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 30, 2019 14:59:38 GMT 1
Ratcliffe for taking us down. Arrived when we were terrible and kept us up then improved us year on year before that disastrous last season where if we hadn't beaten Everton we may well have sacked him and stayed up. When you think back though going down was probably one of the best things that happened to the club as after fluking our way back up we have steadily improved as a club since with a few bumps in the road along the way but are in a much better position overall. Simpson, how he could fail to get us promoted with that squad and seeing as quite a few of the squad ended up in the Championship and Premier League is beyond me. Scarily he will walk into a good job when he leaves England under 20's as he has done so well with them. King, maybe being harsh on him given that managers that followed actually had a budget but boy the football was awful and we were struggling week after week. Have to say King basically achieved nothing for us, the football was dire every week. But we were basically bankrupt at that time with no more at all, I doubt even a good manager would have achieved much more with so little money available.
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Post by tvor on Mar 30, 2019 17:55:40 GMT 1
Johnnie Spuhler. 13 games, 7 points. Between Harry Potts and Arthur Rowley. He was before my time, so probably before the time of my other members, but I was told by those that were around at the time that he was comfortably the worst. In my time it has to be Paul Simpson, as others have said for the resources he had and how poorly he used them plus the good players he allowed to leave. After that John Bond and Kevin Ratcliffe. It was pretty dire under Jake King, but there were plenty of extenuating circumstances. I find it incredible that anyone could consider Gary Peters in the worst three.
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Post by razzledazzle on Mar 30, 2019 18:16:19 GMT 1
Sam Rickets, Vauxhall Astra, quite a few changes, no idea what to expect next ;-) Per ardua ad astra?
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Post by philjh on Mar 30, 2019 18:31:07 GMT 1
Johnnie Spuhler. 13 games, 7 points. Between Harry Potts and Arthur Rowley. He was before my time, so probably before the time of my other members, but I was told by those that were around at the time that he was comfortably the worst. In my time it has to be Paul Simpson, as others have said for the resources he had and how poorly he used them plus the good players he allowed to leave. After that John Bond and Kevin Ratcliffe. It was pretty dire under Jake King, but there were plenty of extenuating circumstances. I find it incredible that anyone could consider Gary Peters in the worst three.
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Post by philjh on Mar 30, 2019 18:37:24 GMT 1
Gary Peters was probably better than Simmo, even tho both of them got us to Wembley, But Deffo Ratcliffe, Possibly Jake and Simmo, one manager I did like was Harry Gregg, he was putting together a fairly decent team, then was forced to sell his best assets, so he resigned, Good guy tho.
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Post by tvor on Mar 30, 2019 18:45:35 GMT 1
Regarding Gary Peters, we should remember the utter mess he inherited post Histon FA Cup, when we looked very likely to make an immediate return to the Conference. Had we returned to the Conference that season, without the financial advantages that the FA Cup run in 2002/3 had given us in 2003/4, I dread to think how different our history may have been. I think he did a remarkable job which was very important in the scheme of things.
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Post by edgmond on Mar 30, 2019 21:25:01 GMT 1
Just to add to the evidence against Simpson (not recognising the talent in Marc Pugh), I'm pretty sure he was the manager responsible for allowing Andre Gray to move to Hinckley. Look what a career he has had.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 30, 2019 21:54:24 GMT 1
Regarding Gary Peters, we should remember the utter mess he inherited post Histon FA Cup, when we looked very likely to make an immediate return to the Conference. Had we returned to the Conference that season, without the financial advantages that the FA Cup run in 2002/3 had given us in 2003/4, I dread to think how different our history may have been. I think he did a remarkable job which was very important in the scheme of things. Couldn’t put it much better, at least he got the team organised and giving 100% every game.
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