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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 18:56:45 GMT 1
Doom and gloom has arrived Let’s get hurst back and start playing sexy football again Win 1-0 all season Except when it matters I agree with Nicko. Fans are fickle - SRs approach is getting the desired results but without being very entertaining; very similar to Paul Hurst’s, great while it’s working as fans will accept a less entertaining performance / fewer goals at the expense of victories. Personally - I like SRs approach and think he will have a long and successful career as a football manager. He appears to have a good analytical approach and plays to his sides strengths, building a solid base to avoid losing. But I can understand why everyone is not 100% behind him yet. My point exactly. And personally, I would rather draw 3-3, or win 4-3 (I know, I know) because the points total is the same. Still SR is our manager, I will go along with whatever he thinks is best. As anyone who actually bothers to follow my posts knows, I am not a sack 'em fan. Not even Askey.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 20, 2019 19:22:28 GMT 1
What on earth are you on about? I'm trying to remember when our style of football wan't instantly forgettable The football under Davies was decent enough, great fun that promotion season back in '94...👍
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Nov 20, 2019 20:06:06 GMT 1
Surely you build for success from the back first ?Get the defence and keeper sorted first and then build from there.
IMO SR is doing just fine atm, give him some time to work on our lack of goals and we could well be play off contenders come the end of the season
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 21:02:21 GMT 1
See I really don’t get why you get really angry when anyone expresses a concern or reservation over Ricketts. I think fans have every right to still think last season was awful and that to some extent Ricketts shoulders some degree of responsibility. Every day on this message board you berate anyone who for one moment questions or criticises something Ricketts does. Campbell and Williams are not the sole reason we stayed up. Those points Coyne and co got us were the main reason we scr@ped over the line. Im glad he’s doing well now and we are playing well. I don’t think that makes him immune from criticism though. only recently we still have idiots wanting to splash best part of a million on basically a 'gamble' I mean , wtf down we just blow our whole savings on euromillions tickets ? We are talking about Greg Docherty, I assume? If so, unless I missed it, I didn't see anyone suggest we "splash best part of a million on basically a gamble".... Why call people "idiots" however just because they have the audacity to suggest we spend some money to get the right quality into the team? No one is suggesting that we break the bank but if the right player comes along at the right price then shouldn't we at least be in the queue for his signature?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 22:35:12 GMT 1
Nicko is spot on, people will accept dull football when results are going well but will quickly turn when results change, the Peters era is a prime example of that.
I've repeatedly said that it is ridiculous to talk about sacking Ricketts when we are comfortable in the league, have a solid defence and the squad looks a lot better than 12 months ago. But despite that, there is a bit of a strange atmosphere around the club, not doom & gloom but equally not a feel good one. Just a bit 'meh' and for me that is because the football on display is dull and a matchday certainly doesnt excite me. And for that reason I expect some fans have found it difficult to warm to him.
The thing I completely disagre with are those that refuse to give Ricketts any credit, stuff like he got lucky last season, only stayed up because of Campbell or the even more cringeworthy we stayed up because of Coyne.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Nov 20, 2019 22:50:04 GMT 1
ll or the even more cringeworthy we stayed up because of Coyne. Even though it’s true
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Nov 20, 2019 22:55:11 GMT 1
I think we should provide a platform for the opening poster to respond, outlining their current feelings Over to you Mr Jamo........... This is an interesting post. You were given this very same platform you set so much stock by towards the foot of this page: blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/99614/norburn-spice-boyz?page=2This being an open invitation to let you clarify a bizarre post you made; an invitation that is yet to be accepted.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Nov 20, 2019 23:42:44 GMT 1
What does SR have to do to get some credit on here? He came in to a club with a squad of desperados who had barely played together and looked like it, couldn't do anything until January and then this is limited by budgets. He kept us in league 1 so forget about who was in charge for individual wins, or you can include Askey in that argument, he was the manager for the most of the season and should take the credit. I don't see why we need to be scoring in buckets as it's a result business, we would see the same crap on here if we were losing 4 3 every week, and the issue of a negative vibe around the club is generated by the 0.1% of the supporter base who use this message board, in my opinion.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2019 1:28:33 GMT 1
only recently we still have idiots wanting to splash best part of a million on basically a 'gamble' I mean , wtf down we just blow our whole savings on euromillions tickets ? We are talking about Greg Docherty, I assume? If so, unless I missed it, I didn't see anyone suggest we "splash best part of a million on basically a gamble".... Why call people "idiots" however just because they have the audacity to suggest we spend some money to get the right quality into the team? No one is suggesting that we break the bank but if the right player comes along at the right price then shouldn't we at least be in the queue for his signature? Someone wanted us to spend £600k on him He’s played 60 domestic mins this season In a cup game against nobody What word should I have used instead of idiot ?
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Post by Mortgagehound on Nov 21, 2019 8:23:27 GMT 1
We are talking about Greg Docherty, I assume? If so, unless I missed it, I didn't see anyone suggest we "splash best part of a million on basically a gamble".... Why call people "idiots" however just because they have the audacity to suggest we spend some money to get the right quality into the team? No one is suggesting that we break the bank but if the right player comes along at the right price then shouldn't we at least be in the queue for his signature? Someone wanted us to spend £600k on him He’s played 60 domestic mins this season In a cup game against nobody What word should I have used instead of idiot ? The Doc would be a signing that would improve the team significantly. If we could afford him I’d jump at the chance of signing him It’s a no brainer.........
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2019 10:15:17 GMT 1
See what I mean 😜
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 21, 2019 10:33:43 GMT 1
We are talking about Greg Docherty, I assume? If so, unless I missed it, I didn't see anyone suggest we "splash best part of a million on basically a gamble".... Why call people "idiots" however just because they have the audacity to suggest we spend some money to get the right quality into the team? No one is suggesting that we break the bank but if the right player comes along at the right price then shouldn't we at least be in the queue for his signature? Someone wanted us to spend £600k on him He’s played 60 domestic mins this season In a cup game against nobody What word should I have used instead of idiot ? Look at his season in League One, double figure goals and assists, player of the season. He's only 22, huge potential. £600k isn't a massive fee at our level, the question is whether we/the owner wants to spend it or not.
As a side note I thought we weren't allowed to name call on the board? You spat your dummy out last time i did it ...
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 21, 2019 11:31:41 GMT 1
Nicko is spot on, people will accept dull football when results are going well but will quickly turn when results change, the Peters era is a prime example of that. I've repeatedly said that it is ridiculous to talk about sacking Ricketts when we are comfortable in the league, have a solid defence and the squad looks a lot better than 12 months ago. But despite that, there is a bit of a strange atmosphere around the club, not doom & gloom but equally not a feel good one. Just a bit 'meh' and for me that is because the football on display is dull and a matchday certainly doesnt excite me. And for that reason I expect some fans have found it difficult to warm to him. The thing I completely disagre with are those that refuse to give Ricketts any credit, stuff like he got lucky last season, only stayed up because of Campbell or the even more cringeworthy we stayed up because of Coyne. i was not thrilled when he was appointed but ricketts does desrve a lot of credit for what he has done , he has strengthned the squad and we cant forget for a big part of the early stages we did not have a fully fit squad. the team are well drilled they know the system. we are creating more chances since Edwards / laurent and whalley have been supporting the lone foward. the be safe at all costs is understandable whewn you wont to slow the game down or take the sting the out of the oponents and give the defence a rest. however against clearly limited teams who pose very little threst , the pass across / pass back and pass back to the kepper can be frustrating to watch we have progressed and improved and if we can finish in a midtable position this season, with the new coach we may see the tactics evolve for next season. whilst i dont advocate boom and bust spending we do have reservers of funding and if the right player comes along who can give us some thing extra then i feel we should at least throw our hat in the ring and try and get him( realisticly with the clubs who have a bigger budget we probably wont get him but at least we should try and pherhaps behind the scenes we have done) Lawrence Shankland is a player i wish we had signed 17 goals for Dunndee this season prior to that 50 goals in two seasons for Ayr .
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 21, 2019 11:42:16 GMT 1
Nicko is spot on, people will accept dull football when results are going well but will quickly turn when results change, the Peters era is a prime example of that. I've repeatedly said that it is ridiculous to talk about sacking Ricketts when we are comfortable in the league, have a solid defence and the squad looks a lot better than 12 months ago. But despite that, there is a bit of a strange atmosphere around the club, not doom & gloom but equally not a feel good one. Just a bit 'meh' and for me that is because the football on display is dull and a matchday certainly doesnt excite me. And for that reason I expect some fans have found it difficult to warm to him. The thing I completely disagre with are those that refuse to give Ricketts any credit, stuff like he got lucky last season, only stayed up because of Campbell or the even more cringeworthy we stayed up because of Coyne. i was not thrilled when he was appointed but ricketts does desrve a lot of credit for what he has done , he has strengthned the squad and we cant forget for a big part of the early stages we did not have a fully fit squad. the team are well drilled they know the system. we are creating more chances since Edwards / laurent and whalley have been supporting the lone foward. the be safe at all costs is understandable whewn you wont to slow the game down or take the sting the out of the oponents and give the defence a rest. however against clearly limited teams who pose very little threst , the pass across / pass back and pass back to the kepper can be frustrating to watch we have progressed and improved and if we can finish in a midtable position this season, with the new coach we may see the tactics evolve for next season. whilst i dont advocate boom and bust spending we do have reservers of funding and if the right player comes along who can give us some thing extra then i feel we should at least throw our hat in the ring and try and get him( realisticly with the clubs who have a bigger budget we probably wont get him but at least we should try and pherhaps behind the scenes we have done) Lawrence Shankland is a player i wish we had signed 17 goals for Dunndee this season prior to that 50 goals in two seasons for Ayr . By all accounts was available at sub £250k and would've jumped at the chance to move down here and up his wages considerably i'd imagine. He's got 17 in 13 for Dundee and also 1 in 2 for Scotland. Touted for a £3-4m+ move in January ...
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2019 11:55:37 GMT 1
i was not thrilled when he was appointed but ricketts does desrve a lot of credit for what he has done , he has strengthned the squad and we cant forget for a big part of the early stages we did not have a fully fit squad. the team are well drilled they know the system. we are creating more chances since Edwards / laurent and whalley have been supporting the lone foward. the be safe at all costs is understandable whewn you wont to slow the game down or take the sting the out of the oponents and give the defence a rest. however against clearly limited teams who pose very little threst , the pass across / pass back and pass back to the kepper can be frustrating to watch we have progressed and improved and if we can finish in a midtable position this season, with the new coach we may see the tactics evolve for next season. whilst i dont advocate boom and bust spending we do have reservers of funding and if the right player comes along who can give us some thing extra then i feel we should at least throw our hat in the ring and try and get him( realisticly with the clubs who have a bigger budget we probably wont get him but at least we should try and pherhaps behind the scenes we have done) Lawrence Shankland is a player i wish we had signed 17 goals for Dunndee this season prior to that 50 goals in two seasons for Ayr . By all accounts was available at sub £250k and would've jumped at the chance to move down here and up his wages considerably i'd imagine. He's got 17 in 13 for Dundee and also 1 in 2 for Scotland. Touted for a £3-4m+ move in January ... By all accounts ? Name one or Two please
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2019 11:56:47 GMT 1
Someone wanted us to spend £600k on him He’s played 60 domestic mins this season In a cup game against nobody What word should I have used instead of idiot ? Look at his season in League One, double figure goals and assists, player of the season. He's only 22, huge potential. £600k isn't a massive fee at our level, the question is whether we/the owner wants to spend it or not.
As a side note I thought we weren't allowed to name call on the board? You spat your dummy out last time i did it ...
I didn’t name anyone You just went out of your way to be offended
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 21, 2019 12:21:16 GMT 1
By all accounts was available at sub £250k and would've jumped at the chance to move down here and up his wages considerably i'd imagine. He's got 17 in 13 for Dundee and also 1 in 2 for Scotland. Touted for a £3-4m+ move in January ... By all accounts ? Name one or Two please
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2019 12:39:22 GMT 1
By all accounts ? Name one or Two please
Tell us something we don’t know That’s not sub £250k That says at least £250k with add ons We all know that And no mention of him wanting to settle here
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 21, 2019 12:53:02 GMT 1
The trouble with the "build from the back" ethos is that the way football works these days is very much a one or two year at the most cycle.
We have no guarantees that one or all of Beckles, Pierre, Ebanks-Landell, Williams or Love won't move on next season. We already know O'Leary and Giles will. Golbdourne has impressed in recent weeks but is older and could see a rapid drop in form. Even though neither has set the world on fire this season, a decent spell from Feji or Cummings post Christmas could see them departing too.
You pretty much have to assume you will only get one year with a given team these days so if we don't achieve anything this time around we may very well be back to square one in the summer.
I said before the season began that this was a poor division this season; I was roundly rebuffed but I think that prediction has been borne out by the league table and by the quality on display. Big shots Sunderland and Pompey have failed to deliver. Ipswich aside, none of the front runners looks to have an unstoppable quality. The foot of the table must be one of the weakest ever seen with several teams looking dead in the water already. We have thoroughly s**te sides like Gillingham (and arguably us if you believe the Peterborough press) safe in mid table who would have been staring relegation in the face in other years.
This should be an opportunity for town. We cannot assume that we will be able to incrementally improve for next season as there are internal (short term contracts, offers from bigger clubs, retirements and injuries) and external (the other teams in the division) factors which can change rapidly from year to year.
People are right to point out that Sam's cautious approach has got us to within 3 points of the playoffs with a bit more than a month to go until the transfer window reopens. Surely it's not too outlandish to suggest it's worth investing a bit further to give us more firepower and a genuine shot at a playoff spot and promotion?
If not, then what's the point of any of this if we subordinate everything to preserving the club's cash reserves? There is such a thing as acceptable risk; it is possible that the club can invest further without bankrupting ourselves, despite what some of our more paranoid and cautious fans think.
What may actually end up bankrupting us in the long run is if we settle for mediocrity for too long and fail to show ambition. The fans won't stick around forever. What people tend to forget is that the conference season was the nadir of a long term downwards trajectory. Between relegation in 89 and going back up in 04, aside from 93/94, the best we managed was an 11th place finish in the 3rd tier and 9th in league 2.
Otherwise we finished comfortably in the bottom half of every league we were in and it showed in the level of enthusiasm for the club for the fans. Sub 3k attendances were not uncommon in the late 90s/early 00s at GM. By contrast we're broadly on an upwards trajectory since the Conference season which served as something of a wake up call and rallying point for the fans. Since that point we've enjoyed a steady improvement in league two under Gary Peters which changed the mentality of the club to a winning, more positive outlook, yoyo promotions under Turner and Mellon followed before a genuine shot at the Championship in 2018.
We've played in 4 Wembley finals since 04 vs 1 in the club's entire history begore that. We've also had memorable cup days at Stoke, the Emirates and home vs Chelsea and Man Utd. I hesitate to say "golden age" but these certainly haven't been lean years for town fans either and the switch from a 2 - 3k base support to 5k plus is indicative of that.
It would be criminal to think this is the "new normal" and that fans will keep handing over the cash regardless when history tells us that simply isn't true. Off field improvements like the safe standing and Smithy's go a long way to improving fan engagement and retaining support but you can't escape the fact that it's the onfield product that matters most given that the "casual fan" (ie that wider group of support that comes along to maybe 5 or 10 games a season) for whom football is very much a discretionary expenditure item are so important to our long term future.
The overall lacklustre response to the team regardless of our reasonable (note: reasonable, decent, not spectacular) form this season, demonstrated by a notable drop to a sub 4k attendance in the first round of the FA Cup the other week, should be a cause for concern at Wycherley Towers. Tantrumming on here about "unrealistic expectations" or whatever won't change the simple fact that a lot if people will simply keep that £20 In their wallet or spend it elsewhere and not give it a second thought if going to the Meadow stops being worth their while.
Objectively speaking, "mid table, hard to beat, lots of clean sheets" is not a great sell to those who could just as easily stay in in the warm and watch a stream of a Premier League game on Kodi or take a 35 minute train to Wolverhampton for some Premier League football and have no qualms about doing it. That will be even more the case if we go on a poor run, results wise.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 13:19:19 GMT 1
ll or the even more cringeworthy we stayed up because of Coyne. Even though it’s true
He got us 6 points out of our 52.
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 21, 2019 13:23:19 GMT 1
Tell us something we don’t know That’s not sub £250k That says at least £250k with add ons We all know that And no mention of him wanting to settle here "Holding out from £250k" generally means thats what they want, although i'd imagine £225k with add ons might have secured it. Either way, he's an international now with 17 in 13 and being touted at £3m, potentially one missed though he might not have setlled here. Think the member posting about Shankland was merely suggesting they wished we were a little more ambitious in the transfer market sometimes.
I think a decent CAM proven in League One (Such as Docherty, who played in a poorer side than this!) would be worth spending decent money on. You could ofset the wages against clearing some dead wood from the side, there's a couple who could go.
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Post by venceremos on Nov 21, 2019 13:23:24 GMT 1
He got us 6 points out of our 52.
Yes, but they were the ones with magical properties that made them more valuable than any others. You can only get them when the planets are aligned and the true believers like the manager.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 13:27:25 GMT 1
We are talking about Greg Docherty, I assume? If so, unless I missed it, I didn't see anyone suggest we "splash best part of a million on basically a gamble".... Why call people "idiots" however just because they have the audacity to suggest we spend some money to get the right quality into the team? No one is suggesting that we break the bank but if the right player comes along at the right price then shouldn't we at least be in the queue for his signature? Someone wanted us to spend £600k on him He’s played 60 domestic mins this season In a cup game against nobody What word should I have used instead of idiot ? You can keep repeating how many games he has played this season but it is irrelevant. What is relevant to us is we had a season (only last year) of him in a struggling side and he scored lots of goals and won lots of awards.
I suspect you are in the minority of fans who would say no if we were given the opportunity to sign him for £600k
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 21, 2019 13:36:21 GMT 1
Someone wanted us to spend £600k on him He’s played 60 domestic mins this season In a cup game against nobody What word should I have used instead of idiot ? You can keep repeating how many games he has played this season but it is irrelevant. What is relevant to us is we had a season (only last year) of him in a struggling side and he scored lots of goals and won lots of awards.
I suspect you are in the minority of fans who would say no if we were given the opportunity to sign him for £600k
I'd love to sign him, but i think he'd be more of a Peterborough, Sunderland, maybe even Wigan type singing now unfortunately.
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Post by venceremos on Nov 21, 2019 13:45:46 GMT 1
The trouble with the "build from the back" ethos is that the way football works these days is very much a one or two year at the most cycle.
We have no guarantees that one or all of Beckles, Pierre, Ebanks-Landell, Williams or Love won't move on next season. We already know O'Leary and Giles will. Golbdourne has impressed in recent weeks but is older and could see a rapid drop in form. Even though neither has set the world on fire this season, a decent spell from Feji or Cummings post Christmas could see them departing too. You pretty much have to assume you will only get one year with a given team these days so if we don't achieve anything this time around we may very well be back to square one in the summer. I said before the season began that this was a poor division this season; I was roundly rebuffed but I think that prediction has been borne out by the league table and by the quality on display. Big shots Sunderland and Pompey have failed to deliver. Ipswich aside, none of the front runners looks to have an unstoppable quality. The foot of the table must be one of the weakest ever seen with several teams looking dead in the water already. We have thoroughly s**te sides like Gillingham (and arguably us if you believe the Peterborough press) safe in mid table who would have been staring relegation in the face in other years.
This should be an opportunity for town. We cannot assume that we will be able to incrementally improve for next season as there are internal (short term contracts, offers from bigger clubs, retirements and injuries) and external (the other teams in the division) factors which can change rapidly from year to year. People are right to point out that Sam's cautious approach has got us to within 3 points of the playoffs with a bit more than a month to go until the transfer window reopens. Surely it's not too outlandish to suggest it's worth investing a bit further to give us more firepower and a genuine shot at a playoff spot and promotion? If not, then what's the point of any of this if we subordinate everything to preserving the club's cash reserves? There is such a thing as acceptable risk; it is possible that the club can invest further without bankrupting ourselves, despite what some of our more paranoid and cautious fans think. What may actually end up bankrupting us in the long run is if we settle for mediocrity for too long and fail to show ambition. The fans won't stick around forever. What people tend to forget is that the conference season was the nadir of a long term downwards trajectory. Between relegation in 89 and going back up in 04, aside from 93/94, the best we managed was an 11th place finish in the 3rd tier and 9th in league 2. Otherwise we finished comfortably in the bottom half of every league we were in and it showed in the level of enthusiasm for the club for the fans. Sub 3k attendances were not uncommon in the late 90s/early 00s at GM. By contrast we're broadly on an upwards trajectory since the Conference season which served as something of a wake up call and rallying point for the fans. Since that point we've enjoyed a steady improvement in league two under Gary Peters which changed the mentality of the club to a winning, more positive outlook, yoyo promotions under Turner and Mellon followed before a genuine shot at the Championship in 2018. We've played in 4 Wembley finals since 04 vs 1 in the club's entire history begore that. We've also had memorable cup days at Stoke, the Emirates and home vs Chelsea and Man Utd. I hesitate to say "golden age" but these certainly haven't been lean years for town fans either and the switch from a 2 - 3k base support to 5k plus is indicative of that. It would be criminal to think this is the "new normal" and that fans will keep handing over the cash regardless when history tells us that simply isn't true. Off field improvements like the safe standing and Smithy's go a long way to improving fan engagement and retaining support but you can't escape the fact that it's the onfield product that matters most given that the "casual fan" (ie that wider group of support that comes along to maybe 5 or 10 games a season) for whom football is very much a discretionary expenditure item are so important to our long term future. The overall lacklustre response to the team regardless of our reasonable (note: reasonable, decent, not spectacular) form this season, demonstrated by a notable drop to a sub 4k attendance in the first round of the FA Cup the other week, should be a cause for concern at Wycherley Towers. Tantrumming on here about "unrealistic expectations" or whatever won't change the simple fact that a lot if people will simply keep that £20 In their wallet or spend it elsewhere and not give it a second thought if going to the Meadow stops being worth their while. Objectively speaking, "mid table, hard to beat, lots of clean sheets" is not a great sell to those who could just as easily stay in in the warm and watch a stream of a Premier League game on Kodi or take a 35 minute train to Wolverhampton for some Premier League football and have no qualms about doing it. That will be even more the case if we go on a poor run, results wise. There's so much in your post with which I'd take issue but I don't have much time so I've just highlighted some. 1. Presumably an "all out attack" ethos would be just as problematic as building from the back if you don't think there's ever going to be enough time to implement it? What would you suggest instead of trying to develop a particular playing style? 2. How does the league table bear out your prediction of the division being of low quality? What would a high quality league table look like? Is a dominant team or two indicative of a strong league or is a strong league one where there isn't much difference between several teams? How often have you seen Gillingham play - more than once? We all make snap judgments based on seeing a team play Salop but it's a hell of a stretch to then claim their position in the league demonstrates its weakness. Besides which, I don't think 8 points clear of the relegation zone with 27 games to play is anything like "safe". 3. The attendance against Bradford was par for the course for early round FA Cup ties in recent seasons - you can check the stats if you don't believe me. I'd say it was pretty decent considering the atrocious weather (and the fact I couldn't attend!). If Salop's FA Cup crowds demonstrate the lacklustre response then every lower league club - in fact every EFL & Premier League club - must be experiencing the same crisis ...
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2019 14:31:07 GMT 1
Someone wanted us to spend £600k on him He’s played 60 domestic mins this season In a cup game against nobody What word should I have used instead of idiot ? You can keep repeating how many games he has played this season but it is irrelevant. What is relevant to us is we had a season (only last year) of him in a struggling side and he scored lots of goals and won lots of awards.
I suspect you are in the minority of fans who would say no if we were given the opportunity to sign him for £600k
Minority, me ? Nothing new there Bit like when someone mocked me suggesting I was the only one in 5995 who thought Arnold was crap
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 21, 2019 14:38:48 GMT 1
1. I should have said "we can't assume we will be able to make incremental improvements yesr in year as we may lose 9 or 10 first team players in the close season". This is self evidently true to anyone with even a passing interest in lower league football. At least a bit more endeavour up front might help keep the fans on side and improve our chances.
2. The league table shows that suppised "Big beasts" like Portsmouth and Sunderland are failing to show their promise and that the upper reaches of the table are dominated by clubs of a similar stature to Town; Rotherham, Wycombe, Blackpool. Even "bigger" clubs like Coventry are no longer the force they once were. We've also played and been competitive with nearly all of these sides.
The overall quality of football has been much lower than in previous years. We've probably only seen one, maybe two (If you count misfiring Sunderland, Fleetwood being the other) genuinely impressive away teams at MWM this season with us now most of the way through the first round of home fixtures. There have bern some absolute stinkers at home this year, and the league table also shows at least a couple of clubs in freefall.
If this isn't the case, why is there "the funny atmosphere" about the place if people aren't getting increasingly bored with the doggrel being served up at home?
3. This is true, I apologise, having looked at other similar attendances (although I also note we did draw a higher rate for Salford City last season despite the state of the club and silly kick off time).
Not sure why you're so desperate to die in a ditch over this to be honest. There's clearly some concerns amongst the fan base and it can't all be written off as "idiots".
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 21, 2019 14:48:06 GMT 1
I honestly cannot get my head round this anti-Ricketts thing.
- Top half (Improvement) - 8/16 clean sheets (Improvement on 30% last season) - First to score in 50% of games (Improvement on 30% last season) - No talk of relegation, 11 points clear (Huge Improvement)
Granted i'd like us to score a few more goals, but he's doing a decent job and we're looking like we're improving. He brought in some decent additions in the summer as well.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Nov 21, 2019 15:45:05 GMT 1
You can keep repeating how many games he has played this season but it is irrelevant. What is relevant to us is we had a season (only last year) of him in a struggling side and he scored lots of goals and won lots of awards.
I suspect you are in the minority of fans who would say no if we were given the opportunity to sign him for £600k
Minority, me ? Nothing new there Bit like when someone mocked me suggesting I was the only one in 5995 who thought Arnold was cr@p Proof that sometimes you can b be wrong Mr Pilch
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Post by venceremos on Nov 21, 2019 16:55:00 GMT 1
1. I should have said "we can't assume we will be able to make incremental improvements yesr in year as we may lose 9 or 10 first team players in the close season". This is self evidently true to anyone with even a passing interest in lower league football. At least a bit more endeavour up front might help keep the fans on side and improve our chances. 2. The league table shows that suppised "Big beasts" like Portsmouth and Sunderland are failing to show their promise and that the upper reaches of the table are dominated by clubs of a similar stature to Town; Rotherham, Wycombe, Blackpool. Even "bigger" clubs like Coventry are no longer the force they once were. We've also played and been competitive with nearly all of these sides. The overall quality of football has been much lower than in previous years. We've probably only seen one, maybe two (If you count misfiring Sunderland, Fleetwood being the other) genuinely impressive away teams at MWM this season with us now most of the way through the first round of home fixtures. There have bern some absolute stinkers at home this year, and the league table also shows at least a couple of clubs in freefall. If this isn't the case, why is there "the funny atmosphere" about the place if people aren't getting increasingly bored with the doggrel being served up at home? 3. This is true, I apologise, having looked at other similar attendances (although I also note we did draw a higher rate for Salford City last season despite the state of the club and silly kick off time). Not sure why you're so desperate to die in a ditch over this to be honest. There's clearly some concerns amongst the fan base and it can't all be written off as "idiots". I accept that the squad will always change each summer but that doesn't mean a manager shouldn't recruit players to suit a preferred style or try to build a culture of playing a certain way - some players stay for more than a season. As I asked before, what's the alternative? I don't accept the notion that the league is somehow much worse this season and you've not really evidenced that it is though, being fair, I don't know how that can be done by fans of a single club anyway. For one thing, our style of play doesn't make it easy for a team to impress against us. For another, there are other aspects to being a strong team than being good on the ball. I wasn't impressed by Bolton or Rotherham in recent seasons but they were promoted - was the league weak then? The table shows one team in freefall - Southend - and another struggling to overcome a points deduction - Bolton (though they've won their last three, no doubt because the league is so poor …….). Nothing exceptional there but maybe the one team in freefall has failed to keep up with the higher standards of the rest - why not? That's as valid a notion as claiming their struggles show the whole division to be weak. As for "the funny atmosphere", it's not really much different to the atmosphere for most of our L1 seasons. When we win, there are smiles all around as you leave the ground. When we don't, there are varying degrees of frustration and sometimes anger. It was the same under Turner, Jackson, Mellon, Coyne (first time) & Askey. As for that Salford game - there was a lot more novelty playing the Class of 92's team for the first time than playing Bradford once again, so that's easily explained. Anyway, I don't know why you regard someone replying to your lengthy screed as being desperate to die in a ditch. And nor did I call anyone an idiot. Silly response, that. If you don't want to debate it's best not to reply or don't bother posting in the first place, rather than insult someone for disagreeing with you.
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