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Post by thesensationaljt on Nov 12, 2020 11:02:55 GMT 1
Well I'm a leaver and not ashamed of it. We have 52 trade deals either signed or in progress. The trading deficit with the EU is usually between £80 million and £100 million. Who will miss who the most I wonder? Personally I would on December 31st with no deal. That's a saving of £39 million that the spineless May offered before talks even started. We should be growing more of our own food in this country anyway. A lot of healthy salad can be produced all year round in polytunnels anyway. Not only is it good for children and adults alike, the more we grow here is better for the environment. I 100% agree with Greenpeace on fishing. Massive factory ships with nets 1 mile wide are scooping up and killing everything in their path as well as damaging the seabed. This must stop immediately and a sustainable fishing policy put in place in which this county is in charge of. twitter.com/labourleave?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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Post by welshshrew on Nov 12, 2020 11:18:25 GMT 1
We actually are running very close to the wire just to avoid WTO terms on a number of countries.
And as I hope you know, these are basically just continuations of the deals that were already in place.
Once the EU, Australian, South American, Canadian, Vietnamese, New Zealand and American deals are in place, then that may be the time for leavers to try and make an economic argument for the potential success of Brexit. Anyone doing it beforehand is not to be trusted.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 12, 2020 15:03:06 GMT 1
We actually are running very close to the wire just to avoid WTO terms on a number of countries. And as I hope you know, these are basically just continuations of the deals that were already in place. Once the EU, Australian, South American, Canadian, Vietnamese, New Zealand and American deals are in place, then that may be the time for leavers to try and make an economic argument for the potential success of Brexit. Anyone doing it beforehand is not to be trusted. who knows what will or wont hapen with the EU, i suspect they are thriled biden won and probably think they are now in a stronger position. with brexit as with covid i think it will take till 2023 at the erliest to really have an idea of what things are like and full impact of both on the uk. dont worry we have signd a fishing agrement with greenland !
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Post by thesensationaljt on Nov 12, 2020 15:07:35 GMT 1
Good to see us signing a trade deal with Kenya. Lots of African counties are interested which will benefit both counties. We went to Morocco a while back and they were keen to show us their polytunnels for producing their winter veg and said how they were looking to doing more trade with the UK. (They must have thought I was a government minister!).
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Post by thesensationaljt on Nov 12, 2020 15:26:33 GMT 1
We actually are running very close to the wire just to avoid WTO terms on a number of countries. And as I hope you know, these are basically just continuations of the deals that were already in place. Once the EU, Australian, South American, Canadian, Vietnamese, New Zealand and American deals are in place, then that may be the time for leavers to try and make an economic argument for the potential success of Brexit. Anyone doing it beforehand is not to be trusted. who knows what will or wont hapen with the EU, i suspect they are thriled biden won and probably think they are now in a stronger position. with brexit as with covid i think it will take till 2023 at the erliest to really have an idea of what things are like and full impact of both on the uk. dont worry we have signd a fishing agrement with greenland ! Personally, I'm relaxed about an American trade deal. I'm sure some on here are relieved they won't now be force-fed chlorinated chicken. No one has ever died of it, but I wouldn't buy it because of the inhumane way the chickens are reared. It does make me smile about posters going on about chlorinated chicken while munching away contentedly on their chlorinated lettuce from Spain. The fishing deals reached between Norway, Greenland and The Faroe Islands with the UK which will come into force in January, are very significant. It allowed for regulated fishing to preserve stocks at an acceptable level. Not the free for all we have in British waters at the moment. It should serve as a warning to the desperate EU, but they're so far up their own arse I very much doubt it will. We just need a leader with some backbone, but I fear that's not Johnson www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-kenya-secure-a-trade-agreement
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Post by Worthingshrew on Nov 12, 2020 15:33:52 GMT 1
Don’t worry, Danny Boy, the town’s wonderful MP will come up with a mega trade deal with Mongolia. Yak milk will be available in all supermarkets even if we can’t get semi-skimmed.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Nov 12, 2020 15:47:35 GMT 1
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Post by darkshrew on Nov 12, 2020 21:26:23 GMT 1
Don’t worry, Danny Boy, the town’s wonderful MP will come up with a mega trade deal with Mongolia. Yak milk will be available in all supermarkets even if we can’t get semi-skimmed. Mining is the big thing there. Even more corrupt an industry than oil extraction. Financial corruption that is.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 13, 2020 11:04:15 GMT 1
Looking a right mess at the moment. Hauliers are going to have a hell of a job being ready in time - they don't even know what they have to be ready for yet.
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Post by servernaside on Nov 13, 2020 11:17:52 GMT 1
Don’t worry, Danny Boy, the town’s wonderful MP will come up with a mega trade deal with Mongolia. Yak milk will be available in all supermarkets even if we can’t get semi-skimmed. Mining is the big thing there. Even more corrupt an industry than oil extraction. Financial corruption that is. What basis do you have for throwing around accusations of financial corruption in the oil industry?
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Post by armchairfan on Nov 13, 2020 16:21:40 GMT 1
Mining is the big thing there. Even more corrupt an industry than oil extraction. Financial corruption that is. What basis do you have for throwing around accusations of financial corruption in the oil industry? Never, never ask a question to which you don't already know the answer, or for which you don't have a credible rebuttal - it could get messy 😂...mind you, getting Messi is another thing altogether! Dangerous animals are usually caged, with a strict instruction that they should not be fed🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by neilsalop on Nov 13, 2020 17:29:10 GMT 1
Mining is the big thing there. Even more corrupt an industry than oil extraction. Financial corruption that is. What basis do you have for throwing around accusations of financial corruption in the oil industry? www.ft.com/content/c84ead24-ce7e-11e1-bc0c-00144feabdc0 No.4 on page one of Google search with just the key words of 'financial corruption oil'. I didn't even have to work for it and that's just in the UK. If you want me dig into corruption in the oil business in places like Nigeria, Russia, the Middle East, Venezuela or the US you'll have give me five minutes. Alternatively you could just open your bloody eyes.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 17, 2020 20:02:41 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/17/british-government-food-shortage-uk-fresh-europe-ports-storage-spaceThe British government's first disaster of 2021? A food shortage. A very worrying article. Get your fresh fruit and veg in early, and put them in a very large freezer before the rest of the population get wind of this and strip the shelves! As a nation we have become appallingly complacent about food security. I'd imagine that ensuring a supply of food for the population ought to be one of the most fundamental responsibilities of Government but they don't seem to care, if indeed they think about it. We produce about 60% of what we eat, 40% is imported. The EU with us in it produces about 99% of its needs. So, at a time of climate change when many countries will face challenges in food production we are voluntarily leaving a market that supplies 99% of needs to trade on the world market, whilst producing only 60% of our needs.
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Post by cabanas2017 on Nov 17, 2020 20:38:54 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on Nov 17, 2020 20:40:14 GMT 1
There was an article on BBC website a few days back about problems at the port of Felixstowe, it also mentioned Chris Grayling has his mits in the organisation responsible for Felixstowe. Need I say more?
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Post by darkshrew on Dec 6, 2020 13:55:07 GMT 1
I wonder when the blame game will start.
Looking like Wednesday is the day we’ll know if it’s really going to be the no deal that was described 2 years ago by Boris as madness.
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Post by shrewder on Dec 6, 2020 14:01:12 GMT 1
Four and half years and still no deal. A proper Fred Carnoes Circus.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Dec 6, 2020 14:07:45 GMT 1
considering the mess the goverment have made with evrything related to covid, especially the logistics ,comunication and planning. how can anyone feel confident they will do any better if we have a no deal brexit.
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Post by davycrockett on Dec 6, 2020 14:10:46 GMT 1
I wonder when the blame game will start. Looking like Wednesday is the day we’ll know if it’s really going to be the no deal that was described 2 years ago by Boris as madness. Can’t help thinking any sensible leader would ask for an extension due to the significant disruption a world pandemic has caused. Also the significant disruption to cross channel transport also caused by travel restrictions. Seems Boris prefers to play a game of nerves right to the end We’ve left the EU which is what we voted for (some) so why not just extend the transition period to a time where we’re not all on cycles of lock down.... (hopefully not too long) Fighting the pandemic is as difficult a time any political party has had to manage for 75 years which must have affected the time and energy both sides could spend on this. Do we really want no deal and travel chaos whilst still in the grip of COVID?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 14:22:38 GMT 1
I wonder when the blame game will start. It's already started. They are blaming 'remainers' despite 'hardcore Brexiters' voting against May's deal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 14:30:06 GMT 1
You lot clearly arnt thinking of the fish! Shame on you!
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Post by mattmw on Dec 6, 2020 15:06:53 GMT 1
Certainly going to be an interesting week ahead
Even with a deal the implications of Brexit and Covid look like having a major impact on care for the elderly with homes having trouble recruiting staff to replace EU workers, and declining incomes as fewer people going into homes due to Covid. Care business likely to be the first where big changes are seen after 1st January
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Post by neilsalop on Dec 6, 2020 16:47:54 GMT 1
We had an email through to work last week from the company that books through our containers from China. There are several issues that they are encountering.
There are already in port delays that we have in Southampton and Felixtowe due to staff shortages due to Covid, space constraints, lack of empty containers to return to China and the speed at which the container ships can offload and get back out to sea. These problems are only going to be exacerbated in the next few weeks when many EU drivers will be heading home for Christmas and by the time they are returning the extra red tape caused by Brexit will make the turnarounds even slower. The company that arranges our containers is actually looking into the option of getting our containers offloaded in France and then bringing them over by ferry. That is going to cause massive extra costs, but having a container stuck in port for days on end isn't cheap either and somewhere down the line that added cost has to be taken into consideration.
We are quite a small company and have on average around 1 large (40') and 1 small (20') container per month. Multiply our problem by 3.85 million 20' container equivalents just through Felixtowe every year and you begin to see the scale of the problems we are looking at and that's before we even consider Southampton, London, Immingham and Liverpool container ports.
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 7, 2020 11:16:42 GMT 1
Whatever. last minute cobbled together deal. or no deal, we are about to enter the phase when Boris and Co put loads of money out to contracts to mates who are logistics "experts" to try to deal with the mess.
That's where the money the NHS were supposed to have got will be going.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Dec 7, 2020 11:24:59 GMT 1
Watever. last minute cobbled together deal. or no deal, we are about to enter the phase when Boris and Co put loads of money out to contracts to mates who are logistics "experts" to try to deal with the mess. That's where the money the NHS were supposed to have got will be going. that does not inspire me with much confidence
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Dec 7, 2020 12:26:11 GMT 1
My younger daughter may be the first victim of Brexit. She was on a shortlist for a job in Switzerland and was due to be interviewed.
She’s had a message telling her she’s been removed from the shortlist because the cost to her prospective employer of taking on a non EU National is £8,000.
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Post by darkshrew on Dec 7, 2020 13:29:37 GMT 1
My younger daughter may be the first victim of Brexit. She was on a shortlist for a job in Switzerland and was due to be interviewed. She’s had a message telling her she’s been removed from the shortlist because the cost to her prospective employer of taking on a non EU National is £8,000. Sadly just one of many. A lot of jobs have already been moved over to the EU in the past 3 years. Now the transition period is finishing we will see the overseas opportunities dry up for our kids and start to see the orders drop off from overseas and the cost of shipping stuff to the UK rise. Thanks Brexit Boys
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Dec 7, 2020 13:33:02 GMT 1
Still assuming it's all just posturing from both sides and a messy deal will be agreed in the last minute, don't think either side is stupid enough to end on a no deal.
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 7, 2020 14:17:24 GMT 1
If you want to know some of the complications us ordinary people will encounter after January 1st, they are outlined on World at One today (7/12/20). You can find this on BBC Sounds around 10 minutes into the programme.
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Post by venceremos on Dec 7, 2020 14:48:59 GMT 1
No deal will only satisfy the brextremists and will be ruinous for our economy, to add to the damage already being done, the new restrictions, the added bureaucracy, the extra costs, the time wasting queues, the lorry parks, the lost opportunities etc etc.
A last minute deal, which is what I expect will happen, will be a messy compromise that will upset the brextremists, who'll then have another convenient scapegoat so they can continue to dodge responsibility for the shambolic mess they've made of everything.
I'll never forget or forgive them for what they've done to this country.
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