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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 6:21:21 GMT 1
There are plans reported locally that a Brexit lorry park is planned for Warrington. A surprise as it’s 300 miles from Dover. You’ll probably find that a tory party donor has some land around there that’s not worth anything.........at the moment👍
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 9:24:07 GMT 1
There are plans reported locally that a Brexit lorry park is planned for Warrington. A surprise as it’s 300 miles from Dover. You’ll probably find that a tory party donor has some land around there that’s not worth anything.........at the moment👍 Yes, but they're our dodgy party donors.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 10:50:52 GMT 1
This has got the hall mark of a Failing Grayling cock up . Some tenuous link to his position as head of a port authority . Or maybe Rab , who isn’t brilliant on geography .
Whatever another wonderful example of this government in action. Onwards and Upwards then.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 15, 2020 11:04:55 GMT 1
There are plans reported locally that a Brexit lorry park is planned for Warrington. A surprise as it’s 300 miles from Dover. Warrington to become the customs barrier where lorries going to Northern Ireland go through without tariffs and the customs barrier to Southern Ireland is? Being at Warrington would defuse the political problems.
Warrington to be the Irish Border???
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Oct 15, 2020 16:29:06 GMT 1
There are plans reported locally that a Brexit lorry park is planned for Warrington. A surprise as it’s 300 miles from Dover. Warrington to become the customs barrier where lorries going to Northern Ireland go through without tariffs and the customs barrier to Southern Ireland is? Being at Warrington would defuse the political problems.
Warrington to be the Irish Border???
That’s a good idea, but it can’t be right because Boris promised that there would not be a border with Ireland.
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Post by Exkeeper on Oct 15, 2020 19:14:59 GMT 1
Warrington to become the customs barrier where lorries going to Northern Ireland go through without tariffs and the customs barrier to Southern Ireland is? Being at Warrington would defuse the political problems.
Warrington to be the Irish Border???
That’s a good idea, but it can’t be right because Boris promised that there would not be a border with Ireland. 😂😂😂
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Post by darkshrew on Oct 15, 2020 19:58:23 GMT 1
That’s a good idea, but it can’t be right because Boris promised that there would not be a border with Ireland. 😂😂😂 Who could possibly seen this coming - Boris and the Brexit boys lied ??
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 16, 2020 13:35:07 GMT 1
Well, that really is the biggest indication we are going to get that there is to be no overarching trade deal between the UK and the EU. That's pretty strong stuff from Johnson...
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 16, 2020 16:09:08 GMT 1
i have not really followed this for some time but the uk say they wont a canadian style deal and i know it is not this simple but if the EU were ok to give canda that deal why are they seemingly not willing to do the same for the uk.
i know nothing about trade negotiations but you would think that is not so complicated but clearly it is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 17:17:58 GMT 1
i have not really followed this for some time but the uk say they wont a canadian style deal and i know it is not this simple but if the EU were ok to give canda that deal why are they seemingly not willing to do the same for the uk. i know nothing about trade negotiations but you would think that is not so complicated but clearly it is. Because despite everyone being content that it’s the UK and tories being disingenuous, rather than looking at the evidence of the EU behaviour, we are being unreasonable in wanting to leave....
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Post by camdenshrew on Oct 16, 2020 17:24:40 GMT 1
No, the "unreasonable" aspect comes from wanting to break a legally-binding international agreement you've already signed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 17:28:12 GMT 1
No, the "unreasonable" aspect comes from wanting to break a legally-binding international agreement you've already signed. Equally, the legally binding agreement being taken out of context in the way the agreement was formed, and making tenuous links to the fishing to that agreement.... fishing was never on the cards, but the EU have made links to it and really don’t want to lose it, therefore the UK has had to put things in place to protect it.
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Post by camdenshrew on Oct 16, 2020 17:34:27 GMT 1
Why get so hung up on fishing? It's worth less than 1% of our economy. It's bizarrely become some sort of symbol of national virility for the Brexit-at-any-price brigade.
So much for his oven-ready deal he claimed he had before the last election. This is a world away from what people were promised both in the referendum and election, including many who voted for Brexit. I'm staggered you still believe anything Johnson says. The man is a proven liar. He's built his entire career on it.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 16, 2020 17:36:02 GMT 1
i have not really followed this for some time but the uk say they wont a canadian style deal and i know it is not this simple but if the EU were ok to give canda that deal why are they seemingly not willing to do the same for the uk. i know nothing about trade negotiations but you would think that is not so complicated but clearly it is. It is different, the UK has a border with the EU whilst Canada does not. That does changes things somewhat. From what you read (although I don't think anything is known for sure because the talks are behind closed doors) there appeared to be some signs of an agreement coming together for the so called "level playing field". So perhaps the sticking point remains fishing with both the EU (particularity the French) and the UK continuing to see things differently there. Not entirely sure Macron is helping things and I think Johnson is now taking a step back in the hope that others within the EU will be trying to put pressure on France to change its stance (especially Germany). But how it will play out, who knows. There is still time so fingers crossed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 19:16:23 GMT 1
tories being disingenuous, Not sure how anyone could get the idea that the tories are a bunch of liars?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 19:37:37 GMT 1
Why get so hung up on fishing? It's worth less than 1% of our economy. It's bizarrely become some sort of symbol of national virility for the Brexit-at-any-price brigade. So much for his oven-ready deal he claimed he had before the last election. This is a world away from what people were promised both in the referendum and election, including many who voted for Brexit. I'm staggered you still believe anything Johnson says. The man is a proven liar. He's built his entire career on it. Banging on about fishing distracts from the real problems like mass lorry parks in Kent and (hilariously) the extra red tape that ensues.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 16, 2020 19:56:04 GMT 1
No, the "unreasonable" aspect comes from wanting to break a legally-binding international agreement you've already signed. Equally, the legally binding agreement being taken out of context in the way the agreement was formed, and making tenuous links to the fishing to that agreement.... fishing was never on the cards, but the EU have made links to it and really don’t want to lose it, therefore the UK has had to put things in place to protect it. If they didn't like it they should not have signed it. Once signed, my word is my bond.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 17, 2020 9:35:15 GMT 1
i have not really followed this for some time but the uk say they wont a canadian style deal and i know it is not this simple but if the EU were ok to give canda that deal why are they seemingly not willing to do the same for the uk. i know nothing about trade negotiations but you would think that is not so complicated but clearly it is. It is different, the UK has a border with the EU whilst Canada does not. That does changes things somewhat. From what you read (although I don't think anything is known for sure because the talks are behind closed doors) there appeared to be some signs of an agreement coming together for the so called "level playing field". So perhaps the sticking point remains fishing with both the EU (particularity the French) and the UK continuing to see things differently there. Not entirely sure Macron is helping things and I think Johnson is now taking a step back in the hope that others within the EU will be trying to put pressure on France to change its stance (especially Germany). But how it will play out, who knows. There is still time so fingers crossed. yes we do have a land border with the EU via Northern ireland but i do recall the EU offering prime minster May a Canadian style agreement which she declined, so i gues what i was trying to understand was if it was ok for them then why is it not ok for them now.as you say who knows how it will work out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 10:31:58 GMT 1
It is different, the UK has a border with the EU whilst Canada does not. That does changes things somewhat. From what you read (although I don't think anything is known for sure because the talks are behind closed doors) there appeared to be some signs of an agreement coming together for the so called "level playing field". So perhaps the sticking point remains fishing with both the EU (particularity the French) and the UK continuing to see things differently there. Not entirely sure Macron is helping things and I think Johnson is now taking a step back in the hope that others within the EU will be trying to put pressure on France to change its stance (especially Germany). But how it will play out, who knows. There is still time so fingers crossed. yes we do have a land border with the EU via Northern ireland but i do recall the EU offering prime minster May a Canadian style agreement which she declined, so i gues what i was trying to understand was if it was ok for them then why is it not ok for them now.as you say who knows how it will work out. If a Canadian style deal is ok for us now, why wasn’t it then, or have I totally missed the point?
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Post by northwestman on Oct 17, 2020 10:49:06 GMT 1
Tweet from Caroline Lucas M.P.
'Just received letter from PM - sent to all MPs - assuring me we’ll get Australia-type arrangement & “with high hearts & complete confidence” will “prosper mightily”
But EU doesn’t have trade agreement with Australia & only people to prosper will be portaloo companies in Kent'.
And Warrington I might add!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 17, 2020 11:29:43 GMT 1
Right. So Australia doesn't have a trade agreement with the EU. And neither will the UK (unless they can pull something out of the fire). That's kinda the point.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 17, 2020 11:40:02 GMT 1
Tweet from Caroline Lucas M.P. 'Just received letter from PM - sent to all MPs - assuring me we’ll get Australia-type arrangement & “with high hearts & complete confidence” will “prosper mightily” But EU doesn’t have trade agreement with Australia & only people to prosper will be portaloo companies in Kent'. And Warrington I might add! Ex negotiator on the Today programme was asked this morning. We seem to be talking about an Australia deal now, rather than no deal? Answer: An Australia deal is a no deal.
The garden of England is going to be well fertilised.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 17, 2020 11:41:43 GMT 1
yes we do have a land border with the EU via Northern ireland but i do recall the EU offering prime minster May a Canadian style agreement which she declined, so i gues what i was trying to understand was if it was ok for them then why is it not ok for them now.as you say who knows how it will work out. If a Canadian style deal is ok for us now, why wasn’t it then, or have I totally missed the point? you havent ; we had one PM who was offered it by the EU but did not wont it and a PM who wanted it asked for it and it looks as if they wont be offererd it by the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 12:23:44 GMT 1
Right. So Australia doesn't have a trade agreement with the EU. And neither will the UK (unless they can pull something out of the fire). That's kinda the point. So why not just call it no deal?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 14:33:21 GMT 1
Right. So Australia doesn't have a trade agreement with the EU. And neither will the UK (unless they can pull something out of the fire). That's kinda the point. So why not just call it no deal? Because it's not a good look. Calling Brexit some guff or other gives it a whiff of creditability.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 17, 2020 15:11:47 GMT 1
Right. So Australia doesn't have a trade agreement with the EU. And neither will the UK (unless they can pull something out of the fire). That's kinda the point. So why not just call it no deal? Well, first and foremost I suspect because it doesn't sound as good. They'll think it an easier sell. But also because although there won't be some overarching trade deal they will hope to have some deals in place for specific industries and sectors that will go beyond just trade (which I gather it something similar to what the Aussies have in place the EU).
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Post by darkshrew on Oct 19, 2020 18:57:15 GMT 1
Pretty much everyone has said all along that no deal was not the desired outcome - a " disastrous no deal" to quote BoJo - really difficult to turn this into a success.
Perhaps they have such contempt for the intelligence of the British public that they think we will be hoodwinked into thinking that getting an Australian deal means that we actually got a deal.
Perhaps they believe their own bulls**t - no that is too far.
Fact is they know that people won't like admitting they were conned and were stupid to be taken in. So they will get away with it because all the Brexit Boys will join them in proclaiming it is a great deal for Great Britain with great opportunities (not the UK because Northern Ireland is ****ed of course).
Then when it all goes tits up it will be because of COVID, the leftie judges, Kier Starmer, the BBC, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 20:32:47 GMT 1
I see Theresa May wasn’t at all impressed with Gove’s response to questions in the house about national security. She can be seen mouthing the words “ what “ and “utter rubbish “ . That’s Gove for you , even his own party don’t believe a word he says . A most odious individual indeed .
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Post by northwestman on Oct 20, 2020 13:55:57 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/20/brexit-gove-no-deal-internal-bordersInternal borders, criminals on the loose – this is the utopia we’ve dreamed of. Who needs fresh vegetables anyway? In recent weeks, the government has announced exciting plans for “inland border sites” in places such as Warrington, Birmingham and Epping Forest. There will be no place too landlocked to be left out of lorry tailbacks and additional layers of red tape – previously the preserve of coastal elites – suggesting the government’s levelling up agenda is already deeply and meaningfully under way. In Kent, near what was once the so-called border, any 7,000-lorry queues will be equipped with state-of-the-art roadside amenities such as portable toilets, stand-pipes, and receptacles in which to dispose of plastic waste or hitchhikers. In Suffolk, the Financial Times reports that Felixstowe, Britain’s biggest container port, has been ground to a virtual halt in peak hours by Covid restrictions, and a shortage of labour to respond to them. Happily, Felixstowe has a high-level adviser in the shape of … hang on, let me get my lorgnette … ah yes, a Mr Chris Grayling. You may be familiar with his work. No doubt he comes very highly recommended.
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Post by darkshrew on Nov 12, 2020 8:56:37 GMT 1
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