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Post by salop27 on Jul 19, 2019 19:09:16 GMT 1
I was getting worried then as I thought neilsalop had forgotten to blame the Conservatives for anything but he came good in the last few lines above 👍 True to form Martinshrew and salop27 jump to the Tories defence like race horses in blinkers. Open your eyes and minds to check out reality some time, sooner the better.  I was poking fun at my fellow forum member in a jovial manner 😁 We all have our opinions and mine is that May has been awful but she's still a better choice then Corbyn. With a new PM on Thursday I'm sure we can all agree better times ahead. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 19, 2019 19:18:05 GMT 1
True to form Martinshrew and salop27 jump to the Tories defence like race horses in blinkers. Open your eyes and minds to check out reality some time, sooner the better. I was poking fun at my fellow forum member in a jovial manner 😁 We all have our opinions and mine is that May has been awful but she's still a better choice then Corbyn. With a new PM on Thursday I'm sure we can all agree better times ahead. We agree on May, disagree on Corbyn and we can certainly look forward to interesting times with our new PM after Thursday, I assume your joviality continues with regard to your better times ahead view. Here's to another 103 pages of political jousting, what does it all matter if we have our health and a bob or two in our pocket. Cheers |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 22:02:36 GMT 1
I was getting worried then as I thought neilsalop had forgotten to blame the Conservatives for anything but he came good in the last few lines above 👍 Six years of Tory driven idealogical austerity leading to a hatred and mistrust of most politicians.
David Cameron calling a flawed referendum.
Cameron and Osbourne taking a win for granted.
Project Fear instead of pointing to the good and great things that being in the EU has brought to the country.
Lies on buses and Russian bots allowed to go uncontested by the law or the media
Theresa May calling an election and then effectively losing it.
Theresa May failling completely to negotiate a realistic deal.
So pray tell who else is at fault for this entire clusterf**k?
I'll wait.
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Post by salop27 on Jul 20, 2019 11:08:50 GMT 1
I seems likely for a November general election. Either to get brexit done or for the new pm to rid parliament of the independent mps. So I look forward to discussing the merits and negatives of the parties then. |
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 20, 2019 11:11:56 GMT 1
Six years of Tory driven idealogical austerity leading to a hatred and mistrust of most politicians.
David Cameron calling a flawed referendum.
Cameron and Osbourne taking a win for granted.
Project Fear instead of pointing to the good and great things that being in the EU has brought to the country.
Lies on buses and Russian bots allowed to go uncontested by the law or the media
Theresa May calling an election and then effectively losing it.
Theresa May failling completely to negotiate a realistic deal.
So pray tell who else is at fault for this entire clusterf**k?
I'll wait.
Good job I didn't hold my breath. Come on salop27, surely you must have been able to Google a snappy comeback by now. You're slacking owe lad, maybe Martin or Valerie could help. I’ll have a go! Simply put, in all that “cluster****” you describe so eloquently, the Labour Party have been nowhere to be seen as far as ANY election goes, which says it all about the state of that mob... your side also lost in a referendum. So you are very much in the minority in your views, which probably explains the bitterness  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 11:42:10 GMT 1
It’s hard to think of many of the great events in history that didnt begin with someone being very much in the minority.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 12:31:43 GMT 1
The minority of 2016 is very much the majority now and that is what the zealous Brexiteers are afraid of and that is why there is this "mad" (literally) dash to achieve their ruinous objective.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 15:05:36 GMT 1
Good job I didn't hold my breath. Come on salop27, surely you must have been able to Google a snappy comeback by now. You're slacking owe lad, maybe Martin or Valerie could help. I’ll have a go! Simply put, in all that “cluster****” you describe so eloquently, the Labour Party have been nowhere to be seen as far as ANY election goes, which says it all about the state of that mob... your side also lost in a referendum. So you are very much in the minority in your views, which probably explains the bitterness Perhaps a Labour party led government would have negotiated access to the single market and the customs union, in which case there would be no need for a backstop and we could have already delivered Brexit. Unfortunately your lot are incapable of negotiation and to be honest I wouldn't trust them to deliver a pizza. Not that a sane Brexit would have satisfied you or your Tory mates. EFTA membership would be seen as a failure to exit properly and the right wing press would have blamed it all on Labour. To be honest I'm quite happy for Bozo to prorogue parliament and force through a no deal Brexit, because then at least the failures to come will have complete Tory ownership. By all means have your Tory Brexit and enjoy the first few months of euphoria before the undoubted s**tstorm starts to rain down. Theresa May came up with a terrible deal, no-deal will make her look like a genius. Besides maiming the Tory party a no-deal Brexit should have the added bonus of putting Farage out of at least one of his jobs and also of sending Widdecombe back to her coven (ducks for cover from the shouts of misogyny from Stutty). |
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Post by percy on Jul 22, 2019 9:12:24 GMT 1
Now Paris based ! Well, western suburbs of Paris. Watched French political programme yesterday to see what the French are worried about - Macron, yellow vests etc.
But no, they were talking about Kippergate and expressing real surprise that the British were still going to appoint Boris as PM even though he blatantly lied to the public; and - what they seemed to be really surprised at - it was not even an ingenious lie or one that got him out of a hole; it was just stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 9:43:58 GMT 1
Now Paris based ! Well, western suburbs of Paris. Watched French political programme yesterday to see what the French are worried about - Macron, yellow vests etc. But no, they were talking about Kippergate and expressing real surprise that the British were still going to appoint Boris as PM even though he blatantly lied to the public; and - what they seemed to be really surprised at - it was not even an ingenious lie or one that got him out of a hole; it was just stupid. The French are laughing at us. Can we get any lower ? Oh yes indeed . Boris in charge with one of the great offices of state occupied by Liz Truss the well known cheese woman. With Boris making jokes at PMQ and Truss telling everyone who cares to listen that “ it’s a disgrace “ whatever “it” is the French will not be the only ones p**sing themselves with laughter . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 10:37:39 GMT 1
Probably. Anyway, good luck. |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 22, 2019 11:30:50 GMT 1
The minority of 2016 is very much the majority now and that is what the zealous Brexiteers are afraid of and that is why there is this "mad" (literally) dash to achieve their ruinous objective. It's not a ruinous objective, it's simply one you don't agree with. |
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Post by venceremos on Jul 22, 2019 12:23:59 GMT 1
Now Paris based ! Well, western suburbs of Paris. Watched French political programme yesterday to see what the French are worried about - Macron, yellow vests etc. But no, they were talking about Kippergate and expressing real surprise that the British were still going to appoint Boris as PM even though he blatantly lied to the public; and - what they seemed to be really surprised at - it was not even an ingenious lie or one that got him out of a hole; it was just stupid. The French are laughing at us. Can we get any lower ? Kippergate is an interesting one. I read an intriguing thing last week. The theory goes that Johnson's model bus making joke and kipper pratfall shouldn't be taken at face value. They were intentional. What Johnson was doing, under instruction no doubt, was cleansing his digital history. If you google "Boris Johnson bus", you now get a first page about him relaxing by making model buses, rather than the Great Lie on the side of the brexit bus (apart from one article). Google "Boris Johnson kipper" and it's all about the inaccurate nonsense he was spouting about supposed EU regulations, nothing on the story of the Ukip donor who gave Johnson £20k just before his kipper "gaffe". It's all a deliberate digital cleanse - airbrushing history in other words. Interesting and certainly plausible - next time Johnson appears to make a cock up, think laterally about what in his online past he might be covering up. There could be something in this. |
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jul 22, 2019 13:00:15 GMT 1
Now Paris based ! Well, western suburbs of Paris. Watched French political programme yesterday to see what the French are worried about - Macron, yellow vests etc. But no, they were talking about Kippergate and expressing real surprise that the British were still going to appoint Boris as PM even though he blatantly lied to the public; and - what they seemed to be really surprised at - it was not even an ingenious lie or one that got him out of a hole; it was just stupid. The French are laughing at us. Can we get any lower ? Kippergate is an interesting one. I read an intriguing thing last week. The theory goes that Johnson's model bus making joke and kipper pratfall shouldn't be taken at face value. They were intentional. What Johnson was doing, under instruction no doubt, was cleansing his digital history. If you google "Boris Johnson bus", you now get a first page about him relaxing by making model buses, rather than the Great Lie on the side of the brexit bus (apart from one article). Google "Boris Johnson kipper" and it's all about the inaccurate nonsense he was spouting about supposed EU regulations, nothing on the story of the Ukip donor who gave Johnson £20k just before his kipper "gaffe". It's all a deliberate digital cleanse - airbrushing history in other words. Interesting and certainly plausible - next time Johnson appears to make a cock up, think laterally about what in his online past he might be covering up. There could be something in this. Next thing you'll be telling us the Moon landing didn't happen |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 22, 2019 13:53:29 GMT 1
Now Paris based ! Well, western suburbs of Paris. Watched French political programme yesterday to see what the French are worried about - Macron, yellow vests etc. But no, they were talking about Kippergate and expressing real surprise that the British were still going to appoint Boris as PM even though he blatantly lied to the public; and - what they seemed to be really surprised at - it was not even an ingenious lie or one that got him out of a hole; it was just stupid. The French are laughing at us. Can we get any lower ? Kippergate is an interesting one. I read an intriguing thing last week. The theory goes that Johnson's model bus making joke and kipper pratfall shouldn't be taken at face value. They were intentional. What Johnson was doing, under instruction no doubt, was cleansing his digital history. If you google "Boris Johnson bus", you now get a first page about him relaxing by making model buses, rather than the Great Lie on the side of the brexit bus (apart from one article). Google "Boris Johnson kipper" and it's all about the inaccurate nonsense he was spouting about supposed EU regulations, nothing on the story of the Ukip donor who gave Johnson £20k just before his kipper "gaffe". It's all a deliberate digital cleanse - airbrushing history in other words. Interesting and certainly plausible - next time Johnson appears to make a cock up, think laterally about what in his online past he might be covering up. There could be something in this. The earth flat as well is it? |
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Post by venceremos on Jul 22, 2019 15:05:33 GMT 1
Kippergate is an interesting one. I read an intriguing thing last week. The theory goes that Johnson's model bus making joke and kipper pratfall shouldn't be taken at face value. They were intentional. What Johnson was doing, under instruction no doubt, was cleansing his digital history. If you google "Boris Johnson bus", you now get a first page about him relaxing by making model buses, rather than the Great Lie on the side of the brexit bus (apart from one article). Google "Boris Johnson kipper" and it's all about the inaccurate nonsense he was spouting about supposed EU regulations, nothing on the story of the Ukip donor who gave Johnson £20k just before his kipper "gaffe". It's all a deliberate digital cleanse - airbrushing history in other words. Interesting and certainly plausible - next time Johnson appears to make a cock up, think laterally about what in his online past he might be covering up. There could be something in this. The earth flat as well is it? I must say I prefer the orthodox interpretation, that Johnson is a lying idiot who knows nothing about the EU. Seems you do too, eh Martin? Can he really be so stupid though - and his advisers? Perhaps so. Ah well, can’t say I didn’t offer you a way out. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t stop him being blinded by his own prejudice, or something ..... |
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Post by venceremos on Jul 22, 2019 15:15:08 GMT 1
Kippergate is an interesting one. I read an intriguing thing last week. The theory goes that Johnson's model bus making joke and kipper pratfall shouldn't be taken at face value. They were intentional. What Johnson was doing, under instruction no doubt, was cleansing his digital history. If you google "Boris Johnson bus", you now get a first page about him relaxing by making model buses, rather than the Great Lie on the side of the brexit bus (apart from one article). Google "Boris Johnson kipper" and it's all about the inaccurate nonsense he was spouting about supposed EU regulations, nothing on the story of the Ukip donor who gave Johnson £20k just before his kipper "gaffe". It's all a deliberate digital cleanse - airbrushing history in other words. Interesting and certainly plausible - next time Johnson appears to make a cock up, think laterally about what in his online past he might be covering up. There could be something in this. Next thing you'll be telling us the Moon landing didn't happen Did you miss where I said it was a theory?  The bus story seems highly plausible and the evidence to back it up is there - Johnson and the Great Lie have been decoupled online. The kipper one is less convincing but can anyone - and, more to the point, the team of advisers behind them - be quite so stupid as to make a great show of something so comprehensively wrong? The brexiteers don’t care who’s PM as long as they say what they want to hear, although we know Johnson’s a proven liar, so why would he be telling the truth now? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 0:17:45 GMT 1
The minority of 2016 is very much the majority now and that is what the zealous Brexiteers are afraid of and that is why there is this "mad" (literally) dash to achieve their ruinous objective. It's not a ruinous objective, it's simply one you don't agree with. It's an objective based on emotion and because of that the blinkered ones cannot see that it will end in tears and many of them. |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 23, 2019 10:55:41 GMT 1
It's not a ruinous objective, it's simply one you don't agree with. It's an objective based on emotion and because of that the blinkered ones cannot see that it will end in tears and many of them. It's an objective that was democratically voted for. "End in tears", based on what? The same predictions that the country would be in an immediate recession just on a vote to leave? (That never happened!) |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 23, 2019 11:30:27 GMT 1
It's an objective based on emotion and because of that the blinkered ones cannot see that it will end in tears and many of them. It's an objective that was democratically voted for. "End in tears", based on what? The same predictions that the country would be in an immediate recession just on a vote to leave? (That never happened!) Never quite understood why just a vote to leave was predicted to plunge the country into recession. Crush sentiment in the future of our finances and send the pound and stock market down were what I expected, that, of course, happened. You only get the recession when you have actually left and are trying to operate a country when you don't have just in time manufacturing and supply with other major manufacturing countries in Europe because of border checks, our farmers are operating in a completely new unknown and untested way and other EU countries are free to pinch "our" fish as soon as they stray a little, plus all the other effects on every industry in our country, such as the finance industry. Don't ever get the idea that the EU are not going to continue to put the EU before GB as they have done through the Brexit negotiations so far. It is, after all, their purpose to look after their members, we should not expect anything less from them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 11:32:00 GMT 1
It's an objective based on emotion and because of that the blinkered ones cannot see that it will end in tears and many of them. It's an objective that was democratically voted for. "End in tears", based on what? The same predictions that the country would be in an immediate recession just on a vote to leave? (That never happened!) As I said, keep burying your head in the sand |
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Post by percy on Jul 25, 2019 7:01:06 GMT 1
Andrea Leadsom - "No deal will be fine" - Business Secretary  Dominic Raab - the EU said the most ineffective counterpart they had ever negotiated with - Foreign Secretary Priti Patel - bring back hanging, trade for aid, off the books deals, etc - Home Secretary Ben Wallace - who ? - Defence Secretary Liz Truss - cheese spokesman as we introduce massive tariffs on cheese in a no deal - International Trade Secretary Robert Buckland - in 2008 found guilty of professional misconduct by the Bar Standards Board - Justice Secretary I sit open mouthed - not only has Boris chosen a cabinet with no contrary views to "no deal" on 31 October at all to inspire debate like any good executive committee (not)- the appointments are just really poor choices. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 7:11:10 GMT 1
Andrea Leadsom - "No deal will be fine" - Business Secretary Dominic Raab - the EU said the most ineffective counterpart they had ever negotiated with - Foreign Secretary Priti Patel - bring back hanging, trade for aid, off the books deals, etc - Home Secretary Ben Wallace - who ? - Defence Secretary Liz Truss - cheese spokesman as we introduce massive tariffs on cheese in a no deal - International Trade Secretary Robert Buckland - in 2008 found guilty of professional misconduct by the Bar Standards Board - Justice Secretary I sit open mouthed - not only has Boris chosen a cabinet with no contrary views to "no deal" on 31 October at all to inspire debate like any good executive committee (not)- the appointments are just really poor choices. Well, yes, on the one hand they are poor choices. But, on the other hand they are absolutely the right choices for the ERG and Banks, et al. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 7:50:29 GMT 1
While we're critquing the new cabinet Theresa Villiers is worth a mention.
She has spoken out publicly in support of Iranian resistance to the Iranian regime at an event in Paris in 2017, organised by the National Council of Resistance of Iran. The NCRI is considered by some analysts to be a front organisation for the Mojahedin-e-Khalq (MEK), which was once listed by the US as a terror organisation.
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Post by percy on Jul 25, 2019 8:06:00 GMT 1
Well, yes, on the one hand they are poor choices. But, on the other hand they are absolutely the right choices for the ERG and Banks, et al. I do not know where Corbyn got the "friends of the banks" line from. There is no bank in the UK supporting a "no deal" nor any form of "Brexit". If anything the Lid Dems are the friends of the banks - any only for one policy - "Remain". The banks need the economy to do well and (more importantly) interest rates to rise so they can make a margin. No deal Brexit will crush both.. So only the right choices for the ERG. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 8:53:47 GMT 1
Well, yes, on the one hand they are poor choices. But, on the other hand they are absolutely the right choices for the ERG and Banks, et al. I do not know where Corbyn got the "friends of the banks" line from. There is no bank in the UK supporting a "no deal" nor any form of "Brexit". If anything the Lid Dems are the friends of the banks - any only for one policy - "Remain". The banks need the economy to do well and (more importantly) interest rates to rise so they can make a margin. No deal Brexit will crush both.. So only the right choices for the ERG. Sorry Percy, I meant Arron Banks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 9:40:18 GMT 1
I do not know where Corbyn got the "friends of the banks" line from. There is no bank in the UK supporting a "no deal" nor any form of "Brexit". If anything the Lid Dems are the friends of the banks - any only for one policy - "Remain". The banks need the economy to do well and (more importantly) interest rates to rise so they can make a margin. No deal Brexit will crush both.. So only the right choices for the ERG. Sorry Percy, I meant Arron Banks. You did have Banks beginning with a capital letter, so it was clear enough what you meant. |
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Post by percy on Jul 25, 2019 14:48:07 GMT 1
Just got off a conf call with an amazing bit of gossip (true or not I do not know). Farage has done a deal with Boris - he will back the Tories in a general election in return for a seat in the Lords. Boris feels that this will enable him to win a clear majority in a general election and give him a mandate to do what he wants. For Farage it avoids a second referendum between revoke and no deal and gets him a job for life.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 25, 2019 15:14:28 GMT 1
Just got off a conf call with an amazing bit of gossip (true or not I do not know). Farage has done a deal with Boris - he will back the Tories in a general election in return for a seat in the Lords. Boris feels that this will enable him to win a clear majority in a general election and give him a mandate to do what he wants. For Farage it avoids a second referendum between revoke and no deal and gets him a job for life. Boris is never going to stoop that low to usurp the (current) will of parliament. Boris is a fine, decent man, you only have to look at the way he conducts himself in his family and working life. Just a few minor blemishes with failed relationships and made up headlines. Forage, on the other hand, is a self serving weasel. |
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