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Post by chameleon on Sept 27, 2014 17:06:20 GMT 1
For me we need 2 quality wingers that can take full backs on and get quality crosses in. We need a Paul Maquire, Mark Pugh type of player. We need a cutting edge. Maybe we'll have to look at the loan system.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Sept 27, 2014 17:08:47 GMT 1
I'm not being funny but it tarts from the back . How come at home it's play it from the back and away it's every goal kick going long .you cannot expect things to stick if you're banging high balls all the time . p**sed off . Another poor away display . **** sake
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 18:06:42 GMT 1
Do we perhaps need a big tough striker to make space and room for the likes of Collins, a la marvin morgan?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 18:17:05 GMT 1
Do we perhaps need a big tough striker to make space and room for the likes of Collins, a la marvin morgan? Isnt Akpro meant to be that type of striker?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 18:34:32 GMT 1
Meant to be indeed. I'm prob way off the mark but he never seems to play in the middle? Bit of a wide man.
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 27, 2014 18:34:38 GMT 1
Yes a Decent winger (preferably with pace) would add a lot to our attack. Vincent is ok but other than that we don't have much in the winger department.
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Post by chameleon on Sept 27, 2014 18:37:49 GMT 1
1 goal in the last 5 league games is unacceptable and MM needs to address this asap.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 18:55:13 GMT 1
Maybe we are now really seeing why Fleetwood got rid of Mellon.
We have been poor for quite a while now and i'm not going to be fooled by a flash in the pan win over Norwich reserves.
MM doesn't seem to be coming up with any answers as we seemed to be reapeating the same mistakes week in week out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 19:13:06 GMT 1
Maybe we are now really seeing why Fleetwood got rid of Mellon. We have been poor for quite a while now and i'm not going to be fooled by a flash in the pan win over Norwich reserves. MM doesn't seem to be coming up with any answers as we seemed to be reapeating the same mistakes week in week out. Very harsh. That sounds like a typical 606 call! Relegation and 17 new signings was always likely to mean there was work to do and progress would be steady rather than out of this world. We're in the playoff places after 10,games, made sure the doom and gloom was lifted and have had a great cup run. There's clearly work to do, but what did folk expect?
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Post by chameleon on Sept 27, 2014 19:50:26 GMT 1
With the signings of Wesoloski, Lawrence, Collins, Vernon, Knight-Percival, and keeping hold of the likes of Woods and Goldson i feel we should be challenging right near the top. We're just missing 2 orthodox wingers from our squad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 19:51:40 GMT 1
If your satisfied with the mediocrity being served up at the moment then that's your choosing. personally I didn't think Mellon was a good appointment and still don't. Certainly not a 606 impulse reaction from me.
The cup run is papering over some huge league cracks at the moment.
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 27, 2014 20:05:35 GMT 1
If your satisfied with the mediocrity being served up at the moment then that's your choosing. personally I didn't think Mellon was a good appointment and still don't. Certainly not a 606 impulse reaction from me. The cup run is papering over some huge league cracks at the moment.
Mediocre is about where we should be considering the rebuilding that's gone on. I'm happy with it. To suggest we should be anything better than mediocre at this stage of this particular season is quite simply bonkers.
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Post by MartinB on Sept 27, 2014 20:06:31 GMT 1
If your satisfied with the mediocrity being served up at the moment then that's your choosing. personally I didn't think Mellon was a good appointment and still don't. Certainly not a 606 impulse reaction from me. The cup run is papering over some huge league cracks at the moment. Totally agree only acceptable appointment was Alex Ferguson.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 20:15:12 GMT 1
Ok folks.
Let's review this again December, January and see if you are still as forgiving.
Maybe not fergie but someone who has at least achieved something at this level. I don't expect stfc to be challenging for the champions league sometime soon.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Sept 27, 2014 20:19:15 GMT 1
If your satisfied with the mediocrity being served up at the moment then that's your choosing. personally I didn't think Mellon was a good appointment and still don't. Certainly not a 606 impulse reaction from me. The cup run is papering over some huge league cracks at the moment. we are into only the second month of the season with a new squad ! You'll be calling for the return of gt next !
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Post by mattmw on Sept 27, 2014 20:20:34 GMT 1
Compared with the other sides that got relegated alongside us - Stevenage, Tranmere and Carlisle we're doing well. Certainly not time to get too worried and a few away wins between now and Christmas will ease the nerves
That said I think tactically were not the best, and ten games in we don't seem to have the preferred formation or first 11 established. Over the next few weeks think we need to decide on a formation and stick with it. The tinkering isn't helping the side gell
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 27, 2014 20:21:32 GMT 1
Ok folks. Let's review this again December, January and see if you are still as forgiving. Maybe not fergie but someone who has at least achieved something at this level. I don't expect stfc to be challenging for the champions league sometime soon.
Yep. Early January is the time where it should be questioned. Hopefully what isn't working at that stage can be addressed in the window and will be done so through closer analysis of what is needed than MM had available in the pre-season.
We're doing better than I thought we would to be honest. This squad could've been 'anything' (and still could be). However, even if we were down the bottom at this stage it would be too early to tell if we were any good or not.
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 27, 2014 20:28:39 GMT 1
The tinkering isn't helping the side gell
You've got to tinker to find out.
Putting 17 players together at short notice is something completely out of the ordinary for any manager to deal with. Tinkering is where it still should be at this moment in time. MM has to know for sure how one player, plays and acts with another. Relationships are important too, they could all end up hating one another.
Tuckmans stages. We're still in the forming stage! So it might get worse before it gets better.
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Post by mattmw on Sept 27, 2014 20:41:34 GMT 1
Looking at our last two seasons in league one our start this year is pretty similar
In 10/11 when we finished 4th we had 18 points at this stage W 5; D3; L2
11/12 when we finished 2nd after ten games we has 20 points W6; D2; L2
This year it's 15 points from ten games so not much difference
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 21:06:55 GMT 1
17 new signings wasn't it in the summer? The only surprise for me is we have so many points on the board at this point.
It'll take time for the team and squad to gel. MM seems to be picking a team to play football the 'right way'. I think we also need to learn to grind out results, especially away from home.
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Post by El Presidente on Sept 27, 2014 21:28:22 GMT 1
Ok folks. Let's review this again December, January and see if you are still as forgiving. Maybe not fergie but someone who has at least achieved something at this level. I don't expect stfc to be challenging for the champions league sometime soon. If people only ever recruited based on past performance, how would the stars of tomorrow ever be discovered? And, as an investor, I live by the maxim 'past performance does not guarantee future results'. Now of course we want to be looking for promotion, but I think Mellon's performance in post to date has been pretty impressive. Picking decent players, cheaply, League cup run, good home performance, usually decent football to watch...we've stuffed up 4 times away, only three of those in the league. I really don't think it's worthy of such gloom.
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Post by shrewsoftheworld on Sept 27, 2014 21:32:03 GMT 1
The away form is now getting to be a worry, but to dismiss the cup run and superb home form as papering over the cracks is extremely harsh.
If anything for me it demonstrates just what the team is capable of and does therefore make the points return from games on the road all the more perplexing.
However had we taken the chances we have created then we would have got at least a couple of away wins under our belt by now.
MM still hasn't settled on his preferred front two and of the 4 options Jean Louis is the least natural finisher as his record has proven.
I would go with collo and vernon as a starting partnership as I am certain they can play their way into form with a run of games together and you still have mangan and AA there to make an impact from the bench when required.
There isn't that much wrong and given all the changes in such a short space of time after last seasons debacle I would have taken that at the start
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 27, 2014 22:24:38 GMT 1
The cup run is papering over some huge league cracks at the moment. Didn't that happen before with a certain Mr Ratcliffe? Certainly needs to be kept an eye on, but hopefully MM will come good, wasn't his leaving Fleetwood considered harsh?
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Post by unclebob on Sept 27, 2014 23:20:30 GMT 1
New team, 7th place, unbeaten at home, not so good away yet but there is plenty of time yet so not panicking just yet,
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Post by nickasfar on Sept 28, 2014 0:05:26 GMT 1
Definitely not panicking but an away win would make things a whole lot rosier. It'd also make the trek to Plymouth a lot more rewarding. Thought we were OK today but didn't do enough to really threaten and some sketchy reffing it away from us entirely.
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Post by Matster on Sept 28, 2014 7:19:38 GMT 1
What's the win ratio compared to the previous mansgers, someone has it in their signature.
We've had a cup run, surely a performance management ticket for achievement.
No one is booing the cb pairing.
We are actually having shots at goal, not just passing it along the defence. Hopefully that'll turn into more goals and more wins.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 28, 2014 9:06:09 GMT 1
Got to love the football fan. MM was the best manager we've ever had this pre-season and that was from just recruiting a player or two that weren't loan signings. Now we've one (and I suspect one or two) questioning his appointment after a start that isn't all that bad all things considered. Somewhere between the two at the minute surely, too early to say either way...
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Post by El Presidente on Sept 28, 2014 9:46:56 GMT 1
What's the win ratio compared to the previous mansgers, someone has it in their signature. We've had a cup run, surely a performance management ticket for achievement. No one is booing the cb pairing. We are actually having shots at goal, not just passing it along the defence. Hopefully that'll turn into more goals and more wins. All competitions: P:14 W:7 D:3 L:4 Played to Won ratio is 50%.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 9:51:07 GMT 1
Maintaining a high level of confidence and belief will be MM's main task at the moment.
You can be the best coach in the world, but it is meaningless unless the players are mentally strong.
Last season you could see the belief and confidence drain away minute by minute game by game.
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 28, 2014 10:20:06 GMT 1
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