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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 7:51:40 GMT 1
Well, may I ask what you expected to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically...?I'm reminded of this when reading this thread. I'm a tad confused with the response. Loggerheads? Check. Club name? Check. 1886? Check. Floreat Salopia? Check. What else are people expecting?! Educated guess is that the round badge is needed because if differentiates our badge with that say of the council. We wanted a badge that represented who we are. This does. Simple as. Spot on IMO and great work by those on the SP who do something practical rather than just moan. Some folk on here have a strange idea of how football clubs and businesses are run. While I'd like to see supporters involved in decisions the reaction on here show why it is difficult from the clubs perspective; a) the diversity of opinion (you can't please all of the people all of the time b) the fact that some think a business can be run by discussing everything with everyone c) the fact that most of us fail to acknowledge the practical side of a new badge (copyright, timing with contracts etc) d) some fans forget that if the club dedicated all its time and resources to this issue it would be at the cost do other things. Now we've got what most people wanted I hope people move on. Now the badge represents the club I support the issue really has become "just a badge" to me.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Sept 22, 2014 9:50:25 GMT 1
Been away all weekend, and having read this thread at first it got me a little depressed that all the hard work and where we have got now was being attacked. Fair enough through, you cant please everyone.
I could go on but in the main from other places than B and A and the response to the SP things have actually been really well received. Thats great.
The thing I loved the most however are posters who for years have hung there hat on the cost factor changing, now having the balls to complain that to keep costs down it makes sense to stick with the circle. You have to laugh really.
Anyway, Loggerheads will be back, we finally got over a hurdle that I never through could be a few years ago. To say getting to where we are now was a massive undertaking would be an understatement. So many fans have put time effort and in some cases cost into getting this pushed on that its shouldn't be viewed as anything more than fan power in action.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 22, 2014 20:05:07 GMT 1
And that people who have raised a view that deviates from that of the SP are ridiculed for doing so. It saves the club doing it I suppose but it's something that should stop before it becomes a trend.
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Post by El Presidente on Sept 22, 2014 20:31:14 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 21:43:20 GMT 1
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 22, 2014 22:45:30 GMT 1
I'd be seriously p!ssed off if I was one of the gallant band who actively campaigned for an end to clippy.
I've had plenty of experience of being on committees and working parties that worked hard to achieve change and then found their conclusions rubbished by the snipers from the sidelines who never lifted a finger to help while the hard yards were being won.
Clippy will be gone and the loggerheads will return. Hallelujah!
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Post by MartinB on Sept 23, 2014 6:55:30 GMT 1
I'd be seriously p!ssed off if I was one of the gallant band who actively campaigned for an end to clippy. I've had plenty of experience of being on committees and working parties that worked hard to achieve change and then found their conclusions rubbished by the snipers from the sidelines who never lifted a finger to help while the hard yards were being won. Clippy will be gone and the loggerheads will return. Hallelujah! Come on your know it is far easier to sit on your backside and moan than it is to actually be involved. Lots of the people moaning dont have a clue what is involved. Well done to all the people who have brought about the change. Some people you will never please. Remember in the 80's when our away record was even worse than it is now having a pop at someone that they must have been gutted because we had won because it didn't give them anything to moan about.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 15:30:28 GMT 1
And that people who have raised a view that deviates from that of the SP are ridiculed for doing so. It saves the club doing it I suppose but it's something that should stop before it becomes a trend. Members of the SP aren’t ridiculing anyone from what I can make out. What I see are people explaining the realities.
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Post by mattmw on Sept 23, 2014 17:39:38 GMT 1
Am still a bit confused as to where the new design comes from? Was it done in house by the club or done by an external design company?
If its the latter it seems a little unusual they have submitted what is basically the same design 4 times, rather than a variety of designs that meet the design spec set out to them.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 23, 2014 19:16:43 GMT 1
Am still a bit confused as to where the new design comes from? Was it done in house by the club or done by an external design company? If its the latter it seems a little unusual they have submitted what is basically the same design 4 times, rather than a variety of designs that meet the design spec set out to them. Usually designers present a portfolio of designs for consideration by the client, but reading the comments of people involved in the process it seems that there were significant constraints to the scope of the design which limited the possible variations.
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Post by Chathamshrew on Sept 23, 2014 20:37:34 GMT 1
Think the 1886 should be dropped from main body of design wont look aesthetically pleasing, other than that all good!
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Post by mattmw on Sept 23, 2014 21:40:17 GMT 1
Am still a bit confused as to where the new design comes from? Was it done in house by the club or done by an external design company? If its the latter it seems a little unusual they have submitted what is basically the same design 4 times, rather than a variety of designs that meet the design spec set out to them. Usually designers present a portfolio of designs for consideration by the client, but reading the comments of people involved in the process it seems that there were significant constraints to the scope of the design which limited the possible variations. That's the bit that confuses me to be honest. The point of employing a designer to create the designs is to look at all the options available and create designs that meet the criteria needed by the club. From the comments on here it seems more that the club undertook this side of things themselves No disrespect to the club staff, but its that "in house" view on it that led to the clip art shambles of the last few years. Just think with a bit of professional design input (which doesn't have to be expensive or time consuming) could produce a greater variety of designs to choose from
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 23, 2014 23:59:51 GMT 1
And that people who have raised a view that deviates from that of the SP are ridiculed for doing so. It saves the club doing it I suppose but it's something that should stop before it becomes a trend. Members of the SP aren’t ridiculing anyone from what I can make out. What I see are people explaining the realities. This
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 8:12:34 GMT 1
br] No disrespect to the club staff, but its that "in house" view on it that led to the clip art shambles of the last few years. Really? I understood clip art was "created" by a proper designer. Someone called Brooke's?? Could be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 12:31:07 GMT 1
br] No disrespect to the club staff, but its that "in house" view on it that led to the clip art shambles of the last few years. Really? I understood clip art was "created" by a proper designer. Someone called Brooke's?? Could be wrong. Im sure the story was the club (Roland) wanted a change of badge so engaged a local designer, he mocked up some designs purely as a first draft as to what a badge could look like, Roland liked the one and said he wanted that exact one. I must admit that Im slightly torn, I appreciate everyone's efforts and do know some of them personally so Im not way criticising them, Id also personally be happy with any of the designs although do prefer a shield rather than a circle. However I dont like the idea that the process is being rushed through just to hit deadlines for next season. Personally Id prefer to endure clippy for one more season if it meant we knew that a new badge was being designed professionally and looking at all options
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Post by AlisonS on Sept 24, 2014 14:12:25 GMT 1
Given that for me the badge we lost in 2007 was as near perfection as it was possible to get, I was always destined to be disappointed, although I was hopeful of some of the possibilities shown in the fans designs. The time between the badge decision and design decision was unfeasibly short for me at least, to realise that I might have a say in what came next. And I really don't like round badges, the Loggerheads constrained in a little ball just doesn't look right to me - so I am slightly dismayed to find that I am faced with a choice of four of them virtually identical!
BUT, the Club has conceded the Loggerheads back to us and if their sticking point is a round badge and a short timescale, I completely understand that. So well done to everyone who worked so hard in the campaign and have had to make some difficult decisions. We have rescued our history and are getting rid of the sodding lion sooner rather than later - a result to celebrate, I think.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 24, 2014 22:19:53 GMT 1
Members of the SP aren’t ridiculing anyone from what I can make out. What I see are people explaining the realities. This Apologies if, for example, Tony Kelly's Belly isn't a member of the SP.
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Post by suttonshrew on Sept 24, 2014 22:44:02 GMT 1
I can't speak for anyone else on the sp but if I've said anything that's come across as knocking people's opinion I haven't meant to that's what the sp is about and why we formed it. Am I dissapointed...... Yes..... Because whilst I know we can't please everyone I still want to!! But I also know what has gone on behind the scenes what we have had to do to get here, timescales and where we would be if people like Rog,Glyn, Oli and the guys hadn't been involved. While some are dissapointed please please please rejoice the fact we have the loggerheads back, help the sp have a voice, the more involved the more a voice we have!! If anyone want anything specific answering please pm me on here and ill do my best to do so. Cheers Mike
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 24, 2014 22:51:05 GMT 1
I can't speak for anyone else on the sp but if I've said anything that's come across as knocking people's opinion I haven't meant to that's what the sp is about and why we formed it. Am I dissapointed...... Yes..... Because whilst I know we can't please everyone I still want to!! But I also know what has gone on behind the scenes what we have had to do to get here, timescales and where we would be if people like Rog,Glyn, Oli and the guys hadn't been involved. While some are dissapointed please please please rejoice the fact we have the loggerheads back, help the sp have a voice, the more involved the more a voice we have!! If anyone want anything specific answering please pm me on here and ill do my best to do so. Cheers Mike No apology necessary - quite rightly - you have not taken a swipe at people but explained your point of view. I've explained my point of view on the outcome - and the fans' vote is about the outcome - on page 2 of this thread. The outcome is mildly disappointing but fulfils the main aim of having the loggerheads returned to the shirt and therefore me and others returning to the club shop. My only other comment would be that some contributors to the thread suggest that there is some way in which the selected badge is a stop-gap. I'd like to think that will not be the case. I think this needs to be the end of the matter for the foreseeable future.
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Post by suttonshrew on Sept 24, 2014 23:17:29 GMT 1
Again only my opinion but....
The club won't waste money on a stop gap, this badge will no doubt be tweaked over the years or until a new owner decides they want a change but I'd expect the badge we choose to be in place for the foreseeable future.
The time scales make this difficult..... but missing the deadline isn't an option if we want the loggerheads back.
The badge we have to vote on is a mixture of what the club want and what we want. I'm not gullible enough to know this will please everyone but what I personally wanted was that those who boycotted the merchandise brought a shirt or a hat or a bloody beech towel, if this happens what we have achieved is a success as it's made the fan happy and also added to the revenue of the club, isn't that what a sp should be about??
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Post by MartinB on Sept 25, 2014 7:39:59 GMT 1
but what I personally wanted was that those who boycotted the merchandise brought a shirt or a hat or a bloody beech towel, if this happens what we have achieved is a success as it's made the fan happy and also added to the revenue of the club, Don't knock the beech towel. Can't wait to get mine ready for holiday in Malta in June.
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Post by atcham jack on Sept 25, 2014 11:08:52 GMT 1
we have the loggerheads back and a Floreat Salopia. rejoice. well done SP/Roland/Matt. wear the new badge with pride. much further down the line it can be refashioned, but rejoice the union jack is flying over South Geor. as you were rejoice.
by the by great offers on now at the club shop/s. scarves, kit,pens, beanie hats, legends club. grab a clippie whilst you can! club shop well worth a visit. do hope there is a loggerheads badge and t shirt/polo shirt done for Town v Chelsea with Blackpool, Leicester city and Norwich city on reverse. just a suggestion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 11:24:44 GMT 1
I'm not aware that you attended any of the meetings about the badge, if you did then I apologise, if not, then you missed your chance. This is everyone's badge so let's consult everyone properly One thing is for certain, Mortagehound. This new badge certainly won't be yours.You did everything you physically could to oppose the arrival of a new badge over a two year period. For you to steam in at this late stage and start critiquing the short-listed designs - and also deriding the hard work of the SP - is both undignified and predictable in equal measure. Your opinions would carry more weight had you assisted with the fight and shown passion for the club's identity. Instead, for many months you stood there sniping from the sidelines along with Fred in the Shed. You publicly disregarded the importance of our badge time and time again, and now you make suggestions on how the club should approach it. Which one is it? Every time you see the new badge (regardless of which design it is) on the club's shirt, programme, website or television you will remember the comments you made and the way you opposed change at every turn. And ultimately you will remember that you lost. Heckling the new designs and trying to sour this victory is realistically the only thing you have left to do. It needs to be remembered that all of the short-listed designs include the elements which many Town fans identify with. These are: the famous Loggerheads, the historic motto of Floreat Salopia and the club's year of foundation. For acknowledging the importance of these elements and including them across the board, the club deserve great credit. Had they done this in 2007, all of this hassle could have been avoided. Some fans have voiced issues with the aesthetic layout of the badge - which is fair enough and the designs were never going to please everybody - but surely no one can disagree that all of the designs are intended to reflect our club's history, heritage and identity. For that reason, it will always be a million times better than the standalone, irrelevant clip art badge which Mortgagehound loved so much. The Loggerheads are on their way back. Let the good times roll. Come On You Blues.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 11:38:47 GMT 1
Well said Geoff and I take my hat off to you for the spirit and effort you put in to getting us all to this momentous point!
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Post by markglasgow on Sept 27, 2014 16:17:24 GMT 1
The small band of folks who actively posted for the retention of the clip-art abomination won't be forgotten in a hurry.
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 27, 2014 16:52:17 GMT 1
This is everyone's badge so let's consult everyone properly One thing is for certain, Mortagehound. This new badge certainly won't be yours.You did everything you physically could to oppose the arrival of a new badge over a two year period. For you to steam in at this late stage and start critiquing the short-listed designs - and also deriding the hard work of the SP - is both undignified and predictable in equal measure. Your opinions would carry more weight had you assisted with the fight and shown passion for the club's identity. Instead, for many months you stood there sniping from the sidelines along with Fred in the Shed. You publicly disregarded the importance of our badge time and time again, and now you make suggestions on how the club should approach it. Which one is it? Every time you see the new badge (regardless of which design it is) on the club's shirt, programme, website or television you will remember the comments you made and the way you opposed change at every turn. And ultimately you will remember that you lost. Heckling the new designs and trying to sour this victory is realistically the only thing you have left to do. It needs to be remembered that all of the short-listed designs include the elements which many Town fans identify with. These are: the famous Loggerheads, the historic motto of Floreat Salopia and the club's year of foundation. For acknowledging the importance of these elements and including them across the board, the club deserve great credit. Had they done this in 2007, all of this hassle could have been avoided. Some fans have voiced issues with the aesthetic layout of the badge - which is fair enough and the designs were never going to please everybody - but surely no one can disagree that all of the designs are intended to reflect our club's history, heritage and identity. For that reason, it will always be a million times better than the standalone, irrelevant clip art badge which Mortgagehound loved so much. The Loggerheads are on their way back. Let the good times roll. Come On You Blues. Got to correct you "the design was never going to please everyone' I dont think there's one post on here criticising the work done in getting "our badge' back, perhaps some disappointed it's round, but acceptable reasons for that. The main questions are re the fact that each choice is the same badge with minor differences, then the fans are being given a vote so the club can say it was chosen by the fans, which is a bit of a joke. I don't think many care which of the similar badges are chosen so why bother with a vote especially when the time scale is so tight?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 9:25:09 GMT 1
Great effort from the crew. We are going to have a badge with the loggerheads, 1886 & floreat salopia. It would be nice to have a shield for the badge, but seriously not an issue for me. The importance to the club and the fans should be what is in the badge - the three items listed above that define our history.
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Post by poolieshrew on Sept 28, 2014 13:06:56 GMT 1
Firstly well done to all connected in bringing back the loggerheads, secondly this is one of the tougher spot the difference competitions I've entered in a long while, anyone have more than 6?...
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Oct 2, 2014 14:07:06 GMT 1
Just catching up with this. Some great posts, comments and challenges. I'm a great supporter of the Shield - 'Selwyn's Badge' (and therefore disappointed that it wont be returning). But so pleased that I will be wearing merchandise with Loggerheads, and 'Floreat Salopia', on them in the future! I would also accept that the choices are a tad similar but understand the rationale for doing this. But again I will be so pleased that I will be wearing merchandise with Loggerheads, and 'Floreat Salopia', on them in the future! The question I have asked myself is should we hold off deciding on new Loggerheads badge and then have Clippy for another two years (due to the new shirt cycle)? My concern goes back to events with Clippy. For me this badge has to be right. I don't want to change again in 8 years time. As I said back then 'if you have to change, do it for the right reasons and stick with it'. I changed my mind on Clippy. Will I change my mind on options A to D? No, because I will be wearing a merchandise with Loggerheads, and 'Floreat Salopia', on them in the future! Going to miss 'Selwyn's badge', but the one thing that didn't have was the 'Shrewsbury Town Football Club' wording on it. We did have a version that was used in the 60's/70's but never on the shirts. That would have been the closest thing to it. The boys are happy, so I'm happy. So basically guys get voting. And remember.. FOR THE 1ST TIME EVER SHREWSBURY TOWN FANS WILL GET DECIDE THE CLUBS BADGE YOU LUCKY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Uncle_Monkey on Oct 3, 2014 10:42:06 GMT 1
Well done to those that did the heavy lifting on this,a great breakthrough. Would prefer the shield back one day but understand the practical reasons for going with a round badge.
I voted for D. Anyone who voted for any of the other subtle variations must be a complete moron.
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