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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Sept 9, 2014 16:12:12 GMT 1
For the record the database is massive, over 20k I think. However it's full of people who might have got one ticket, basically everyone who's got a ticket since we had the new system. Comparison to that database was never a question. It was just to be used as a check to the people who responded to the survey.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 16:24:39 GMT 1
I hope the badge does get changed to the loggerheads; however, I wonder if the proposed costs of changing the badge on everything from shirts, training gear, front of the main stand, in the tunnel area, plates and cups, stationary is a factor? Would people be happy just to see a change of badge on the shirt and things you can buy in the club shop – or do you want it changed everywhere? Hi ipswichshrews. I am speaking on behalf of the campaign when saying we would welcome a phased change of badge. The immediate changes would amount to a rather small outlay - shirts, programmes, tickets etc would have to be changed at the end of this season anyway. Then, all the other aspects of change that you mention can be done as and when their natural shelf life expires - nothing you mention is a permanent feature that would never need replacing even if we kept clippy. That way, eventually, everything would be changed without a one-off outlay from the club. And, of course, the increased revenue from shirt sales with a loggerheads badge on would more than make up for the initial amount paid by the club. Any further queries, have a read on this link: bringbacktheloggerheads.co.uk/faqs/
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Post by ipswichshrews on Sept 9, 2014 16:33:12 GMT 1
I hope the badge does get changed to the loggerheads; however, I wonder if the proposed costs of changing the badge on everything from shirts, training gear, front of the main stand, in the tunnel area, plates and cups, stationary is a factor? Would people be happy just to see a change of badge on the shirt and things you can buy in the club shop – or do you want it changed everywhere? Hi ipswichshrews. I am speaking on behalf of the campaign when saying we would welcome a phased change of badge. The immediate changes would amount to a rather small outlay - shirts, programmes, tickets etc would have to be changed at the end of this season anyway. Then, all the other aspects of change that you mention can be done as and when their natural shelf life expires - nothing you mention is a permanent feature that would never need replacing even if we kept clippy. That way, eventually, everything would be changed without a one-off outlay from the club. And, of course, the increased revenue from shirt sales with a loggerheads badge on would more than make up for the initial amount paid by the club. Any further queries, have a read on this link: bringbacktheloggerheads.co.uk/faqs/that makes sense to have a staggered approach starting with the shirts. Cannot see the cost being a stumbling block then.
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Post by vanner on Sept 9, 2014 16:34:12 GMT 1
I suggest we all print this thread and each send a letter to Roland. Once per week, in true Shawshank fashion. It'll work!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 9, 2014 16:37:25 GMT 1
Biggest positive of the last decade = promotion = fans ask to change badge = biggest PR own goal in history
Biggest summer rebuild in the last decade = positivity = fans ask to change the badge = over to you RW?
Surely, and I mean surely, this must just be a rumour? I can't contemplate it being really true.
When I think of friends of mine like Mike and Glyn and others working hard to sort this out - the investment from people like Plim and Roger, if this does not happen it does not bear thinking about.
No, it can't be true. It must not be true. It really must not.
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Post by mattmw on Sept 9, 2014 16:38:38 GMT 1
I still see a few stewards with the old loggerheads badge on at the ground. Either they are die hard loggerheads campaigners or the roll out of the "new" badge hasn't quite happened yet
As Monty says the end of a season brings a number of opportunities to naturally replace the old logo, and aside for some important signage on the entrance to the club the rest could be phased as part of a natural cycle of replacement
Besides much of the clubs public face is electronic now such as twitter, Internet and Facebook where logos can be easily changed with little or no cost
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Post by Bring Back The Loggerheads on Sept 9, 2014 17:34:27 GMT 1
We are very concerned by these rumours.
Several people on this thread have missed the point entirely. This outcry isn’t about the Loggerheads per se, nor is it about club apologists and their watery ‘it’s only a badge innit’ commentary.
This is about a potential miscarriage of justice. Let’s remind ourselves of the facts: the Supporters’ Parliament were challenged by the club to prove a demand for a change of badge over 3 months ago. No minimum sample figure was ever given. A club official sat in on the first meeting and stated that the decision from a majority of voters would be definitive. He even said “if only 10 people vote, and 6 vote ‘YES’ – you win”. The Supporters’ Parliament went away and co-operated with the club’s orders at every turn. They received almost no support from the club in terms of publicity. They achieved a superb sample size relative to our home attendance, approximately 25%. This ‘not enough people voted’ stuff is dangerous, disingenuous and fundamentally incorrect. The result of the vote was unanimous, with 91.5% of voters wanting to change the clip art logo.
For the club (or, specifically, one man) to ignore the results of a fair, transparent and democratic vote would be a monumental mistake, and one which will never be forgotten.
Roland. We will not go quietly into the night. Please heed the results of the vote and restore the Loggerheads.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Sept 9, 2014 17:35:01 GMT 1
Fred stated from his meeting with RW, that he wishes to carry on "for another 2 or 3 years". A very, very reliable source, informs me that would break the record as Town's longest serving chairman. If he makes the mistake of trying to keep the comedy lion, it will also put him in the running as the most unpopular.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Sept 9, 2014 18:06:31 GMT 1
RW... What is the guy on?!?
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Post by atcham jack on Sept 9, 2014 18:11:43 GMT 1
this has to be a wind up. cannot believe a switched on canny commercial manager and business like Chairman objecting to a change in badge. it has to be a 3 loggerheads/leopards design and must include "Floreat Salopia" otherwise we are all p**sing against the wind. I totally agree with a gradual change beginning with the shirt, when with the right badge AJ will be in the online Queue.
slightly concerned about Town Council and copyright of Loggerheads badge, but I am sure Beverley Baker the mayor and council will be delighted to help.
should the Club ignore the vote, and I hope they won't. there will be CONSEQUENCES!
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Post by buryshrew on Sept 9, 2014 18:20:59 GMT 1
I refuse to believe the rumour. It would make the chairman look like an utterly disingenuous fool, whilst also making the MD look like a toothless puppet as no MD of any integrity or business nouse would accept such a decision. I look forward to positive news from the board.
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Post by atcham jack on Sept 9, 2014 18:26:15 GMT 1
just hope there will be no unfortunate resignations.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Sept 9, 2014 18:35:33 GMT 1
just hope there will be no unfortunate resignations. No, I can't see Bring back the loggerheads, Throbsblackhat, monty, buryshrew, mattmw or vanner, etc, resigning, and I'm not resigning either. I'm staying right here and fighting our corner.
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Post by Dan F on Sept 9, 2014 18:39:43 GMT 1
just hope there will be no unfortunate resignations. No, I can't see Bring back the loggerheads, Throbsblackhat, monty, buryshrew, mattmw or vanner, etc, resigning, and I'm not resigning either. I'm staying right here and fighting our corner. I might. I'm about due a board rest again... In fact, this rumour displeases me - I quit!
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Post by mattmw on Sept 9, 2014 19:04:57 GMT 1
this has to be a wind up. cannot believe a switched on canny commercial manager and business like Chairman objecting to a change in badge. it has to be a 3 loggerheads/leopards design and must include "Floreat Salopia" otherwise we are all p**sing against the wind. I totally agree with a gradual change beginning with the shirt, when with the right badge AJ will be in the online Queue. slightly concerned about Town Council and copyright of Loggerheads badge, but I am sure Beverley Baker the mayor and council will be delighted to help. should the Club ignore the vote, and I hope they won't. there will be CONSEQUENCES! Don't worry. The issue of copyright isn't a problem. Very easy to produce a loggerheads design which is can be copyrighted and not infringe the rights of other bodies that use a similar design Happens in other towns and cities most notably Liverpool where many groups use the liverbird as a symbol
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Post by TonyKellysBelly on Sept 9, 2014 19:31:35 GMT 1
From an SP perspective I can tell you all that we continue to have open dialogue with Matt Williams on the badge issue. There is lots of work going on regarding the next steps to change the current badge. It would be wrong of me to speculate any further at this stage however both Mike and I will continue to update everyone on progress as and when we can.
Roger
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 9, 2014 19:51:29 GMT 1
Very sad if this is true, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. Nevertheless, it's just a rumour and hopefully the board will be saying the opposite.
Hopefully the truth is that Roland has jumped out of his chair at the strength of the vote and demanded that Matt Williams gets the badge changed ready for the next game !
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Sept 9, 2014 20:08:21 GMT 1
Already been addressed above by SheffieldShrew. Next? next what ? Next argument that's already been addressed.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Sept 9, 2014 20:28:21 GMT 1
Anyone have Matt Williams email address?
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Post by vanner on Sept 9, 2014 20:40:34 GMT 1
Anyone have Matt Williams email address? A thread on here suggested it was: matt.williams@shrewsburytown.co.uk
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Post by WATR on Sept 9, 2014 20:42:16 GMT 1
Anyone have Matt Williams email address? matt.williams@shrewsburytown.co.uk
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Post by atcham jack on Sept 9, 2014 21:01:26 GMT 1
It will be in the Club's interest to quash this rumour asapr. we have an important away game at Stevo. which should take precedence over everything. besides who started this damn fool rumour, AJ is posting a cheque tomorrow for his Padded cell behind Roland! on 11.10.14. Gee I am looking forward to a 3 day break in Salop and Ludlow. my 1st real break since last October!
Come on you Shrews! 3 loggerheads and a Floreat Salopia!. right Roland repeat after me 3 Loggerheads etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 21:15:13 GMT 1
From an SP perspective I can tell you all that we continue to have open dialogue with Matt Williams on the badge issue. There is lots of work going on regarding the next steps to change the current badge. It would be wrong of me to speculate any further at this stage however both Mike and I will continue to update everyone on progress as and when we can. Roger Roger having read the Bring Back the Loggerheads statement on Facebook, and bearing in mid this is generated from a rumour surely the open dialogue is a contradiction? Have you heard evidence that suggest jamo's rumour has credance?
If not, the statement on FB will do no more than get the clubs back up and could be a backward step. I think the need to keep stump and leave it with MW until a response has been given by the club. Threats will get the SP nowhere and not advisable when a decision is not known and will only damage it's credibility and relations with the club and MW!
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Sept 9, 2014 22:34:37 GMT 1
Have you heard evidence that suggest jamo's rumour has credance? It's worth pointing out that I'd heard this from a few places before Jamo posted it on here, and I'd suggest there's a good chance others have too. The reaction isn't based solely on Jamo (which isn't to do him down at all, he's got an excellent record.)
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Post by colaboy on Sept 9, 2014 23:02:03 GMT 1
3 pages based on a rumour that seemingly has no substance whatsoever. Wow!
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Post by thesensationaljt on Sept 9, 2014 23:04:23 GMT 1
Have you heard evidence that suggest jamo's rumour has credance? The reaction isn't based solely on Jamo (which isn't to do him down at all, he's got an excellent record.) He certainly has, but if he's correct, the chairman has underestimated the loggerheads campaign big time.
Nowt against jamo, but I hope he's wrong on this occasion.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Sept 9, 2014 23:08:14 GMT 1
3 pages based on a rumour that seemingly has no substance whatsoever. Wow! Shows the passion some of us have for the reinstatement of our identity.
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Post by townfanincrewe on Sept 9, 2014 23:10:56 GMT 1
The club could make you all look very foolish if they announce tomorrow that the badge is going to change and one or to troublemakers started this sorry about the vote being ignored. To say some one herd a rummer is one thing but I don't think statements on face book help they may just get the clubs back up.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Sept 9, 2014 23:13:52 GMT 1
The club could make you all look very foolish if they announce tomorrow that the badge is going to change and one or to troublemakers started this sorry about the vote being ignored. To say some one herd a rummer is one thing but I don't think statements on face book help they may just get the clubs back up. Well tough titty, RW shouldn't have unilaterally imposed the comedy lion on us in the first place.
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Post by siabod on Sept 9, 2014 23:57:26 GMT 1
What the chairman and board decide is good enough for me. As long as we see the players do well on the pitch does it really matter what badge is on the shirt? In Roland we trust was a phrase used a lot when we were making so many signings prior to the start of the season.Nothing has changed in my eyes. For the millionth time. Players come and go, most of them we can’t even remember. Results fluctuate. The only constant at this football Club is us and our identity, heritage and history. A badge that reflects that is important. Not saying the badge does not want changing but if it is part of our history, identity and heritage why is there no protest about the change to the shirt colours ?
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