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Post by jamo on Sept 9, 2014 8:32:35 GMT 1
is that the hated Clippy is to live on.
Club officials meet this afternoon to discuss the recent supporters poll and the indications are that the result will be ignored and that the club will persist with an identity lifted off the internet.
BRING BACK THE LOGGERHEADS.
FLOREAT SALOPIA
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Post by timgallon on Sept 9, 2014 8:45:41 GMT 1
Early April Fools surely?
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 9, 2014 8:51:08 GMT 1
If this proves to be the case then just all do what I intend to do and wear the loggerheads until the garments collapse through overuse!!!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 9, 2014 9:04:50 GMT 1
That can't possibly be true.
They might keep clippy as the badge of the sovereign club or something like that. That would help to explain the plates.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 9:15:59 GMT 1
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Sept 9, 2014 9:29:13 GMT 1
There are a lot of rumours doing the rounds, and as part of the SP and someone who worked so hard to get this vote done and off the ground, I would be livid if the chairman (board?) say no now. I would find it hard to see how the SP would even continue. How could it?
Will we here from the other member of the board in this? James Hughes this is your time to show some teeth and advise steer the chairman to a path that does not open up a very negative approach to the club fan interaction and likely vocal anti chairman chants,articles and comments. Possibly worse than after relegation.
For me, as a personal view, if it's RW that turns this down, I would move from the camp that thinks he's good for this club and appreciating all the work he's done in taking us forward to the camp that what's him gone,
Everyone will have there own view but that's how I feel.
Very worries about this, and have moved from being very confident last week.
Only rumours though but you wonder in a town this small.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 9:46:29 GMT 1
I would be outraged. Such a clear expression of what the fans want couldn't (shouldn't) possibly be ignored by anyone who cares about the fans.
Thing is, realistically I'm not sure what I / we could do about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 9:51:28 GMT 1
Ok Folks who will win this one.........................
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Post by shrewinjapan on Sept 9, 2014 10:08:59 GMT 1
Fear that they might say that, despite the overwhelming majority in favour of change, the relatively low number that voted suggests most Town fans are not interested in changing the badge.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 10:13:21 GMT 1
Fear that they might say that, despite the overwhelming majority in favour of change, the relatively low number that voted suggests most Town fans are not interested in changing the badge. Works both ways though SIJ.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 9, 2014 10:15:00 GMT 1
Ok Folks who will win this one......................... We definitely need to wait and see, that is for sure. There could be a lot of ranting and raving going on about nothing. RW is staring down the barrel of a gun when it comes to support engagement, both now and in the future. Only he can pull the trigger. No point in us doing it before he has had his say.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 10:21:27 GMT 1
IF, IF this is true, then it would be the biggest mistake of Roland Wycherley's tenure.
Believe me, he will not like the reaction if he chooses to ignore the vote.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Sept 9, 2014 10:29:05 GMT 1
Fear that they might say that, despite the overwhelming majority in favour of change, the relatively low number that voted suggests most Town fans are not interested in changing the badge. Works both ways though SIJ. Not sure it does. I think you would have a hard job arguing the opposite (i.e. that those who didn't vote don't want the badge kept). Far more likely apathy, which they would possibly argue means there is little reason for change. Wrong, in my opinion, as even if 1000 want change and 5000 don't care either way, that justifies change. But that is what I fear would be the chairman's thinking.
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Post by mattmw on Sept 9, 2014 10:41:27 GMT 1
Do take the point about the survey having 1000 vote out of a potential 5000 supporter base. But against that I'd argue the club did little or nothing to promote the vote and canvass fans themselves so they have only themselves to blame for that. Poll was open for weeks if they didn't like it that was the time to say something
The other point I'd make is that the 1000 or so who did vote, and particularly those behind the campaign are the die hard fans who the club needs to run things like the supporters clubs, SP, and other fundraisers the club needs
p**s them off by ignoring their work and it will take years to win that goodwill back.
Ignoring the poll and sticking with clippy would be a sign for me it's time for the chairman to go and let someone who knows how to take the club forward take over
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 10:42:29 GMT 1
Ignoring the poll and sticking with clippy would be a sign for me it's time for the chairman to go and let someone who knows how to take the club forward take over Spot on
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Post by RBA on Sept 9, 2014 10:43:17 GMT 1
An early statement would be helpful! If the PR really is improving we should expect one soon Being honest the badge is not my greatest concern but to encourage a vote which turns out to be so conclusive and then to ignore it would be a massive self inflicted wound
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Post by shrewinjapan on Sept 9, 2014 10:50:13 GMT 1
Do take the point about the survey having 1000 vote out of a potential 5000 supporter base. But against that I'd argue the club did little or nothing to promote the vote and canvass fans themselves so they have only themselves to blame for that. Poll was open for weeks if they didn't like it that was the time to say something The other point I'd make is that the 1000 or so who did vote, and particularly those behind the campaign are the die hard fans who the club needs to run things like the supporters clubs, SP, and other fundraisers the club needs p**s them off by ignoring their work and it will take years to win that goodwill back. Ignoring the poll and sticking with clippy would be a sign for me it's time for the chairman to go and let someone who knows how to take the club forward take over Exactly, good post.
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 9, 2014 11:05:16 GMT 1
When we was allowed the vote I thought it was only to keep us sweet after the s**t we had to put up with over the last few seasons and that it would be years before we see a change in badge.
My opinion hasn't changed but now we have proof 1000 fans want change then I can see people getting very angry and undervalued.
Be careful Roland you could undo all you good work with the decision you make.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Sept 9, 2014 11:08:55 GMT 1
Have heard similar from a number of different sources, which leads me to believe there’s truth in it.
Would be an utterly baffling move from Wycherley if true; why bother creating the SP and canvassing the vote, to then ignore such an overwhelming majority? A real kick in the teeth to all involved, and a move he’ll surely regret in the long term.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 9, 2014 11:30:38 GMT 1
So meeting this afternoon so I guess we should know something by the end of the week. I guess whatever decision they'll take a bit of time to put the announcement together. Let's see anyhows. Fingers crossed.
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Post by shrewforever on Sept 9, 2014 11:32:52 GMT 1
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if true buts lets wait and see..........
On a sad aside I get the impression that Matt Williams is finding out just how difficult, if not impossible it is to work with/for RW...
As too many of us have been saying for far too long "its RW's way or not at all".....
Personally I for one would hate to see MW next into the "Revolving Door"
I know he's not liked by a few for his "style of play" but in my mind he and MM are the best things to have happened to STFC in years.
Enough said for now......all speculation.......just hope I'm wrong on the badge and the MW situation..........
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Post by suttonshrew on Sept 9, 2014 11:36:52 GMT 1
At this point we have heard nothing back as yet. I'm aware of the rumours but lets give the club time to respond. We have worked with Martin and Matt closely on this and both have supported our stance and the way we have gone about doing things. Please don't jump the gun until we have an official response.
Cheers
Mike
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Post by markglasgow on Sept 9, 2014 11:38:34 GMT 1
And in one fell swoop the chairman manages to undo his good work over the summer to repair his obviously very important reputation and image.
It was correct the fans should be asked their opinions on such a fiercely debated topic. The result was of no surprise to anyone of course. To ignore the landslide of opinion AFTER asking the fans to have their say is frankly the most embarrassing thing I've heard come from STFC in a while. Just as we thought we were getting our act together.
Luckily for RW this didn't come to light before Saturday. No way would he have been able to sit among the fans as he did at Hartlepool.
It appears that RW will sign off his reign at the club as being viewed as being stubborn and unpopular.
This ain't over by a long chalk.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Sept 9, 2014 11:44:41 GMT 1
And in one fell swoop the chairman manages to undo his good work over the summer to repair his obviously very important reputation and image. It was correct the fans should be asked their opinions on such a fiercely debated topic. The result was of no surprise to anyone of course. To ignore the landslide of opinion AFTER asking the fans to have their say is frankly the most embarrassing thing I've heard come from STFC in a while. Just as we thought we were getting our act together. Luckily for RW this didn't come to light before Saturday. No way would he have been able to sit among the fans as he did at Hartlepool. It appears that RW will sign off his reign at the club as being viewed as being stubborn and unpopular. This ain't over by a long chalk. Calm down mate. As others have said, this is just rumour and speculation as yet. Hold off blowing your top until it's official
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Post by markglasgow on Sept 9, 2014 12:03:35 GMT 1
And in one fell swoop the chairman manages to undo his good work over the summer to repair his obviously very important reputation and image. It was correct the fans should be asked their opinions on such a fiercely debated topic. The result was of no surprise to anyone of course. To ignore the landslide of opinion AFTER asking the fans to have their say is frankly the most embarrassing thing I've heard come from STFC in a while. Just as we thought we were getting our act together. Luckily for RW this didn't come to light before Saturday. No way would he have been able to sit among the fans as he did at Hartlepool. It appears that RW will sign off his reign at the club as being viewed as being stubborn and unpopular. This ain't over by a long chalk. Calm down mate. As others have said, this is just rumour and speculation as yet. Hold off blowing your top until it's official On the contrary SJ. Vital we kick off before anything is rubber stamped. I'm sure these rumours have substance therefore it's only correct that the club are aware of the level of feeling that this disastrous decision will have. No way can we sit on our hands for this one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 12:10:24 GMT 1
Really hope this is proven wrong, obviously because I want to see the end of clippy but secondly because there has been a shift over the past few months and there has been more of a togetherness between fans and the club which will go out of the window. If (and we of course must stress IF) Roland goes down this route then it would come across as that he holds the fans in such contempt where he thinks he can win us back easily when things are going wrong and we will then forget about it because we have a little bit of success on the field.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 12:20:10 GMT 1
Good to hear it's being discussed this afternoon.
Let's refrain from views until we hear what the board have to say.
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Post by lenny on Sept 9, 2014 12:34:12 GMT 1
Good to hear it's being discussed this afternoon. Let's refrain from views until we hear what the board have to say. Or at the very least keep them hypothetical and prefaced by the magical "if"!
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Sept 9, 2014 12:38:08 GMT 1
At this point we have heard nothing back as yet. I'm aware of the rumours but lets give the club time to respond. We have worked with Martin and Matt closely on this and both have supported our stance and the way we have gone about doing things. Please don't jump the gun until we have an official response. Cheers Mike Agree with Mike. Let's get an official response. Then respond to it.
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Post by WATR on Sept 9, 2014 12:41:58 GMT 1
It would be an absolutely suicidal move by Roland if he chose to ignore the results of this survey. A few points: - The survey was initially carried out with his blessing. Why carry out a survey if the intention all along was to ignore it if the result wasn't what you wanted?
- Many people have put a lot of hard work into the survey. Promoting it, cutting out slips, moderating the online survey, standing at turnstiles, handing slips out at Powerleague before games etc over the course of nearly three months. You will have wasted the time of some very busy people, Roland.
- Contrast this with the club - aside from two website articles - they have done nothing to promote the survey, despite reminders from the SP that they need to do so. If Roland thinks not enough votes have been cast, there's his answer.
- The vote was sold to the SP as being definitive. Over 50% YES and we get a new badge. No mention of a minimum number, only an unofficial target of around 1200, which was pretty much achieved anyway. If there was a minimum number needed, Roland was the only person who knew it.
- The results could hardly be any more conclusive (92% wanting change). You couldn't even fill two OSC coaches with the number of people who voted no. Suppose 1000 more people had voted, and 90% of them voted no, we would still have a YES majority overall!
- Every year Roland sticks with the clip-art, he is sacrificing potential revenue from official merchandise, purely out of stubbornness.
- What exactly is the point of hiring somebody as good at their job as Matt Williams and not allowing him to do it properly?
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