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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 9:37:36 GMT 1
Felt sorry for Bradshaw yesterday. Trying to battle against 6 foot plus tall defenders to win headers is never going to happen. That isn't his fault. But that what he's going to find every week, 6'plus hairy assed defenders that will kick seven bells out of him to defend their goal. If you're saying that its no good putting the ball in the air for him, fair enough, but from what i have seen he does'nt do too much with the ball at his feet. I'm not going to destroy him as a player on here, but do think that he has had chances and has not shown he can make it as a league 1 forward, or League 2 for that matter. Same with Jones, who i think is o.k. Mkandawire is the problem for me, but we all see things differently. Leslie, Richards, Wright, Bradshaw.... it seems we all need a scape-goat, after Bradshaw i wonder who it will be. The brighter side of the coin is that we have Asante to come back soon, playing with Burke and eventually a fit Marsden, but we need another forward NOW, before we find ourselves adrift at the wrong end of the table. Adding to that we are short staffed all round, not just G.T'S fault but due to untimely injuries. I still believe Taylor is not fully fit, or Jones, but we continue to play them because we have bugger all else. Hard times ahead methinks, and another season of fighting relegation.
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Post by franthetownfan on Aug 11, 2013 9:48:52 GMT 1
My point is I did not go and therefore saw about as much as Bradshaw as people who went to the game. I thought gt still had the Hereford lot on his car.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 11, 2013 9:58:58 GMT 1
As I said on another thread. Sure Bradshaw is doing his best. No need to have a pop at him. It's Turner that should be taking any flack. It's Turner who is picking him, it's Turner who hasn't managed to bring anyone in who can do a better job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 9:59:19 GMT 1
Bradshaw has not scored a goal that mattered in 2 years. This partner stuff means nothing really as we must judge his performance. He is clearly not up to it as is Jones. We need a target man to partner Burke/Marsden. It seems pretty clear the lad is not up to it. At what other football league club would he be playing? I realise you're more of a Salop follower than a Salop fan but you're barking up the wrong tree if you're unleashing your venom at Jonesy. p**s off Im a Shrewsbury Town Football Club Fan. Having not seen you post much in a while but if my memory serves me right your just a boring arse who post snide comments all day long. Every game you see Jones put in an acceptable performance he is on the very edge of his ability. Not good enough.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Aug 11, 2013 10:27:25 GMT 1
As I said on another thread. Sure Bradshaw is doing his best. No need to have a pop at him. It's Turner that should be taking any flack. It's Turner who is picking him, it's Turner who hasn't managed to bring anyone in who can do a better job. A valid and logical point as long as Bradshaw puts 100% in then we should not be having a moan at him. I have a feeling more will see things this way as the season progresses should things continue as they are.
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Post by heavyglow on Aug 11, 2013 10:33:57 GMT 1
I realise you're more of a Salop follower than a Salop fan but you're barking up the wrong tree if you're unleashing your venom at Jonesy. p**s off Im a Shrewsbury Town Football Club Fan. Having not seen you post much in a while but if my memory serves me right your just a boring arse who post snide comments all day long. Every game you see Jones put in an acceptable performance he is on the very edge of his ability. Not good enough. Your memory is correct for once. I'd stick to the day job(?) though mate, your appraisals of footballing ability are notoriously poor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 10:43:04 GMT 1
p**s off Im a Shrewsbury Town Football Club Fan. Having not seen you post much in a while but if my memory serves me right your just a boring arse who post snide comments all day long. Every game you see Jones put in an acceptable performance he is on the very edge of his ability. Not good enough. I'd stick to the day job(?) though mate Getting D's at A-level isn't a job, last time I checked...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 13:00:19 GMT 1
I'd stick to the day job(?) though mate Getting D's at A-level isn't a job, last time I checked... Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Ill do better than that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 13:23:04 GMT 1
Bradshaw has gained greater upper body mass but has actually learned very little about moving into scoring positions. I am continually frustrated by his attempts to shield the ball without moving to a position were the defender is not up his arse. Generally the defender quite easily gets in front of him. He had one decent run yesterday and most of that was by good luck rather than by good management. It was brought to an end by a foul and a resultant booking for the Orient defender. Er...and that's the sum total of any real involvement in the match.
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Post by topo on Aug 11, 2013 15:06:53 GMT 1
I don't think any of these posts are specifically targeted at Bradshaw, I think that most are out of frustration that Turner doesn't get it. We are in League 1 and need strikers who can cope with this level of football . Turner says the bookies have it wrong, I will leave it for you all to decide who's right.
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Post by shrewdshrewssupporter on Aug 11, 2013 23:39:32 GMT 1
Personally I think if Bradshaw gets at least half a season on loan at a league 2 It will do him no end of good-problem is that we don't have enough depth to let him on loan. Turner needs to get more of a squad or we won't be able to loan players that need to develop but aren't up to league 1 standards
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Aug 12, 2013 10:08:41 GMT 1
The year we went up, for whatever reason saw a reduction in the number of subs from 7 to 5 and that killed Bradshaw. Whereas beforehand he was a regular substitute who could make an impact and score the odd goal, now he didn't even have the chance to do that. 28 games the season beforehand, 8 that season.
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Post by atcham jack on Aug 12, 2013 10:20:31 GMT 1
have we actually got anyone in the squad who is capable of playing league 1 football? how much longer has turner got? end of September? will town have 18 points by Christmas?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 11:27:14 GMT 1
have we actually got anyone in the squad who is capable of playing league 1 football? how much longer has turner got? end of September? will town have 18 points by Christmas? AJ most unlike you owd lad. Whats up . Keep the faith , we will be o.k If you start being so pessimistic fans will start having doubts . As you say Floreat Salopia , onwards and upwards .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 11:34:44 GMT 1
Good post Matron. Personally I don't rate Bradshaw, I don't think he should have been given a contract and I certainly don't think he should be our leading striker at the start of the season However the focus on him so early on from our fans has been ridiculous, I actually fear for the lad in the next game because if he makes one or two early mistakes then the crowd will jump on him which will just make it worse. If we had any other options he should be taken out if the firing line and shipped off on loan to hopefully build his confidence. That pretty much sums it up for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 11:43:02 GMT 1
Good post Matron. Personally I don't rate Bradshaw, I don't think he should have been given a contract and I certainly don't think he should be our leading striker at the start of the season However the focus on him so early on from our fans has been ridiculous, I actually fear for the lad in the next game because if he makes one or two early mistakes then the crowd will jump on him which will just make it worse. If we had any other options he should be taken out if the firing line and shipped off on loan to hopefully build his confidence. After all the anger and the frustration has built up following Saturday's defeat, a lot of in aimed at Bradshaw, i think that this post see's it as it is. Good post P.S.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 12:05:35 GMT 1
Its the Matt Richards scenario all over again. People were furious at him being played out of position and kept complaining that he wasnt a winger, but its GT that should have been criticised not him. Similarly as long as Tom gives 100% its not him that we should be aiming frustrations at but GT for playing someone who looks out of their depth
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 12:11:15 GMT 1
Its the Matt Richards scenario all over again. People were furious at him being played out of position and kept complaining that he wasnt a winger, but its GT that should have been criticised not him. Similarly as long as Tom gives 100% its not him that we should be aiming frustrations at but GT for playing someone who looks out of their depth I don't think it's the same scenario: Bradshaw isn't being played out of position and because of injuries, GT has little choice but to play him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 12:19:19 GMT 1
Its the Matt Richards scenario all over again. People were furious at him being played out of position and kept complaining that he wasnt a winger, but its GT that should have been criticised not him. Similarly as long as Tom gives 100% its not him that we should be aiming frustrations at but GT for playing someone who looks out of their depth I don't think it's the same scenario: Bradshaw isn't being played out of position and because of injuries, GT has little choice but to play him. Fair point on the out of position so not a fair comparison. Not so sure about the injuries though, at the start of the season our three strikers were Bradshaw, Marsden & Asante which I believe makes Bradshaw our most experienced striker in terms of senior appearances so chances are he would start if all three were fit. People are frustrated that GT has not brought in a striker to replace Collins and Bradshaw is getting some of that frustration in my opinion. But it is GT that had put us in that position by failing to bring in a replacement for Collins and then Morgan
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 12:29:31 GMT 1
I don't think it's the same scenario: Bradshaw isn't being played out of position and because of injuries, GT has little choice but to play him. Fair point on the out of position so not a fair comparison. Not so sure about the injuries though, at the start of the season our three strikers were Bradshaw, Marsden & Asante which I believe makes Bradshaw our most experienced striker in terms of senior appearances so chances are he would start if all three were fit. People are frustrated that GT has not brought in a striker to replace Collins and Bradshaw is getting some of that frustration in my opinion. But it is GT that had put us in that position by failing to bring in a replacement for Collins and then Morgan I am pretty certain experience would have had little to do with the decision as to who would have played in the 1st game: all 3 had done well in pre season so it could have been any combination if Asante had been fit. Mentioning Collins, he too had plenty of criticism when he first came here and Morgan likewise. Bradshaw will be very happy he's playing in a few consecutive games... like you I am not his greatest fan, but I have seen improvements but like all strikers he needs to score very soon
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 12:34:02 GMT 1
If Bradshaw gets a couple against Swindon then the fuss will be over amongst most of our fickle fans
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 13:04:39 GMT 1
If Bradshaw gets a couple against Swindon then the fuss will be over amongst most of our fickle fans IF
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 17:08:58 GMT 1
Its the Matt Richards scenario all over again. People were furious at him being played out of position and kept complaining that he wasnt a winger, but its GT that should have been criticised not him. Similarly as long as Tom gives 100% its not him that we should be aiming frustrations at but GT for playing someone who looks out of their depth So... its not Bradshaws fault he is not good enough? What nonsense. The lad just does not have it. To be his size he needs to be like Fowler and work the box or be A) Very Quick B) Pretty skillful. Bradshaw does not work the area nearly enough. He is not lightning quick. The lad just is not good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 17:16:21 GMT 1
Its the Matt Richards scenario all over again. People were furious at him being played out of position and kept complaining that he wasnt a winger, but its GT that should have been criticised not him. Similarly as long as Tom gives 100% its not him that we should be aiming frustrations at but GT for playing someone who looks out of their depth So... its not Bradshaws fault he is not good enough? What nonsense. The lad just does not have it. To be his size he needs to be like Fowler and work the box or be A) Very Quick B) Pretty skillful. Bradshaw does not work the area nearly enough. He is not lightning quick. The lad just is not good enough. Do you just want him to make magic up some ability?? How's it his fault that he isn't good enough but getting picked?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 17:50:52 GMT 1
So being incompetance is an excuse in your job. Does your boss get the blame if you mess up in your job?
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Post by lenny on Aug 12, 2013 18:10:30 GMT 1
So being incompetance is an excuse in your job. Does your boss get the blame if you mess up in your job? His ability - or lack of it - is not his fault. He is a hard working guy who wants to succeed, what is he supposed to do if offered a contract? Say "nah, don't think I've earned it gaffer"? Obviously not, Turner offered him a contract and hasn't brought in a sufficient number of strikers, leading to Bradshaw, a player who was probably signed on as a 4th choice centre forward for this season, cheap and with potential to improve, starting the season as our first choice striker. Your analogy is flawed; a better one would be a boss asking a trainee, not qualified or able to do the job properly yet, to do a vital job for the company. Is it the employee's fault?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 18:11:52 GMT 1
So being incompetance is an excuse in your job. Does your boss get the blame if you mess up in your job? To use your workplace analogy, if I wasn't performing to the expected standard I would be put under some sort of performance management and if I didn't improve I'd be let go. Basically it wouldn't be left for me to continue in the hope it improves. And yes if I continued to perform at a standard not good enough then questions would be asked of my manager as to why they allowed it to happen.
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Post by markglasgow on Aug 12, 2013 18:31:17 GMT 1
We don't need a 'boo boy' this season, think we have him already........ Why should we 'need' one at all?
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Post by WindsorShrew on Aug 12, 2013 19:15:34 GMT 1
So being incompetance is an excuse in your job. Does your boss get the blame if you mess up in your job? Fair play mate you had me laughing with that statement with regard to Bradshaw. One things for sure there's more chance of Tommy boy scoring a hat trick than you understanding the complexities of this situation. Keep them coming mate.
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Post by buryshrew on Aug 12, 2013 19:20:31 GMT 1
So being incompetance is an excuse in your job. Does your boss get the blame if you mess up in your job? If a manager in any business asks a junior staff member to do a more senior role, because he hasn't employed a suitable person to fill that role, then yes, when the junior member f*cks up, it is indeed the fault of the manager. By the way, it's 'incompetent', not 'incompetance' that you're looking for. Was that an ironic error?
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