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Post by elmundo on Oct 12, 2011 10:04:05 GMT 1
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Post by ragnvaldr on Oct 12, 2011 10:13:02 GMT 1
I saw the caravans on Monday night wondered what it was all about, must be reasonably well off too by the looks. How can these people survive for food without money? Where do they get there money? Hence they must be well off IMO.
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Oct 12, 2011 10:14:23 GMT 1
Been past several times on Old Potts Way and they seem a quiet lot, quite rare to actually see them out of their caravans. Maybe they're a better class of pikey?
Certainly can afford some decent cars though, newish looking X5 with massive alloys was one of them. I suppose paying no tax and dealing only in cash pays off.
Did wonder how they got into the main car park though, presumably they didn't cause any damage as no mention of it.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Oct 12, 2011 10:18:45 GMT 1
Sounds more like they are on Holiday to me?
Don't sound like g***s?
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Post by Dancin on Oct 12, 2011 12:53:45 GMT 1
Surprised the local travelling community (Sorry, pikeys) haven't moved them on themselves, treading on their patch etc?
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Post by filmcrewshrew on Oct 12, 2011 13:06:02 GMT 1
If your not a homebird then not a bad way of life, the government rape of taxes isn't going to be a problem, low heating costs, getting to travel. Depends on the class of people i suppose, these lot seem clean, quiet, polite some of the scum I've witnessed over the years would put you off them something rotten I would be most miffed, however, if they haven't had to pay parking fee's whilst on there, why should they be exempt
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Post by venceremos on Oct 12, 2011 13:19:38 GMT 1
They're not going to be there long and don't seem to be causing any mess or disturbance. If that's the case, good luck to them and I'm sure a few businesses in the area will have welcomed their spending. Unless it's illegal it's none of our business where their money comes from.
I'd view it as a positive that they liked the town enough to want to stay a while
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Oct 12, 2011 13:50:51 GMT 1
Are they selling onions?
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Post by kuliloach on Oct 12, 2011 14:11:41 GMT 1
Sounds more like they are on Holiday to me? Don't sound like g***s? Nice bit of socially acceptable racism there.
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Post by alex1993 on Oct 12, 2011 14:21:32 GMT 1
if they're round long enough they can come to support the town against accy
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 12, 2011 19:59:41 GMT 1
Saw 2 large caravans one being towed by said X5 on Friday about 2 at Emstry Island and actually thought about the stadium car park being vunerable to occupation by travellers and what we could do if they did? Perhaps that why signs for the stadium take them down London road, a lucky escape or a clever plan
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 12, 2011 20:08:55 GMT 1
Saw 2 large caravans one being towed by said X5 on Friday about 2 at Emstry Island and actually thought about the stadium car park being vunerable to occupation by travellers and what we could do if they did? Perhaps that why signs for the stadium take them down London road, a lucky escape or a clever plan would not be a smart plan with 5000 town fans against you being there
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Oct 12, 2011 22:11:57 GMT 1
Saw 2 large caravans one being towed by said X5 on Friday about 2 at Emstry Island and actually thought about the stadium car park being vunerable to occupation by travellers and what we could do if they did? Perhaps that why signs for the stadium take them down London road, a lucky escape or a clever plan Might sound daft, but a ploy some farmers etc use when pikeys roll up on their land is to block them in. By their nature the traveller types can't stand being forced into one area and also means they can't get out to do their salt of the earth romany charitable deeds such as tarmaccing a pensioners drive for £10k or helpfully removing some of the railways/sub-power stations copper cable or popping in to HMRC to pay their dues.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 9:29:01 GMT 1
What a pity it is to continually see the likes of Kuliloach bending over backwards (or should that be forwards?) to take offence on behalf of others.
Get a life, son.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 13, 2011 10:11:08 GMT 1
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Post by thesalmon on Oct 13, 2011 10:47:10 GMT 1
I work in the pharmacy is ASDA every week and they were caught stealing more than several times.
no offence to them but they act out side of the law in every way possible
when law fails them eg current case in the new about eviction, then they say they will use direct action to physically resist. so they pick and choose the law when suits them?
in my opinion they have a way of life which is up to them.. their choice completely. but however they should have designated areas of the county where they should be ... and only move around to said areas.
I hate all the political crap on this board and if it was up to me it would be purley football and Shrewsbury Town based. May be should habve a football only thread and a political nonsense thread where people can slag off each other views
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Post by dick on Oct 13, 2011 11:17:52 GMT 1
I would strongly advise anyone based in the locality to secure doors / yards / sheds over the next 48 hours.
I remember the very same bunch when they last visited the town (5 years back?)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 12:39:27 GMT 1
They're not going to be there long and don't seem to be causing any mess or disturbance. If that's the case, good luck to them and I'm sure a few businesses in the area will have welcomed their spending. Unless it's illegal it's none of our business where their money comes from. I'd view it as a positive that they liked the town enough to want to stay a while Yep, good to have tourists coming to the town but surely they should be set up in a caravan site? If they are simply over here to have a little stay and enjoy our town then shouldnt they be doing what over tourists do and stop in the usual places (hotels, b&b's, caravan sites), rather than just simply stop wherever the hell they want.
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Post by kuffdam72 on Oct 13, 2011 13:10:02 GMT 1
Round them up and build a bonfire , they get away with bloody murder .
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Post by venceremos on Oct 13, 2011 13:13:53 GMT 1
What a pity it is to continually see the likes of Kuliloach bending over backwards (or should that be forwards?) to take offence on behalf of others. Get a life, son. Ooer missus, it's Carry on Crippen - two stereotypes for the price of one. Bargain!
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Post by kuliloach on Oct 13, 2011 13:20:59 GMT 1
Nice bit of socially acceptable racism there. How exactly is it racism? Are the gypsies suddenly a race? Looking forward to hearing your (clearly informed) views on the subject. Hello young man. No, it's not been sudden, they have been a race for rather a long time. It is not a lot different to describing an Indian person as a 'paki'. Not only is it incorrect, it is using an offensive term that is used to discriminate a group of people based on their race. I am not sure how this can be deemed as anything other than racist but I look forward to you enlightening me on the subject.
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Post by jonbond on Oct 13, 2011 14:10:22 GMT 1
Will they be paying parking tickets while they are there. Think its £3.50 a day
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 13, 2011 15:46:52 GMT 1
Incorrect - the Romani people are an ethnic grouping brought together because of cultural similarities or a shared sense of religion. No, the Romany people are a racial group who migrated from India about 700-800 years ago. You don't become Romany, you are born with Romany blood, which is why many have darker skin than your average european.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 13, 2011 15:58:16 GMT 1
No, it's not been sudden, they have been a race for rather a long time. It is not a lot different to describing an Indian person as a 'paki'. Not only is it incorrect, it is using an offensive term that is used to discriminate a group of people based on their race. You misunderstand my point. Factually speaking, travellers are not a 'race' but in fact a social grouping and as a result any discrimination cannot be labelled as 'racism'. I hope you feel more enlightened and can now refrain from using the word 'racism' in an incorrect context. "Travellers" may be a social group but you referred to "gypsies" originally and, as others have pointed out, they're not a social grouping but a race or ethnicity. There's nothing enlightening about moving the goalposts.
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Post by kuliloach on Oct 13, 2011 18:12:02 GMT 1
No, it's not been sudden, they have been a race for rather a long time. It is not a lot different to describing an Indian person as a 'paki'. Not only is it incorrect, it is using an offensive term that is used to discriminate a group of people based on their race. You misunderstand my point. Factually speaking, travellers are not a 'race' but in fact a social grouping and as a result any discrimination cannot be labelled as 'racism'. I hope you feel more enlightened and can now refrain from using the word 'racism' in an incorrect context. Travellers aren't a race, gypsies are.
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 13, 2011 18:57:06 GMT 1
Wrong - Gypsy or Gypsies are not a race, the name is a collective description of many different nomadic races of which Romanies are one Irish travellers are another but there is no connection between the many races that are 'Gypsies' except they are nomadic and there is no Gypsy race
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Oct 13, 2011 19:05:12 GMT 1
You misunderstand my point. Factually speaking, travellers are not a 'race' but in fact a social grouping and as a result any discrimination cannot be labelled as 'racism'. I hope you feel more enlightened and can now refrain from using the word 'racism' in an incorrect context. Travellers aren't a race, gypsies are. In fact, the law views them both as ethnic groups and as such both are protected from discrimination by the Race Relations Act 1976.
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Post by grinfish on Oct 13, 2011 19:39:11 GMT 1
I think you're all discriminating against Strawmen by using one as an argument.
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Post by dick on Oct 13, 2011 20:15:22 GMT 1
Shouldn't they be in Walsall anyway
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 13, 2011 21:59:13 GMT 1
Wrong - Gypsy or Gypsies are not a race, the name is a collective description of many different nomadic races of which Romanies are one Irish travellers are another but there is no connection between the many races that are 'Gypsies' except they are nomadic and there is no Gypsy race Colloqually anyone who lives in a caravan gets called a gypsy. Which your definition explains. But "Gypsy" was originally the British term for Romanies, which came from a misunderstanding that they were from Egypt (hence gyp, from the greek word for Egyptian), rather than India. So now people may call an Irish traveller a Gypsy, but the word gypsy was invented in English to describe the foreign Romany.
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