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Post by ianwhit on Sept 28, 2011 13:11:35 GMT 1
After a few of the very negative comments lately I'm interested to see what people's thoughts are on the club's internet output?
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Post by Pilch on Sept 28, 2011 13:22:25 GMT 1
personally i don't use it much but if you want my views on what i do use here goes, quite trivial stuff, not worth moaning about but as you asked here goes the flash update thing is annoying, often stays on their even if your computer is up to date or after you have updated the results from seasons gone by often come in handy team sheet i always look at the search facility is not as good as it once was (used to be quite handy to find an old promise that had been broken) unless its moved the golden gamble result seemed to have stopped sometime in 2010 as you cant hear it under the west stand i quite often have no idea if i've won oh and i used to like the in game updates including attendance announced at half time or just after now its just half time and full time updates
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Post by suttonshrew on Sept 28, 2011 13:28:29 GMT 1
personally ive never had an issue with shrewsweb and previews and management comments are always up quickly. i think from speaking to the fan base the main critisim is that the club doesnt release news that the fans are entitled to know and this just causes conspiracy theories, discontent and the view that its the club against the fans.
ive worked very closely with the club recently on the concourse project and cant speak highly enough of you, Martin, Jayne and Ian in the help we have received, saying that i do believe the club needs to interact better with its fanbase and until that happens you will always be the scapegoat as you put out the news and info the fans want to know.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Sept 28, 2011 13:32:54 GMT 1
Whits for the sake of feedback (and nice to see some crowd sourcing from B and A)
As you know, I think the site could be vastly improved by putting the history of the club on the website, it exisits in books (Breath on em Salop and others). As we have discussed before this would be a great benifit to the club, fans and the histroy of the club being preserved in the "internet space".
Time consuming - Yes Worth it - Definatly.
Currently the historic records only go back as far as the early 2000'a I belive which is pretty poor for a club with 125 years of heritage...
I also agree with Mike (Suttonshrew) - But thats not a Web Issues in my view, its a club policy issue, and an ongoing and long term issues that would need some serious work to overcome.
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Post by theshrews81 on Sept 28, 2011 13:33:19 GMT 1
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Post by saloplad93 on Sept 28, 2011 13:37:24 GMT 1
There are constantly spelling mistakes or minor errors in the previews and other articles. Why are the town club legends always the 5th legend? Just a basic spell check and proof read would sort this out.
Also I dont believe you have sufficient knowledge of league 2 football to do the previews. The so called "performer" from the opposition side is almost always the wrong person and you just put him because you've heard of them such as Zebroski when the real Bristol Rovers performer is always going to be between Matt Gill and Adam Virgo.
Also there isn't enough advertisement about whats going on at the club. Are the Monday night replays still being shown?
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Post by saloplad93 on Sept 28, 2011 13:39:51 GMT 1
If anyone wants somebody to do a thorough history of the club I would be happy to do it, because it would be great experience for me before i go and do history at uni next year
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 28, 2011 13:42:28 GMT 1
There are constantly spelling mistakes or minor errors in the previews and other articles. Why are the town club legends always the 5th legend? Just a basic spell check and proof read would sort this out. Also I dont believe you have sufficient knowledge of league 2 football to do the previews. The so called "performer" from the opposition side is almost always the wrong person and you just put him because you've heard of them such as Zebroski when the real Bristol Rovers performer is always going to be between Matt Gill and Adam Virgo. Also there isn't enough advertisement about whats going on at the club. Are the Monday night replays still being shown? Ian doesn't write the previews.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Sept 28, 2011 13:43:04 GMT 1
There are constantly spelling mistakes or minor errors in the previews and other articles. Why are the town club legends always the 5th legend? Just a basic spell check and proof read would sort this out. Also I dont believe you have sufficient knowledge of league 2 football to do the previews. The so called "performer" from the opposition side is almost always the wrong person and you just put him because you've heard of them such as Zebroski when the real Bristol Rovers performer is always going to be between Matt Gill and Adam Virgo. Also there isn't enough advertisement about whats going on at the club. Are the Monday night replays still being shown? Im almost 100% sure that Whits does not write the previews in the same way that he dies not write every artical in the progamme.... there done by other (mostly fans helping out) Whits does have to proof read everything (and as helpers to do this too I belive) As to if the previews are any good or not, guess it depends on if you like the style and substance of the person writing it.... I dont read them so cant comment...
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Post by ianwhit on Sept 28, 2011 13:50:10 GMT 1
There are constantly spelling mistakes or minor errors in the previews and other articles. Why are the town club legends always the 5th legend? Just a basic spell check and proof read would sort this out. Also I dont believe you have sufficient knowledge of league 2 football to do the previews. The so called "performer" from the opposition side is almost always the wrong person and you just put him because you've heard of them such as Zebroski when the real Bristol Rovers performer is always going to be between Matt Gill and Adam Virgo. Also there isn't enough advertisement about whats going on at the club. Are the Monday night replays still being shown? 1 - There will always be the odd spelling mistake with any publication, look at the BBC, Shrop Star, Guardian etc. We try to check everything and correct it. The Legends was corrected, it was interesting how it only got pointed out on the 8th one though. 2 - I don't do the preview - I've always tried to get other writers involved since about 1994 to get a varied content. 3 - I will advertise things when the different departments send them through, the reruns have been advertised on the web, emailouts, facebook group, twitter etc.
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Post by ianwhit on Sept 28, 2011 13:51:38 GMT 1
Whits for the sake of feedback (and nice to see some crowd sourcing from B and A) As you know, I think the site could be vastly improved by putting the history of the club on the website, it exisits in books (Breath on em Salop and others). As we have discussed before this would be a great benifit to the club, fans and the histroy of the club being preserved in the "internet space". You are one the people i've discussed this with and i would like to improve this. Things are progressing but wouldn't want to announce anything until it is possible for it to through to the standard i'd like.
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Post by saloplad93 on Sept 28, 2011 14:06:12 GMT 1
I apologise, thought it was Whits. I think that the reruns need to be advertised every week or at the end of the match preview it could say. "And dont forget that you can watch the match all over again on monday nights in the players lounge or where ever you do it.
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Post by dachshund on Sept 28, 2011 14:44:27 GMT 1
I think proofing is always the main thing. Yes, every publication makes mistakes, but with nowhere near the same regularity.
Otherwise, as one who only dips in every now and then, I'm broadly happy.
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Post by jonbond on Sept 28, 2011 14:50:03 GMT 1
The worst thing is the interviewer on Shrewsplayer, he is terrible. He doesnt ask any questions but merely makes statements starting with the word"suppose", and then gets the player or manager to agree or disagree with him. It is so annoying!! The interview with Lionel the other week was shocking, he just kept repeating himself.
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Post by simianbenzoate on Sept 28, 2011 14:58:29 GMT 1
On the proof-reading thing, I know it's not the most important thing in the world but it's very easy to do right and it just looks bad. At least the web content is easy to edit, but there still seems to be an awful amount of mistakes in the programmes too.
A few years back whits used to email out the contents of the website and the programme to various people to proofread - as I remember this changed because of the tightness of the printing schedule, but I (and i'm sure many others) would be more than willing to help out with whatever needs doing, be it web content or for the programme.
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Post by Fingers on Sept 28, 2011 15:21:58 GMT 1
There are constantly spelling mistakes or minor errors in the previews and other articles. Why are the town club legends always the 5th legend? Just a basic spell check and proof read would sort this out. Also I dont believe you have sufficient knowledge of league 2 football to do the previews. The so called "performer" from the opposition side is almost always the wrong person and you just put him because you've heard of them such as Zebroski when the real Bristol Rovers performer is always going to be between Matt Gill and Adam Virgo. Also there isn't enough advertisement about whats going on at the club. Are the Monday night replays still being shown? 1 - There will always be the odd spelling mistake with any publication, look at the BBC, Shrop Star, Guardian etc. We try to check everything and correct it. The Legends was corrected, it was interesting how it only got pointed out on the 8th one though. 2 - I don't do the preview - I've always tried to get other writers involved since about 1994 to get a varied content. 3 - I will advertise things when the different departments send them through, the reruns have been advertised on the web, emailouts, facebook group, twitter etc. 1. Doesn't mean they should be tolerated, I am positive that there are people out there who would volunteer to proof read something which is to be published - it makes the Club look more professional and would hopefully take the heat of a small numer of individuals. 2. How is this advertised - as in the above post I do think there are a lot of people out there willing to help out make things better, ok not everyone will be of use but there will be others who are. We all have a common goal and as such want to improve anything we think is not quite right, I'm more than happy to help with proof reading.
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Post by jonbond on Sept 28, 2011 15:35:18 GMT 1
The amount of mistakes on the programmes stats page is poor, and this has been going on for years, I used to email in when I saw the same mistakes again and again, but gave up in the end. We were down as winning 1-0 at Morecambe for the whole of last season!
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Post by shrewsTRUST on Sept 28, 2011 15:45:17 GMT 1
There are constantly spelling mistakes or minor errors in the previews and other articles. Why are the town club legends always the 5th legend? Just a basic spell check and proof read would sort this out. Also I dont believe you have sufficient knowledge of league 2 football to do the previews. The so called "performer" from the opposition side is almost always the wrong person and you just put him because you've heard of them such as Zebroski when the real Bristol Rovers performer is always going to be between Matt Gill and Adam Virgo. Also there isn't enough advertisement about whats going on at the club. Are the Monday night replays still being shown? Hi, I write the preview and when i do the performer bit i usually have a look at the top scorer or a midfielder with decent stats, or even someone who has caught my eye last time around. I dont think i know what you mean by the wrong one, but it is surely an arguable point. Nobody knows who is going to perform before hand and there have been times where they have been injured late or not selected. Look at our own team, is there one performer? if there is, it would be Ainsworth or Marvin or gornell or JC or maybe mark wright or nicky wroe. It isnt really meant to be someone who in my view is their ultimate performer, just a feature on one of their players who is doing well in that season. Maybe i should change the name of that slot to something else. I didnt really think someone was going to take it so literally.
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Post by shrew54 on Sept 28, 2011 16:24:36 GMT 1
Most of the things i have issues with have been mentioned.
I think Shrewsplayer is good, but one thing that does annoy me is the commentary on the match highlights. It is obviously added after the match, but it drowns out a lot of the crowd noise.
I know it could take longer but no commentary would be better, the commentary on the BBC is much better.
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Post by mattmw on Sept 28, 2011 16:32:34 GMT 1
I'm not sure if it's something the club has any control over but it's a bit tricky viewing the Shrews chat pages on an I phone - you have to view it as a webpage through safari, it would be good if it could be done through an app like pro boards as you can for B&A
Generally viewing the main website on an I phone works well though
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 28, 2011 16:37:55 GMT 1
the websites a joke. its a generic template used by the majority of football league clubs. cant we have a unique website with the club history and some decent features?
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Post by Ned on Sept 28, 2011 16:47:49 GMT 1
I think that it's ok, but would like more regular updates.
There is another football league club's website I often visit, and things are posted most days - they use the same format as you do, obviously.
Perhaps more player interviews, more chance for fans to get involved in the running of the site?
No doubt, though, the things that are already on there are of a good quality.
Perhaps a preview for what's inside this weekend's match programme? A review of the weekend's League Two action?
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Post by saloplad93 on Sept 28, 2011 16:51:32 GMT 1
To Shrews Trust Press, I have nothing against what you write about the player you choose, i just think it would be a nice idea to ask some of the fans of that club to say who they believe is there best player or whatever you want to call it. I believe if someone asked Shrewsbury fans who there best player was the majority may no go for the man with the most goals or assists and may go for someone who is consitently very good such as candell sherriff or wroe.
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Post by shrewsTRUST on Sept 28, 2011 17:05:02 GMT 1
To Shrews Trust Press, I have nothing against what you write about the player you choose, i just think it would be a nice idea to ask some of the fans of that club to say who they believe is there best player or whatever you want to call it. I believe if someone asked Shrewsbury fans who there best player was the majority may no go for the man with the most goals or assists and may go for someone who is consitently very good such as candell sherriff or wroe. I didnt say you did have anything against me why would you have? you take the time to read the preview and i thank you for that. I appreciate what you are saying, and when i started doing the preview i did something similar. Joined a messageboard, lincolns i think, and asked some thoughts. I thought i had been polite and nice about it but i didnt get much of a response. Could you imagine the response i would get on the hereford board (one which i have tried to join, but never been approved on, because ip address i think). It would also mean joining 24 forums, for a 100 word bit. so the simple answer was to base players that had caught my eye or where it wasnt possible , on statistics. I have a certain amount of time i can allocate to this preview in my week and that is no more than 2 hours or so, not including typing up some comments from GT. there are loads of things i could do, but not all of them are time effective p.s. i rarely get the score prediction right either
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Sept 28, 2011 17:18:33 GMT 1
Twitter intergration for new news stories... I cant recall the last time a story was posted on Shewsweb that had an instant Tweet on the Shrewsweb accout.... Facebook too i guess.... if its about getting news out to fans, and have you have the accounts out there better use of them might help....
I think you have to do this manually at the momenbt whits, cant the "wolrd" platform sort that out???
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Post by ianwhit on Sept 28, 2011 17:25:48 GMT 1
the websites a joke. its a generic template used by the majority of football league clubs. cant we have a unique website with the club history and some decent features? Surely it's more about content than the layout? so suggestions are? The layout is set as we are part of the Fli deal which brings in many thousands per year. They are making the layout more flexible in the next release. And to say the website as a whole is a joke, hmm.
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Post by theshrews81 on Sept 28, 2011 17:31:11 GMT 1
the websites a joke. its a generic template used by the majority of football league clubs. cant we have a unique website with the club history and some decent features? Surely it's more about content than the layout? so suggestions are? The layout is set as we are part of the Fli deal which brings in many thousands per year. They are making the layout more flexible in the next release. And to say the website as a whole is a joke, hmm. I actually like the 'generic' layout. 9/10 you can easily find the information you are looking for (even if it is out of date. I for one would not want to go to one run solely with the clubs say on the layout. I think as a club we do not have the resources to man such a site unlike larger clubs. All in all I like the site but it just needs a good tidy up to bring it fully up to date ( a good autumn clean)
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Post by ianwhit on Sept 28, 2011 17:31:39 GMT 1
The amount of mistakes on the programmes stats page is poor, and this has been going on for years, I used to email in when I saw the same mistakes again and again, but gave up in the end. We were down as winning 1-0 at Morecambe for the whole of last season! When's the programme been internet output Can't remember getting any emails off you to be honest, I do get a few and usually act on them straight away as it's a simple case of speaking to the printers and updating the template. drop me an email - ian@shrewsburytown.co.uk - and any interview tips that you have
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Post by ianwhit on Sept 28, 2011 17:35:32 GMT 1
All in all I like the site but it just needs a good tidy up to bring it fully up to date ( a good autumn clean) I agree hence asking, so far the players list has a couple of mistakes, so what else is there to get it 'up to date'.
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Post by d00bie on Sept 28, 2011 17:45:01 GMT 1
I must confess I hardly ever visit the club website mainly because it's not as informative/up to date as I'd like. I like many others prefer to get my news "pushed" to me through the likes of Twitter and Facebook and only click on links I find interesting.
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