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Post by Pilch on May 21, 2011 15:09:56 GMT 1
the peaceful pitch invasion didn't stop the lad in the red jacket who got thrown out against oxford trying to get at the away fans again Identified during the mainly peacefully invasion, targeted and arrested so wont be seeing this idiot again hopefully ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Agree with Pilch re the over zealous steward who stood out from the rest, an STFC steward even intervened BUT it would have only taken a couple of our idiots (and we have enough) to get to the Torquay fans then a bit of retaliation and before you know it a very ugly incident so cant just let all fans do as they want even peacefully due to the morons who attend and spoil it for the majority i heard the kid in the red was dealt with before yesterdays game and told not to attend this one hopefully now he'll get the book thrown at him maybe the steward in the video will throw it at him ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/1258782/images/pqnQOqOSibedLgQPAcub.png)
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Post by shrewsace on May 21, 2011 15:11:17 GMT 1
I can't see the video, but is the steward the young, quite slim lad with gelled down hair?
If so, I thought singling one bloke out - who wasn't acting aggressively - and chucking him against the hoardings was out of order.
Seemed like he'd made it personal and wanted to make an example of one person, even if he coudn't stop the hundreds of others running amok.
Is the fan involved the bloke with fair hair and his mate with dark hair?
More importantly, can someone suggest why I can't view youtube vids through B&A any more and offer me a solution?
Much appreciated!
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Post by ratcliffesghost on May 21, 2011 15:27:43 GMT 1
More importantly, can someone suggest why I can't view youtube vids through B&A any more and offer me a solution?
Much appreciated! I think its to do with software versions of the poster and receiver being compatable - I cant view it either on my PC but can on my more modern laptop. (that might be complete bobbins - but plausable bobbins : ![:))](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cheesy.png)
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Post by leoshrew67 on May 21, 2011 15:44:53 GMT 1
Another game, another boubt of steward bashing ![](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/indifferent/indifferent0020.gif) . it all gets a bit tiresome after awhile tbf, once you put a yellow jacket on its a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Example : if we allowed people to run on the pitch and do as they please and run amok were told were not doing our jobs properly, on the other hand if we try and prevent people from going on the pitch were told that were acting like kiljoys you can't win ? likewise everyone has an opinion on how bad the stewarding is and how they would do X, Y & Z in certain circumstances if they were in the stewards shoes funnily enough when invited to enroll as a steward and gain first hand experience of what being a steward is like they are the first to shy away, I wonder why ? ![8-)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/innocent/innocent0009.gif) Granted the stewarding at times is not the best (afterall im not suggesting its the best in the world) however surely the supporters themselves have a duty to act in a responsible manner and behave afterall they are the face of Shrewsbury Town F.c One answer would be to ban alcohol from the ground afterall it was never on sale at Gay Meadow and I don't think we witnessed the problems then as we do now. Like it or loathe it it is against ground regulations to enter the pitch without authorisation from a steward or police officer and as a result you should expect the consiquences of your actions in doing so that said I do not advocate for one minute any heavy handedness on a stewards behalf but if your not on the pitch in the first place ........... Still that said am looking forward to the 2011/12 season and another round of steward bashing
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Post by Pilch on May 21, 2011 15:53:50 GMT 1
Another game, another boubt of steward bashing ![](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/indifferent/indifferent0020.gif) . it all gets a bit tiresome after awhile tbf, once you put a yellow jacket on its a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Example : if we allowed people to run on the pitch and do as they please and run amok were told were not doing our jobs properly, on the other hand if we try and prevent people from going on the pitch were told that were acting like kiljoys you can't win ? likewise everyone has an opinion on how bad the stewarding is and how they would do X, Y & Z in certain circumstances if they were in the stewards shoes funnily enough when invited to enroll as a steward and gain first hand experience of what being a steward is like they are the first to shy away, I wonder why ? ![8-)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/innocent/innocent0009.gif) Granted the stewarding at times is not the best (afterall im not suggesting its the best in the world) however surely the supporters themselves have a duty to act in a responsible manner and behave afterall they are the face of Shrewsbury Town F.c One answer would be to ban alcohol from the ground afterall it was never on sale at Gay Meadow and I don't think we witnessed the problems then as we do now. Like it or loathe it it is against ground regulations to enter the pitch without authorisation from a steward or police officer and as a result you should expect the consiquences of your actions in doing so that said I do not advocate for one minute any heavy handedness on a stewards behalf but if your not on the pitch in the first place ........... Still that said am looking forward to the 2011/12 season and another round of steward bashing would banning alcohol have made any difference to that stewards actions ? last week we were talking about idiot hooligans who were throwing punches and how they should be banned and rightly so like it or not, the only violence i saw yesterday was from a steward who was paid and trained to prevent trouble not cause it
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Post by Pilch on May 21, 2011 15:55:41 GMT 1
I can't see the video, but is the steward the young, quite slim lad with gelled down hair? If so, I thought singling one bloke out - who wasn't acting aggressively - and chucking him against the hoardings was out of order. Seemed like he'd made it personal and wanted to make an example of one person, even if he coudn't stop the hundreds of others running amok. Is the fan involved the bloke with fair hair and his mate with dark hair? More importantly, can someone suggest why I can't view youtube vids through B&A any more and offer me a solution?
Much appreciated!try double clicking on the video or use the link in my signature to my videos and find it from there if you still can see it yes its what you described i think it was gareth keenan from the office using his ta army training ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/1258782/images/pqnQOqOSibedLgQPAcub.png)
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Post by shrewsace on May 21, 2011 16:18:00 GMT 1
I can't see the video, but is the steward the young, quite slim lad with gelled down hair? If so, I thought singling one bloke out - who wasn't acting aggressively - and chucking him against the hoardings was out of order. Seemed like he'd made it personal and wanted to make an example of one person, even if he coudn't stop the hundreds of others running amok. Is the fan involved the bloke with fair hair and his mate with dark hair? More importantly, can someone suggest why I can't view youtube vids through B&A any more and offer me a solution?
Much appreciated!try double clicking on the video or use the link in my signature to my videos and find it from there if you still can see it yes its what you described i think it was gareth keenan from the office using his ta army training ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/1258782/images/pqnQOqOSibedLgQPAcub.png) ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/1258782/images/pqnQOqOSibedLgQPAcub.png) That's the fella. Cheers PILCH
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Post by timgallon on May 21, 2011 16:38:45 GMT 1
What is the point grappling with individual fans when there are loads of people already on the pitch? A bit like trying to shut the gate after the horse has bolted. In my view it is poor organisation. If the stewards cannot stop a mass invasion then they should fall back and ensure that opposing fans cannot get at each other as that is where the real flashpoint is for potential trouble. Man handling a few late comers on the pitch does sod all except to wind people up and create further problems. I was amazed to see the idiot in red on the pitch again and trying to get at the Torquay fans. After the Oxford game how the hell was he allowed to be in the stadium? I mean he even had the same jacket on as before for christ's sake! Just what is going on that control room to allow this to happen? Incidentally the guy in questions looks like the fella in red with his arms up in an official STFC photograph that has been used a couple of times on Shrewsweb. If it is one and the same person I find in bizarre to say the least that the Club are using the image. www.shrewsburytown.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10443~2363272,00.html
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Post by lionshrew on May 21, 2011 16:57:04 GMT 1
I was in Block 19 as usual.
The stewards where I was did not have a bloody clue, they were always wanting to see our tickets but complet ignored the standing on the stairways.
After the game they stopped the just one ot two people and let the majority pass.
Bloody useless.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 17:21:52 GMT 1
Lionshrew, I have cctv to the contrary!!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 17:28:46 GMT 1
Pilch,
Gotta say though, having witnessed first hand some of the crap that these people who have STFC intrests at heart, have to deal with, you manage to point out and highlight the one apparent piece of poor stewarding. I have just trawaled through about 15 hours of recording from last night, and the amount of stuff that I have heard and seen, shows me that actually they aint that bad. You could be classed as doing a little stiring in my opinion. difference is I cannot place the CCTV footage I have, that would shame more than 1 person on the public domain!! but thats ok when they cannot fight back eh!!
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Post by scooter on May 21, 2011 17:35:45 GMT 1
Pilch, Gotta say though, having witnessed first hand some of the cr@p that these people who have STFC intrests at heart, have to deal with, you manage to point out and highlight the one apparent piece of poor stewarding. I have just trawaled through about 15 hours of recording from last night, and the amount of stuff that I have heard and seen, shows me that actually they aint that bad. You could be classed as doing a little stiring in my opinion. difference is I cannot place the CCTV footage I have, that would shame more than 1 person on the public domain!! but thats ok when they cannot fight back eh!! Downie - to be fair to pilch this just happened right in front of where he was sat all game, and that was block 17 - he is just reporting what happened in front of him
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Post by shrewsTRUST on May 21, 2011 17:36:23 GMT 1
but thats ok when they cannot fight back eh!! unfortunate choice of phrase?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 17:38:00 GMT 1
Downie - what is your opinion on the specific incident Pilch has captured on film?
Was the force used (though technically legal) reasonable in the circumstances?
How would you have handled the situation?
Do you think that the gentleman should be allowed to continue stewarding at Shrewsbury Town matches?
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Post by Mike on May 21, 2011 17:38:51 GMT 1
There was at least one more ugly incident near to block 18 that I saw.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 17:39:17 GMT 1
Pilch, Gotta say though, having witnessed first hand some of the cr@p that these people who have STFC intrests at heart, have to deal with, you manage to point out and highlight the one apparent piece of poor stewarding. I have just trawaled through about 15 hours of recording from last night, and the amount of stuff that I have heard and seen, shows me that actually they aint that bad. You could be classed as doing a little stiring in my opinion. difference is I cannot place the CCTV footage I have, that would shame more than 1 person on the public domain!! but thats ok when they cannot fight back eh!! Downie - to be fair to pilch this just happened right in front of where he was sat all game, and that was block 17 - he is just reporting what happened in front of him I agree, but quite a lot happend just in front of me, but you do not see it on the public domain, to me, the club would fair better if Pilch had sent this to the club as I will be doing with all the footage I have, and let them act upon it!!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 17:40:27 GMT 1
Downie - what is your opinion on the specific incident Pilch has captured on film? Was the force used (though technically legal) reasonable in the circumstances? How would you have handled the situation? Do you think that the gentleman should be allowed to continue stewarding at Shrewsbury Town matches? would you mind if I answered this via PM!!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 17:42:13 GMT 1
would you mind if I answered this via PM!! Absolutely not, many thanks.
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Post by Pilch on May 21, 2011 17:45:52 GMT 1
Pilch, Gotta say though, having witnessed first hand some of the cr@p that these people who have STFC intrests at heart, have to deal with, you manage to point out and highlight the one apparent piece of poor stewarding. I have just trawaled through about 15 hours of recording from last night, and the amount of stuff that I have heard and seen, shows me that actually they aint that bad. You could be classed as doing a little stiring in my opinion. difference is I cannot place the CCTV footage I have, that would shame more than 1 person on the public domain!! but thats ok when they cannot fight back eh!! paul i have already said 99% of the stewards were ok even commended one chap i happened to video a few seconds and that happened i dont take sides if i capture something on camera worth airing i will heres one i went to the police with a man u hooligan
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 17:54:41 GMT 1
And as I have said, I disagree with it as the club have not been given the chance to act upon it and take action, its entirely up to you, I just would have done things differently!!
This type of thing in my opinion harms the club and reputation.
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Post by eclipsechaser on May 21, 2011 18:02:21 GMT 1
What is the point grappling with individual fans when there are loads of people already on the pitch? A bit like trying to shut the gate after the horse has bolted. In my view it is poor organisation. If the stewards cannot stop a mass invasion then they should fall back and ensure that opposing fans cannot get at each other as that is where the real flashpoint is for potential trouble. Man handling a few late comers on the pitch does sod all except to wind people up and create further problems. I was amazed to see the idiot in red on the pitch again and trying to get at the Torquay fans. After the Oxford game how the hell was he allowed to be in the stadium? I mean he even had the same jacket on as before for christ's sake! Just what is going on that control room to allow this to happen? Incidentally the guy in questions looks like the fella in red with his arms up in an official STFC photograph that has been used a couple of times on Shrewsweb. If it is one and the same person I find in bizarre to say the least that the Club are using the image. www.shrewsburytown.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10443~2363272,00.html I am in total agreement .
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Post by Pilch on May 21, 2011 18:08:44 GMT 1
And as I have said, I disagree with it as the club have not been given the chance to act upon it and take action, its entirely up to you, I just would have done things differently!! This type of thing in my opinion harms the club and reputation. posting on here and contacting the club are two of the same ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/1258782/images/pqnQOqOSibedLgQPAcub.png)
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 18:11:57 GMT 1
And as I have said, I disagree with it as the club have not been given the chance to act upon it and take action, its entirely up to you, I just would have done things differently!! This type of thing in my opinion harms the club and reputation. posting on here and contacting the club are two of the same ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/1258782/images/pqnQOqOSibedLgQPAcub.png) LOL ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Bob Rickerton on May 21, 2011 18:30:29 GMT 1
Seeing as Block 19's been brought up in this thread, I'll counter the (justified) criticism of the steward by giving the club some credit towards their approach to this block. I'd been critical of the club's decision to only make people aware that the unreserved seats policy in Block 19 had been removed last Friday, and that to stop people sitting in there without a ticket, there were going to be additional stewards outside the turnstyles. Instead of this, at the bottom of each block there were stewards checking your ticket to ensure that your ticket was for Block 19, and I'd estimate there was about 7 stewards on the right hand side who'd check you were going into the right row.
Given that we'll be in League 2 again next season, I'd say it's unnecessary to remove the unreserved seating for the vast majority of games, but yesterday's approach will be a sensible one for the bigger games (Vale, Hereford, any end of season games.)
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Post by saladsaladsalad on May 21, 2011 18:35:13 GMT 1
Another game, another boubt of steward bashing ![](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/indifferent/indifferent0020.gif) . it all gets a bit tiresome after awhile tbf, once you put a yellow jacket on its a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Example : if we allowed people to run on the pitch and do as they please and run amok were told were not doing our jobs properly, on the other hand if we try and prevent people from going on the pitch were told that were acting like kiljoys you can't win ? likewise everyone has an opinion on how bad the stewarding is and how they would do X, Y & Z in certain circumstances if they were in the stewards shoes funnily enough when invited to enroll as a steward and gain first hand experience of what being a steward is like they are the first to shy away, I wonder why ? ![8-)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/innocent/innocent0009.gif) Granted the stewarding at times is not the best (afterall im not suggesting its the best in the world) however surely the supporters themselves have a duty to act in a responsible manner and behave afterall they are the face of Shrewsbury Town F.c One answer would be to ban alcohol from the ground afterall it was never on sale at Gay Meadow and I don't think we witnessed the problems then as we do now. Like it or loathe it it is against ground regulations to enter the pitch without authorisation from a steward or police officer and as a result you should expect the consiquences of your actions in doing so that said I do not advocate for one minute any heavy handedness on a stewards behalf but if your not on the pitch in the first place ........... Still that said am looking forward to the 2011/12 season and another round of steward bashing The obvious answer is that stewards use their meagre allocation of common sense - If there are already hundreds of people on the pitch, what is the point of throwing one bloke back against the hoardings? Much better to just try and discourage any further people coming on the pitch, but whilst the 'pitch invasion' has already occurred (and is clearly good natured, different matter if not) then it is sensible and pretty obvious to just let things go - they'll soon get bored. The comparison to Gay Meadow is a failed one - unless you are trying to tell me there were no pitch invasions there? I remember going on the pitch several times, in recent years after the last game Vs Grimsby, playoff semi's Vs Barnet to name two. On neither occasion did the stewards try to forcefully stop/eject people from the pitch. I think it's more a case that we now have a few stewards who are little hitlers and enjoy throwing their weight around. I also note how the steward in the video selects a youngish lad to pick on - If it had been me I don't think the steward would have been able to manhandle me as I'm taller and heavier than him and I suspect he would have got considerably less shrift from many blokes that go to the footy. The pitch invasion itself was embarrassing, pointless but ultimately harmless and should have been treated as such. If STFC's policy is that every pitch invasion must be stopped at all costs, the stewards should enforce the rule on all and not just people they think they can chuck around, very unprofessional.
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Post by WindsorShrew on May 21, 2011 20:09:42 GMT 1
This subject crops up routinely after "certain events" have taken place.
In the first instance Stewards are deemed a legal requirement thus we cannot host a game without them.
Stewards are trained to a national standard and are paid a minimal amount for what they do. Stewards are routinely abused by our fanbase. Stewards are given instructions as to what to do by STFC.
Now lets be honest they are not perfect and with respect under pressure may make mistakes...where this occurs simple measures can be taken by removal or retraining.......but lets also look at ourselves.
Many on here and at games think that they can do what they want at football matches.....if this involves breaking rules, putting the safety of people at risk or wrecking other peoples enjoyment then so what. Then of course follows the routine outrage that a Steward has done something that prevents them from doing so.
People, I agree the Steward should not have man handled the lad in that way - I also agree with a tactical issue about a line in front of the away fans as a last resort.
However if people did as they were asked and acted sensibly in the first place we would not have the issues raised here in the first place.
It is also worth listening to those involved in training, supplying and carrying out the duties of Stewards, yet it seems on here people know better so these peoples valid input is ignored.
Finally many people need to wake up and realise that Shrewsbury fans are not perfect. The idiots at Chesterfield, the pratts at home against Oxford.....countless other issues over the years show that shrewsbury has a fair proportion of idiots amongst its fanbase.
it's quite simple really, you behave in a sensible manner you won't even come into contact with a Steward.
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Post by Pilch on May 21, 2011 21:08:05 GMT 1
apparantly the council have asked that steward to enforce the 4 mile parking exclusion for the elton john concert if you try and park near the ground he will enter you car drive you home and crash it into you garden wall ![8-)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/innocent/innocent0009.gif)
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Post by furymuso on May 22, 2011 11:25:50 GMT 1
They just don't know what they're doing. Under trained, although I agree that some of them (like the one in th video) are lost causes.
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Post by eight0eight on May 22, 2011 18:38:51 GMT 1
never mind the pitch invasion. What the hell were they doing in Block 9? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/1258782/images/ZEjvtQKOmLArVPumuTsh.png) It's clear they cannot handle a crowd as they were clueless when it came to dealing with the 4 muppets who had had far too much to drink before the game. I'm all for a few beers before the match to put you in the mood but to spend 90 minutes swearing your head off surrounded by families is just not welcome. The stewards just stood and watched the culprets winding everyone up and when it did kick off they looked scared *hitless. I know they cant just steam in blindly but the situation was obvious for all to see. A bit more training is required me thinks!!!!
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Post by Mike on May 22, 2011 18:46:00 GMT 1
would you mind if I answered this via PM!! Absolutely not, many thanks. Did you get an answer Dr Crippen?
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