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Post by alex1993 on May 9, 2011 10:53:27 GMT 1
there were 2 lads who ran the length of the pitch towards the south stand to attempt escape, well i'm sure one of them was the same lad who ran on against vale, its seems on both occasions fans helped detain him, but no idea what the outcome was just ejected i guess if it is thats twice now in the space of a few weeks ryan kept announcing we have very sophisticated cctv well come on town, put your money where you mouth is time to use it i suppose or just look on you tube. the oxford fans video has most fans faces on it and is a brilliant way to catch them and ban then
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 9, 2011 10:58:44 GMT 1
still nothing on the club site about it - would have thought those peoples images should have been up there with some statements about them being banned to act as a deterent
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 11:00:57 GMT 1
ryan kept announcing we have very sophisticated cctv well come on town, put your money where you mouth is here ya go Pilch, no escaping this beauty. ![](http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk236/matronshrew/imagesCACH77T7.jpg)
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Post by blueshrew52 on May 9, 2011 11:06:46 GMT 1
I was sat right infront of the fighting before half time. It started before the game kicked off, when to guys had an argument about someone sitting in the wrong seat, both had had to much to drink, then just before half time the two guys met on the steps and it kicked off! I think you may have that wrong if it was the same incident I was close to To thugs who turned up just before kickoff forceably kicked two lads out of what the said was there seat and when the two lads explained what happened to the steward in the blue coat he just shrugged his shoulders and made the two lads sit on the front row they were not involved in the fighting at half time but at least one of the thugs were If the steward had done a better job perhaps the fighting would not of started in the first place The biggest problem is the club don't make it common knowledge that 19 is unreserved seating they even print seat numbers on the tickets!! I have a season ticket in 19 I thought it was a good idea because I could sit with friends who dont go to matches as regularly as I do and on big games I get this problem quite alot
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Post by alex1993 on May 9, 2011 11:10:32 GMT 1
i got a season ticket for block 18 but id rather sit with my mates in block 19 and have a laugh rather than sitting in block 18. its never been a problem all season as im always there early enough to get my seat even if i do have people standing in front of me on the same row
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Post by Fingers on May 9, 2011 11:34:52 GMT 1
Following on from Blueshrew the club should really think through the policy of making block 19 unreserved seating AND printing seat numbers on the ticket - this can cause immense confusion.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on May 9, 2011 12:31:00 GMT 1
As others have said, the clubs current policy of making Block 19 unreserved whilst also printing seat numbers on the tickets is a recipe for confusion, especially for people who don't go regularly. I think having a block of unreserved seating is a positive thing in principle, and though it probably didn't help with Saturdays scenes, I think the problems extend further than it just being an unreserved block.
One of the main problems is that at present there's very little to stop people with tickets for other blocks getting in, which leads to the type of overspill seen on Saturday. For big games there's only a half arsed attempt to stop people sitting in Block 19. If instead of this, two stewards stood either side of the block from 14:00 or 18:30, and made sure that everyone coming up had a ticket for the right block, this would be improved.
It may be the case that trouble continues and unreserved seating has to be knocked on the head. But the problem for me is far more with peoples mentalities- idiots will still be able to get a ticket for that block and cause trouble, unreserved seating or not.
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Post by viewfromblock2 on May 9, 2011 12:32:35 GMT 1
I'm sure many of us have seen far worse but that's not really the point. We're not on here to swap campaign stories, real or imagined. football's generally more civilised than in the old days and only an idiot would think that wasn't a good thing. If you or I think yesterday was no big deal but other fans think it was, who's right? Answer - they are, if it stops them coming again. We should be celebrating a good finish to the season and looking forward to the play offs. Instead, we're talking about the embarrassing actions of a handful of boneheads. Once again we're in danger of blowing the big occasion, this time for off-field reasons. Frankly this thread doesn't help. Lots of squabbling and a sorry few who seem to be enjoying the association with the knuckle draggers. B&A at its worst. Truly pathetic. I hardly ever post anything on here these days but thought this contribution was worthy of praise. An excellent post.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 9, 2011 12:34:04 GMT 1
ryan kept announcing we have very sophisticated cctv well come on town, put your money where you mouth is here ya go Pilch, no escaping this beauty. ![](http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk236/matronshrew/imagesCACH77T7.jpg) ![](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/2553739798_89ecd963a1.jpg) Just waiting for the paint to dry before handing it over to the club...
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Post by Pilch on May 9, 2011 12:34:05 GMT 1
was 19 unreserved on saturday ?
if so why ?
i'm guessing it wasn't for an obvious reason or at least hope so
as me and my mates were sitting in different areas due to season tickets and not getting seats together we joked that if we got their early and took up 4 seats in block 19 nobody would be able to do anything
of course we never but would like to know if it was unreserved on saturday or not
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Post by WindsorShrew on May 9, 2011 12:43:44 GMT 1
In fairness to the Club I think they were only responding to the wishes of the fans in the first place with regard to unreserved seating.
To put things in context, we have not had a major issue because of this. Fans will still run on the pitch whetehr seated or stood in the stands, the same goes for running toward other fans.
The people who chose to occupy Block 19 should understand the situation. It is of course a shame when this issue effects other blocks.
In future for big games may I suggest that until STFC (if they ever do) make the rules for 19 the same as the rest of the ground then folks who do not wish to participate in such an atmosphere should consider moving.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on May 9, 2011 12:46:22 GMT 1
The guy I saw ran from Block 19 into the South Stand was wearing a rather g***'ish leather black jacket with dark hair.
Looked about 14 years old at the most.
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Post by davycrockett on May 9, 2011 12:54:52 GMT 1
I think we've solved the problem here ......
1/ no unreserved seating in block 19 2/ zero tolerance for fans entering the field of play - law 3/ enforce seating in all blocks - all seater stadium rule
The club tried to let fans in block 19 enjoy the experience but a small minority have spoiled it for the majority so the above action should be in place before the next match
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Post by buffetboy on May 9, 2011 13:04:08 GMT 1
Davey I fail to see how making everyone sit down will solve the problem? standing is not the issue, the points around unreserved seating needing to be clarified are spot on yes but lets face it those idiots on saturday would have caused trouble matter where they were! why punish everyone in block 19 for the behaviour of a small minority of idiots who can only be prevented from repeating this with clear action from the club and authorities.
I stand in block 19 because I want to stand but ive never been on the pitch or engaged in fighting! I think we all have to accept there should have been a greater police presence for this game and no doubt there will be against torquay COYB
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Post by buffetboy on May 9, 2011 13:11:19 GMT 1
Another point I should mention would be that if we closed 19 unless for overspill as mentioned by several posters or we enforced no standing I would seriously consider not going to games and whilst we have spent time discussing the effects saturdays trouble may have had on first time fans and them potentially not going back, surely I am as important to retain as they are?
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Post by Pilch on May 9, 2011 13:13:55 GMT 1
i think its pretty obvious that the 2nd leg will be heavily policed
saturday was only ever going to be a non event as far as the result went
the torquay match is a huge game, unless we turn the tables and win 5-0 at torquay it should be a full house and has the potential for trouble at any point during the game
i think we'll see the chopper, riot police, dogs, the lot
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Post by blueshrew52 on May 9, 2011 13:35:26 GMT 1
was 19 unreserved on saturday ? if so why ? i'm guessing it wasn't for an obvious reason or at least hope so as me and my mates were sitting in different areas due to season tickets and not getting seats together we joked that if we got their early and took up 4 seats in block 19 nobody would be able to do anything of course we never but would like to know if it was unreserved on saturday or not This is kind of my point. When I bought my season ticket I was told that it was unreserved and on occasion when I buy tickets for my friends I'm told the same thing so if they did make block 19 reserved I wasn't told and it wasn't made public not that I could see Anyway
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 13:47:45 GMT 1
was a disgrace, havnt seen such actios since that time in the wakeman end in the mid-early 90s when a mass fight broke out, but i think that was away fans in the home end, could have been cardiff? also recall a wolves friendly when the wolves crew were in our end and started dishing a few slaps out, !!!!! Luton
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 9, 2011 13:52:16 GMT 1
They made block 19 unreserved at request of fans.
The fact some people abused that means that loads of genuine fnas who like the freedom of unreserved seating may now lose the opportunity
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Post by Pilch on May 9, 2011 14:02:35 GMT 1
They made block 19 unreserved at request of fans. The fact some people abused that means that loads of genuine fnas who like the freedom of unreserved seating may now lose the opportunity i think the club are partly to blame too unreserved works fine when spare seats are a plenty but its a definite no no when its a sell out as i pointed out to scooter, if someone turns up and shows a steward a block 19 ticket and all seats are taken what are the stewards supposed to do ? they can hardly start checking everyones ticket
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Post by venceremos on May 9, 2011 14:10:03 GMT 1
Buffetboy is right about this not being about standing.
Unreserved seating seems to be the core of Saturday's problems. Cheltenham got that right last week, we didn't. As Pilch says, we just can't have it when the West Stand's full (or nearly so).
If we do get promoted, we'll really have to up our crowd management game for when the big away followings visit. We've had enough recent warnings (Vale, Hereford, Luton). I hope the club learns from Saturday and doesn't ignore it - it could have been far worse and sooner or later it will be.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 9, 2011 14:15:43 GMT 1
I'd suggest that the sort of people who caused trouble on Saturday would force their way into Block 19 regardless of whether it was reserved seating or not.
Weak and ineffectual stewarding guarantees this.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 14:40:30 GMT 1
They made block 19 unreserved at request of fans. The fact some people abused that means that loads of genuine fnas who like the freedom of unreserved seating may now lose the opportunity i think the club are partly to blame too unreserved works fine when spare seats are a plenty but its a definite no no when its a sell out as i pointed out to scooter, if someone turns up and shows a steward a block 19 ticket and all seats are taken what are the stewards supposed to do ? they can hardly start checking everyones ticket Just makes me have a little giggle when everyone slated Cheltenham asking us all to sit in allocated seating!!
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Post by Pilch on May 9, 2011 14:50:44 GMT 1
i think the club are partly to blame too unreserved works fine when spare seats are a plenty but its a definite no no when its a sell out as i pointed out to scooter, if someone turns up and shows a steward a block 19 ticket and all seats are taken what are the stewards supposed to do ? they can hardly start checking everyones ticket Just makes me have a little giggle when everyone slated Cheltenham asking us all to sit in allocated seating!! too right even hereford made a meal of it by having an A & B stand town actually sold me a mixture of as & bs at the same time and i was completely unaware until arrival we managed to fool 3 checks and sat together ![;)](http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0070.gif) cheltenham was easy as i said at the time, the only ones causing problems was our club by the way they allocated the tickets at least when its a terrace it doesnt really matter if you buy 1 ticket one day and another the next
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 16:51:20 GMT 1
3/ enforce seating in all blocks - all seater stadium rule. the above action should be in place before the next match You genuinely sicken me. Will you not rest until Shrewsbury matches are conducted in absolute silence? Sitting = zero atmosphere. You should remember this before making such stupid suggestions.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 16:56:00 GMT 1
Several people on this thread have alluded to young friends/relatives 'being near' to the trouble which occurred on Saturday afternoon.
Pardon my bluntness, but what the hell are toddlers and small children doing anywhere near blocks 18 and 19? Surely they should be watching from the family stand or else what is the point of having a dedicated family-friendly area?
If youngsters are so easily deterred by a confrontational atmosphere, surely sitting elsewhere would be advisable. This is not a defence of the trouble-making seen against Oxford, but is still a point worth making to those who have threatened to stop attending.
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Post by kuffdam72 on May 9, 2011 17:03:49 GMT 1
Several people on this thread have alluded to young friends/relatives 'being near' to the trouble which occurred on Saturday afternoon. Pardon my bluntness, but what the hell are toddlers and small children doing anywhere near blocks 18 and 19? Surely they should be watching from the family stand or else what is the point of having a dedicated family-friendly area? If youngsters are so easily deterred by a confrontational atmosphere, surely sitting elsewhere would be advisable. This is not a defence of the trouble-making seen against Oxford, but is still a point worth making to those who have threatened to stop attending. well said , couldn't agree more .
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Post by Fingers on May 9, 2011 17:23:03 GMT 1
Several people on this thread have alluded to young friends/relatives 'being near' to the trouble which occurred on Saturday afternoon. Pardon my bluntness, but what the hell are toddlers and small children doing anywhere near blocks 18 and 19? Surely they should be watching from the family stand or else what is the point of having a dedicated family-friendly area? If youngsters are so easily deterred by a confrontational atmosphere, surely sitting elsewhere would be advisable. This is not a defence of the trouble-making seen against Oxford, but is still a point worth making to those who have threatened to stop attending. Family stand was sold out and whilst I believe block 1 was made avilable as an overflow this may have been done too late. If a father or older sibling sits in block 18/19 regularly it makes sense to retain a seat in that area and bring along their family. Let's face it there shouldn't be any no-go areas for families in the stadium. Don't forget we were Family Club of the year in 2009 and 2010. Hopefully the club will have learnt from this and Torquay at home (if sold out and its looking that way) will be handled better.
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 9, 2011 17:32:33 GMT 1
Sorry was block 19 unreserved? If so why was Ryan Jervis making several announcements before the match asking fans to sit in their specified seat?
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Post by davycrockett on May 9, 2011 17:34:14 GMT 1
Davey I fail to see how making everyone sit down will solve the problem? standing is not the issue, the points around unreserved seating needing to be clarified are spot on yes but lets face it those idiots on saturday would have caused trouble matter where they were! why punish everyone in block 19 for the behaviour of a small minority of idiots who can only be prevented from repeating this with clear action from the club and authorities. I stand in block 19 because I want to stand but ive never been on the pitch or engaged in fighting! I think we all have to accept there should have been a greater police presence for this game and no doubt there will be against torquay COYB Your right standing wasn't the problem, over crowded stand was! so only making people sit will make sure correct numbers are there when we have a sell-out ...............
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