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Post by jaytee on Nov 24, 2010 16:34:13 GMT 1
I must admit to being surprised at the Bulls fans. I've been away to their ground and walked back through them to the car, even after we've won, and never felt threatened at all.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Nov 24, 2010 16:42:11 GMT 1
Any true football followers would have applauded Mark Wright's effort. Home and away fans alike. Apart from those who were saying it was a cross
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Post by feltonshrew on Nov 24, 2010 17:23:39 GMT 1
If people are really interested then here goes.
The football club "police" the games with stewards to keep the cost down. they do not want the police as they have to pay. the same as such things as the flower show or raf cosford air shows or the Elton John concert. Why should the tax payer foot the bill when only 5% or less of the population attend the private event.
The policing is provided for the general public outside of the stadium... and unlike what many of you think they are not on overtime earning lots of money. they have their days off cancelled at enough notice that they dont earn one penny, they get a day back at some point in the future that they dont necessarily want.
the officers in the stadium are the link to the stewards and control rooms, of the police and the football club. They are to spot known trouble makers and to gather evidence against them eg by officers own video evidence or shrewsbury cctv. If these 3 or 4 officers get involved the whole process of information flow falls apart.
The police will enter the stadium at the request of the club or in circumstances where it is felt necessary to save life etc.
The responsibility for the safety of all inside the ground is that of the football club. They also have to prove they can cope in order to obtain a safety certificate to run events such as the football games.
if they plan not to use the police and get safety certificates, only for the police to have to get involved inside the ground then the club are proving they cannot run an event safely. The stewards have the power to prevent trouble and eject people.
Last night either the club needed more stewards at the start or they needed the police to be involved at the start. make up your own mind which but i would suggest the planning was poor
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Post by drhopster on Nov 24, 2010 17:37:15 GMT 1
they just need a bloody gate and fence between block 19 and the away end ,we will always get this kind of thing with vale ,hereford ext why is the ground open at all sides?
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Post by pvfc61 on Nov 24, 2010 17:41:44 GMT 1
I don't know, crowd troubles at the SHREWSBURY! GASP..... Just a very few Tuesday nights ago YOU lot were moaning about OUR [gentle] banter up Hamil road!!! lol.
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Post by nicko on Nov 24, 2010 17:47:21 GMT 1
Any true football followers would have applauded Mark Wright's effort. Home and away fans alike. Apart from those who were saying it was a cross It was I tell ya!!!! Anyway forget about the North Stand there was some serious disorder from someones @rse at the back of 17 last night....bl00dy rank. I will get to the bottom of who keeps dropping those....
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Post by shrewblue on Nov 24, 2010 17:51:41 GMT 1
If the obvious offenders in the North Stand had been dealt with firmly early doors the trouble would not have escalated, because it wasnt they became bolder and ultimately out of control.
It was quite clear there were a few characters in their crowd who were culprits and threatening and should have been removed a number of them were still there at the end I sincerely hope cctv footage identifies them and they are arrested,charged and banned from all football grounds they are not true supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2010 18:02:54 GMT 1
Its a no win situation at the end of the day,
I haven't seen scenes like that at a STFC (I haven't always been a regular) probably since the Northampton game in I think 92/93?
At times the football was a bit of a side show,
I understand why the club have to pay the police, they are putting on these events at the risk of things like that, However I think any damages inflicted to the north stand should be paid by HUFC,
I honestly though Hereford were a good bunch
to be honest asking some stewards to tackle that amount of bother is a little much, some are women, kids and old men, there is also a select 'bouncer' smart bunch who look a lot more handy at tackling those problems such as last night,
Mr Blue coat, are we talking about the guy with the goatee and the bald head?
I'm not sure anyone though it was going to get that bad, particularly against Hereford, there reputation has been spoiled for me for a long time now
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Post by jaytee on Nov 24, 2010 18:05:52 GMT 1
Anyway forget about the North Stand there was some serious disorder from someones @rse at the back of 17 last night....bl00dy rank. I will get to the bottom of who keeps dropping those.... Well I hope someone trumps you.
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Post by Amsterdammer on Nov 24, 2010 18:08:19 GMT 1
This is certainly changing their image in my eyes. I had them down as unwashed worzels chewing on some hay whilst watching the owd lads hoof a sheep's bladder around. Seems to be no longer the case.
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Post by Llanelian on Nov 24, 2010 18:17:56 GMT 1
Sorry, but I think we are all missing or forgetting about one very important aspect of this.......our stadium is, unfortunately, all seater. Whenever we go anywhere we are forced to sit down and if anyone starts to stand up they are warned or ejected from the stadium.
That is how things are policed, and certainly that was the case at the New Meadow. Last night, right from the start, Hereford supporters were all standing up. No effort was made to make them sit down, thus restricting mobility, even when there were only a very few supporters coming in.
I know we may not have enough stewards, but if the regulations had been adhered to, and everyone travelling to the ground made aware of the consequences, then one of two things would have happened...the tossers that were intend on ruining what little symapthy anyone had for HUFC in their present state would have either not bothered turning up, or they would have done what they were supposed to do and sit. Dead easy. If anyone stands for any length of time in the west stand, he or she gets a mouthfull from those behind...the same every ground you go to.
And......yes, I actually did mind that the idiots ripping up the banner from Wembley...that was criminal damage...I don't like the clip art anymore than anyone else, but the banner represented where the club is at the moment and was part of the heritage of the club and the visit to Wembley.
It is also a shame that a club that is in the last wrenches of existance as a professional club playing in the Football League should be represented by such a load of worthless no markers, most of which have no apparent understanding of the debt owed to their fromer Chairman and Manager.
Trying not to get worked up about this.....but just like most of the violence that some of us may have experienced in the late sixties and seventies...if it had been nipped in the bud and certain individuals and clubs had been properly punished, then grounds would have been much safer places to go to and stand and watch footy.
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Post by nicko on Nov 24, 2010 18:22:05 GMT 1
Anyway forget about the North Stand there was some serious disorder from someones @rse at the back of 17 last night....bl00dy rank. I will get to the bottom of who keeps dropping those.... Well I hope someone trumps you. Careful you might get one of them warnings, or worser a ban.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Nov 24, 2010 18:22:49 GMT 1
they just need a bloody gate and fence between block 19 and the away end ,we will always get this kind of thing with vale ,hereford ext why is the ground open at all sides? Very good point, that is one obvious thing a lot of the grounds are missing - strange that they've got one of these outside the stadium but not inside. Don't think the situation last night was helped by the delayed kick off - there were lots of hereford fans who were not held up and arrived in plenty of time and thus they then had another 15 minutes of possible drinking time - maybe that just tipped some of them over the edge.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 24, 2010 18:44:46 GMT 1
There were equally a few characters in Block 19 of the West Stand who weren't helping matters either.
Was it my imagination or was the South Stand less populated and Block 19 more populated than usual? A case perhaps of a few individuals wanting to get nearer the action?
I agree that the North Stand troublemakers should have been firmly dealt with a lot earlier though!
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Post by mrmagoo on Nov 24, 2010 18:56:09 GMT 1
[/quote]Don't think the situation last night was helped by the delayed kick off - there were lots of hereford fans who were not held up and arrived in plenty of time and thus they then had another 15 minutes of possible drinking time - maybe that just tipped some of them over the edge.[/quote] I think you will find that some had been in town drinking from 15.00
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Post by Dan F on Nov 24, 2010 19:50:42 GMT 1
Anyway forget about the North Stand there was some serious disorder from someones @rse at the back of 17 last night....bl00dy rank. I will get to the bottom of who keeps dropping those.... Well I hope someone trumps you.
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Post by dawleyshrew59 on Nov 24, 2010 20:37:30 GMT 1
Heard a rumour to-day that there was about a 100 tinpot fans in with them,
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Nov 24, 2010 21:35:34 GMT 1
There was only about 25/30 tops looking to charge at the stewards or cause trouble continuously at max, the rest of the away following were chanting but well behaved, and then subdued as the game progressed towards the end, due to the scoreline and there lack of chances and effort on goal.
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Post by bertymax on Nov 24, 2010 22:38:39 GMT 1
If the sensational Jaytee was unmolested when he walked amongst the Hereford at their place, i can only assume judging by his mug shot that they thought he was one of them.
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Post by alex1993 on Nov 25, 2010 13:07:19 GMT 1
I don't know, crowd troubles at the SHREWSBURY! GASP..... Just a very few Tuesday nights ago YOU lot were moaning about OUR [gentle] banter up Hamil road!!! lol. oh he's back.
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Post by leoshrew67 on Nov 27, 2010 16:34:57 GMT 1
just a general comment but its one thing to have a 'pop' at stewards in general but i think it's unfair to single out particular stewards reguardless of what colour coat they wear , especially if they have no right of reply through B&A.
I know the particular gentleman in question as he is a and happen to know he does his job (or that that has been asked of him) to the best of his ability . the fact that a lot of people are moaning about him shows that he must be doing something right.
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Post by scooter on Nov 27, 2010 16:47:59 GMT 1
the fact that a lot of people are moaning about him shows that he must be doing something right. that seems to sum up his attitude - not happy unless he is telling others to stop doing something
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Post by fieldboy on Nov 27, 2010 20:14:49 GMT 1
Hell you lot are boring just get on with it we behaved a bit like Port Vale but thats life it wont be the first time Hereford fans have kicked it off and wont be the last but that was just handbags move on and go for promotion and forget about us as we look like we are heading for the trap door poor team and poor squad so you will have the last laugh and will forget about the Hereford naughty boys they will never go away.
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Post by leoshrew67 on Nov 27, 2010 23:28:52 GMT 1
the fact that a lot of people are moaning about him shows that he must be doing something right. that seems to sum up his attitude - not happy unless he is telling others to stop doing something well perhaps if more people behaved in a more civilised adult manner and......( I'm going to be contraversial here ) adheared to the ground regulations then perhaps there mite be no need for him to say anything to anybody , ive read a few message boards from away supporters who have praised not ridiculed him. never judge a book by its cover
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Nov 27, 2010 23:45:08 GMT 1
that seems to sum up his attitude - not happy unless he is telling others to stop doing something well perhaps if more people behaved in a more civilised adult manner and......( I'm going to be contraversial here ) adheared to the ground regulations then perhaps there mite be no need for him to say anything to anybody , ive read a few message boards from away supporters who have praised not ridiculed him. never judge a book by its cover any links for this praise?
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Post by theNOTORIOUSfbs on Nov 28, 2010 1:22:48 GMT 1
Hell you lot are boring just get on with it we behaved a bit like Port Vale but thats life it wont be the first time Hereford fans have kicked it off and wont be the last but that was just handbags move on and go for promotion and forget about us as we look like we are heading for the trap door poor team and poor squad so you will have the last laugh and will forget about the Hereford naughty boys they will never go away. THE HEREFORD NAUGHTY BOYS......Hmmmmmm When I've been down to Hereford THE 'THE HEREFORD NAUGHTY BOYS' have been a bunch of masturbators! Throwing rocks in the car park at 'normal fans' (like me) searching for their car, knee up to water in your f***ing car park, pensioners, dads with kids etc. Just because you lunged at an advertising board don't think you're big news.
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Post by Bordershrew on Nov 28, 2010 12:50:42 GMT 1
Hell you lot are boring just get on with it we behaved a bit like Port Vale but thats life it wont be the first time Hereford fans have kicked it off and wont be the last but that was just handbags move on and go for promotion and forget about us as we look like we are heading for the trap door poor team and poor squad so you will have the last laugh and will forget about the Hereford naughty boys they will never go away. THE HEREFORD NAUGHTY BOYS......Hmmmmmm When I've been down to Hereford THE 'THE HEREFORD NAUGHTY BOYS' have been a bunch of masturbators! Throwing rocks in the car park at 'normal fans' (like me) searching for their car, knee up to water in your Fliping car park, pensioners, dads with kids etc. Just because you lunged at an advertising board don't think you're big news. I hear the Mansfield naughty boys had the Welsh naughty boys running for cover yesterday ? Punching above your weight FBS?
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