limacharli
Midland League Division Two
And in comes Sobers bowling from the Gasworks end!!
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Post by limacharli on Nov 24, 2010 2:39:33 GMT 1
i think the fact is stfc dont pay for the policing unless they are employed, and once they are stfc have to pay for the whole days policing which is not cheap whoever made the decision, maybe at half time to bring in the police it was probably the right decision though why cant we just employ the police dog the appearance of the furry friend seemed to end all plans of hereford fans visiting block 19 speaking of which, when the goal went in and the away fans charged toward block 19, would it not have been a good idea for someone to quickly pull out the spare goal posts and catch them like a fly in a spiders web Carrots in Nets seems you have hit on something there Pilch
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Post by bertymax on Nov 24, 2010 8:54:48 GMT 1
Im afraid there was always a likelihood of a bit of bother last night, We certainly have our share of idiots but Hereford beat us hands down I.M.O and as one previous poster has mentioned on a different thread, in the small towns near the S Shrops/N Herefs border there is alot of rivalry and in places it gets pretty unpleasant. (Any South Shrops shrew will be aware of Leominster based Hereford supporters in particular)
A Hereford supporting friend of mine told me they caused trouble at most of their away matches last season and despite their feeble home support, they still take serious numbers to most away matches including a hardcore of the above mentioned idiots. It was pretty shortsighted of STFC management not to request a more substantial Police presence inside the ground last night
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Post by petetheloon on Nov 24, 2010 11:15:28 GMT 1
I know exactly who you mean but he won't get thrown out because they are mates!!! Every game there is fowl and racist abuse and threatening behaviour and nothing is ever done despite reporting him repeatedly
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Post by capitalsalopian on Nov 24, 2010 11:18:28 GMT 1
If the police were present surely they should be the ones who decide if they are needed. a streaker running on to the pitch is something stewards are employed for. 100's of idiots wanting to get at eachother and being violent, causing CRIMINAL damage etc is surely something the police would act on if they passed it in the street? why is it different in a stadium? Maybe should have some better Police who want to get their hands dirty and not just argue over who gets to hold the video camera!
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Post by SY3 on Nov 24, 2010 11:24:11 GMT 1
I found it all rather amusing and entertaining last night. Lets face it, it's all bravado from both sets of fans - if they really wanted to fight they could easily do it. Never seen Hereford fans so incensed before though - it will be interesting when we play them down there.
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Nov 24, 2010 11:30:28 GMT 1
Never seen Hereford fans so incensed before though Put youself in their shoes though TURNER - MESSIAH (15 years later no he's not) DAVEY - MESSIAH (2 months later no he's not) PITMAN - MESSIAH (1 month later no he's not) Having tried and failed with the Physio I expect the Gateman to be given a two week bash at the job. Pity Davey has trashed the budget with those 2 and 3 year contracts though
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Post by starlight on Nov 24, 2010 11:41:16 GMT 1
Both sets of fans had the chance for a mass punch up, but nothing really kicked off, luckily for the club. Same thing is going to happen against Vale.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Nov 24, 2010 11:42:25 GMT 1
Both sets of fans had the chance for a mass punch up, but nothing really kicked off, luckily for the club. Same thing is going to happen against Vale. Only they'll be twice as many away fans, and probably three times as many spoiling for some trouble. The club had better be prepared for that one
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 24, 2010 11:43:17 GMT 1
It will be interesting when we play them down there. So do folk think it might well be moved on police advice? It’s a fair way off of course. However, yesterday clearly showed the potential for trouble and couple that with how the season looks as though its heading…it could well be a very tense occasion. If Town are still vying for promotion then we’ll take as many as Hereford can accommodate. Hereford might well be scrapping to stay in the football league. How many away fans can be accommodated at the ‘new’ Edgar Street?
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Post by onthetrain92 on Nov 24, 2010 11:43:23 GMT 1
I think the Hereford mob just aint very clued up what can happen at a football ground if you play up, If they wanted to break through and fight us they could have done it easy before the police arrived but they bottled it. They played up within there own means and certainly would have been outnumbered had they decided to try to take on the block 19 which they ddin't because they bottled it and mouthed off instead. They were on a loss from the beginning and made things worse and more embarrassing for themselves. Elton John advertising boards don't hit back and flags don't hit back. The away at Hereford will be very interesting. I imagine it will be a Sunday 12 o'clock kick off now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2010 11:48:23 GMT 1
Here's hoping - I can't make the game as it stands on the 23rd so for one time only I'll be happy if it's moved !!!
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Post by SY3 on Nov 24, 2010 11:50:01 GMT 1
It will be interesting when we play them down there. So do folk think it might well be moved on police advice? It’s a fair way off of course. However, yesterday clearly showed the potential for trouble and couple that with how the season looks as though its heading…it could well be a very tense occasion. If Town are still vying for promotion then we’ll take as many as Hereford can accommodate. Hereford might well be scr@pping to stay in the football league. How many away fans can be accommodated at the ‘new’ Edgar Street? To be honest i think it will be moved now - i was really looking forward to that game too. I have only passed through Hereford and i have never even been to ES before so was looking forward to the day out there - i do hope it stays on the arranged date though.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Nov 24, 2010 11:51:02 GMT 1
Here's hoping - I can't make the game as it stands on the 23rd so for one time only I'll be happy if it's moved !!! Heres hoping it isn't moved, would be lots more difficult for me on a Sunday! Any chance of a Saturday 12 o'clock kick off, noticed Cardiff have had a fair few of these this season, against teams such as Millwall, Leeds, Bristol?
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Post by SY3 on Nov 24, 2010 11:52:04 GMT 1
Never seen Hereford fans so incensed before though Put youself in their shoes though TURNER - MESSIAH (15 years later no he's not) DAVEY - MESSIAH (2 months later no he's not) PITMAN - MESSIAH (1 month later no he's not) Having tried and failed with the Physio I expect the Gateman to be given a two week bash at the job. Pity Davey has trashed the budget with those 2 and 3 year contracts though Yeah, they really are in a terrible state. They must be so envious of our club's situation at the moment. We just are a better club in ever department - if they go down i really do fear for them.
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Post by blum on Nov 24, 2010 11:53:01 GMT 1
Both sets of fans had the chance for a mass punch up, but nothing really kicked off, luckily for the club. Same thing is going to happen against Vale. Only they'll be twice as many away fans, and probably three times as many spoiling for some trouble. The club had better be prepared for that one I agree, hopefully this will be a lesson learnt. IMO the inbreds never intended having a ruck, it was all BULL (npi), however, it really shows that there will be opportunities for away thugs to get into the West stand unless something sensible is done at high profile games. I understand that we have to pay the old bill if they come in and assist with crowd trouble, so what? if it's a serious potential public order offence then they should be there. Take the flag for an example. Ok it was on private property, does that make it okay for the coppers to stand and do nothing? If I went to B&Q and ripped down their advertising diplays there would be coppers there in minutes and I would be prosecuted for willful damage. After the game I went to the power league, on reaching the corner of East & North we were confronted by stewards and police stopping us from going despite the fact that the inbreds had left. The look of disgust and distain on the coppers faces because we were football fans makes me mad, too often they come down with OTT attiitudes when there is absolutley nothing to worry about but when things get tasty they stay "observing". Personally I would like to congratulate some of the stewards last night, they were outnumbered 20 to 1 in front of horrible thugs, and the couple who tried to save the flag should be applauded. I hope the Hereford chairmen & management make a statement and condemn their so called supporters (only the mindless minority of them tho).
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Post by captainpike on Nov 24, 2010 11:55:34 GMT 1
Every game there is fowl and racist abuse. It's only a poultry number of people though.
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Post by Dale on Nov 24, 2010 12:16:53 GMT 1
Cant see the date of the game being moved as its on a Easter Saturday so they cant move it to the Sunday because of the Easter Monday game, they could move it to the Good Friday I suppose but would that deter the hooligans? Probably not.
I reckon the game will still be on the Saturday, but with a 12noon kick off.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Nov 24, 2010 12:28:05 GMT 1
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Post by simianus on Nov 24, 2010 12:31:37 GMT 1
"This season Hereford United has worked closer than ever with the local police force to ensure the safety and enjoyment for fans coming to games and will do everything it can to maintain it's good reputation." looks like their liason with the police is the same standard as the football they play
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Post by Barthez2104 on Nov 24, 2010 13:00:13 GMT 1
Surely common sense has to prevail and the police get involved when they could see that the stewards clearly couldn't cope. Do they stand and watch waiting to be asked when there's trouble at kicking out time. No, so why do it at football. Useless bunch of ..... After all, is this not why we pay our taxes and council tax to feel save.
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Post by Amsterdammer on Nov 24, 2010 13:10:35 GMT 1
Surely common sense has to prevail and the police get involved when they could see that the stewards clearly couldn't cope. Do they stand and watch waiting to be asked when there's trouble at kicking out time. No, so why do it at football. Useless bunch of ..... After all, is this not why we pay our taxes and council tax to feel save. There's a slightly wider aspect to that. It's more worrying if police see trouble where they can help and don't get involved until they're paid to do so. If Matron sees a guy collapsed on the street, does he leave him as he's not getting paid? I thought their role in society was to step in if there help was needed, not worry about who's paying the bill first. If it was a punch-up in a night club reception area, would they just sit in their cars and watch it kick off? Worrying that they don't step in regardless of who calls them.
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Post by simianus on Nov 24, 2010 13:18:26 GMT 1
the whole police thing confuses me. i'm told the club have to pay because it is private property (please correct me if i'm wrong), but if a bunch of lads started smashing up my house, i wouldnt have to pay.
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Post by blum on Nov 24, 2010 13:25:32 GMT 1
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Post by stfcfan87 on Nov 24, 2010 14:11:36 GMT 1
I think the Hereford mob just aint very clued up what can happen at a football ground if you play up, If they wanted to break through and fight us they could have done it easy before the police arrived but they bottled it. They played up within there own means and certainly would have been outnumbered had they decided to try to take on the block 19 which they ddin't because they bottled it and mouthed off instead. They were on a loss from the beginning and made things worse and more embarrassing for themselves. Elton John advertising boards don't hit back and flags don't hit back. The away at Hereford will be very interesting. I imagine it will be a Sunday 12 o'clock kick off now. This is the kind of comment that we could do without - are people that moronic that they actually go to football matches for that kind of thing? or actually seem to relish that happening? 'break through and fight us' , 'bottled it and mouthed off instead' god
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Post by shrewsace on Nov 24, 2010 14:53:09 GMT 1
When you've got a defence as shaky as Hereford's you can understand why their fans spend most of the game touching cloth.
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Post by mrmagoo on Nov 24, 2010 14:55:50 GMT 1
the whole police thing confuses me. i'm told the club have to pay because it is private property (please correct me if i'm wrong), but if a bunch of lads started smashing up my house, i wouldnt have to pay. Correct
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Post by daveshrew on Nov 24, 2010 15:09:21 GMT 1
Only they'll be twice as many away fans, and probably three times as many spoiling for some trouble. The club had better be prepared for that one I agree, hopefully this will be a lesson learnt. IMO the inbreds never intended having a ruck, it was all BULL (npi), however, it really shows that there will be opportunities for away thugs to get into the West stand unless something sensible is done at high profile games. I understand that we have to pay the old bill if they come in and assist with crowd trouble, so what? if it's a serious potential public order offence then they should be there. Take the flag for an example. Ok it was on private property, does that make it okay for the coppers to stand and do nothing? If I went to B&Q and ripped down their advertising diplays there would be coppers there in minutes and I would be prosecuted for willful damage. After the game I went to the power league, on reaching the corner of East & North we were confronted by stewards and police stopping us from going despite the fact that the inbreds had left. The look of disgust and distain on the coppers faces because we were football fans makes me mad, too often they come down with OTT attiitudes when there is absolutley nothing to worry about but when things get tasty they stay "observing". Personally I would like to congratulate some of the stewards last night, they were outnumbered 20 to 1 in front of horrible thugs, and the couple who tried to save the flag should be applauded. I hope the Hereford chairmen & management make a statement and condemn their so called supporters (only the mindless minority of them tho). Great post.
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Post by theNOTORIOUSfbs on Nov 24, 2010 16:10:46 GMT 1
You get this behaviour at every 'derby game'. And you also have the 'Imaginary Wall Syndrone' where rival chavs are giving it the big one at each other but when it comes to the nitty gritty they are faced by the 'Imaginary Wall' All they want to do is posture, look menacing, throw a couple of plastic cups in the air, and chant and point menacingly with their arms outstretched.
Here is a good example of Millwall facing the 'Imaginary Wall'
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Post by theNOTORIOUSfbs on Nov 24, 2010 16:11:36 GMT 1
The Imaginary Wall
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Post by allwright on Nov 24, 2010 16:18:08 GMT 1
What a pity that the trouble kicked off after such a brilliant goal. Any true football followers would have applauded Mark Wright's effort. Home and away fans alike.
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