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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Sept 23, 2010 17:49:00 GMT 1
least some of them got the chance to study some other religions. i did 2 GCSEs in RE, and they were titled Christianity and Christian Beliefs. i gave up, as did many others of all sorts of religions. and all of this was in 2005!
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Post by barrynic on Sept 23, 2010 18:13:16 GMT 1
I love the irony that the little Englanders on here are the ones with the poorest grasp of the English language. So by that statement Ant most of the mods are "Little Englanders"
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Post by nicko on Sept 23, 2010 18:35:39 GMT 1
I used try and skive RE, it was e.
When I did turn up I spent the hour trying to look at V**** B*****'s budding cleavage without being caught.
Guess I'm going straight to hell.
See you there Heavenly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 18:48:20 GMT 1
Refers to the thread not the board Barry!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 23, 2010 19:00:38 GMT 1
RE is a very mixed bag. I remember playing a most bizarre boardgame to teach us about hinduism where you went up and down levels every time you were reincarnated.
As a Christian myself I have a fairly open mind about RE lessons. That said, I would not want my children to watch 95% of the money grabbing American nonsense on the "God Channel".
I do think parents should have the right to remove children from RE lessons as a point of personal conscience.
That said, my experience at Meole Brace in the 1990s was that RE lessons were very poorly taught, with a bizarre curriculum and lack of insight into the key tenets of British protestantism.
I would suggest any staunchly atheist parents have nothing to fear because had I not experienced different I would have been put off for life.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Sept 23, 2010 19:18:19 GMT 1
I am white, both of celtic, possibly roman and possibly anglo saxon race, my celtic side of my family is indigenous to Great Britain, it was my families island before the queen's family even arrived. In theory its my country more so than hers. Its certainly more my country than somebody from Asia or Africa's. Just a quick question to your interesting post, my father was born in India where no doubt his family had lived for thousands of years. my mothers family are English - Welsh as far back as we have traced (roughly 1820). My question is as you state this is your Island more than is others is it yours more, less or the same as mine ? Many thanks.
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Post by shrewsace on Sept 23, 2010 19:20:10 GMT 1
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That said, my experience at Meole Brace in the 1990s was that RE lessons were very poorly taught, with a bizarre curriculum and lack of insight into the key tenets of British protestantism.
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Did you not learn about Brian Fisher the Miracle Boy?
One of my highlights of RE was when Mr Fisher said there was too much emphasis was on sex and it wasn't the only way to express love, as disabled people for example couldn't have sex.
Then one of my class mates siggested "they could have oral"
I think Mr F dismissed the idea as 'perverted'.
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Post by lionshrew on Sept 23, 2010 19:32:59 GMT 1
Typical just pulling the racism card again.
We need to stand up to the these Muslims. Not being racist by the way.
It's time to tell these foriegners if you want to live here in the UK you addear to UK laws. That means your child will attend school and take part in all lessons that includes RE.
We have to learn about their religion so why don't they have to learn about ours.
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Post by scooter on Sept 23, 2010 19:54:01 GMT 1
Typical just pulling the racism card again. We need to stand up to the these Muslims. Not being racist by the way. It's time to tell these foriegners if you want to live here in the UK you addear to UK laws. That means your child will attend school and take part in all lessons that includes RE. We have to learn about their religion so why don't they have to learn about ours. it was heavenley's post - is he playing the "race card" ? second point - yeah right they are adhering to the law and choosing to opt out of RE - as people of various religions have done for many years who made you learn about other religions ?
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Post by onthetrain92 on Sept 23, 2010 20:19:44 GMT 1
I find a walking post box intimidating. If i walked around a shopping centre with a balaclava or a mask on i'd get arrested.
I aint no little Englander or even English i'm much more than that, lets say British and indigenous. I'd rather say my country not ours. These people need to show us respect, you come in my house you take your shoes off at the door.
What would you do if you left the front door open and somebody decided to come in your house and make themselves at home univited. I'd personally use extreme force to remove them from my house. I bet some of you would say would you like a cup of tea and a biscuit.
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Post by onthetrain92 on Sept 23, 2010 20:21:17 GMT 1
Typical just pulling the racism card again. We need to stand up to the these Muslims. Not being racist by the way. It's time to tell these foriegners if you want to live here in the UK you addear to UK laws. That means your child will attend school and take part in all lessons that includes RE. We have to learn about their religion so why don't they have to learn about ours. Top post that when in rome do as the romans do.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 23, 2010 21:48:51 GMT 1
Get rid of RE period. If you want to learn about religion there's churches mosques and Songs of Praise. I'm just going to knock the local vicar's door to see if he can help with my daughter's maths homework.
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Post by salopian5 on Sept 23, 2010 22:07:43 GMT 1
Typical just pulling the racism card again. We need to stand up to the these Muslims. Not being racist by the way. It's time to tell these foriegners if you want to live here in the UK you addear to UK laws. That means your child will attend school and take part in all lessons that includes RE. We have to learn about their religion so why don't they have to learn about ours. Lots of confusion in this thread.Religion is not a race issue,it has it's own entry in the bigotry encyclopedia. Please enlighten me about "these Muslims" and "these foreigners".Who are they? What have they done that needs standing up to. As pointed out above,it's not unlawful to have your child miss RE lessons.Usually,it tends to be those from strongly religious families,who are reluctant for their child to hear about other ideas in case(shock horror) they start believing in something else or even worse,nothing at all!(imagine). I'm sure most 'foreigners' are far more aware of having to adhere to UK laws than the rest of us are,seeing us some would have us believe they get away with murder(metaphorically or otherwise). No one has to learn about RE.Even if you cant get out of attending lessons,you'll never learn anything if you just switch off.You only learn things if you want to. Finally,I've noticed several people mentioning coming from an"indigenous" background.Will this nonsense never cease?Britain became uninhabited during the last ice age(ie,a population of zero).Since then,every single person to ever live in the British Isles is,or is descended from,an immigrant.Get over it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 22:23:12 GMT 1
From being a thread loosely based on freedom of choice, it seems to have degenerated into a "i,m more English than you" rant. Pity some of you did,nt take more notice in your History lessons. I think if you did you would find that what makes us "English" is our diversity, based on our willingness to adapt and accept influences from outside our shores.
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Post by shrewsace on Sept 23, 2010 22:39:08 GMT 1
Typical just pulling the racism card again. We need to stand up to the these Muslims. Not being racist by the way. It's time to tell these foriegners if you want to live here in the UK you addear to UK laws. That means your child will attend school and take part in all lessons that includes RE. We have to learn about their religion so why don't they have to learn about ours. If it was the law that every child has to attend RE lessons, then they would be required to 'adhere' to it. A lad I went to school with was a Jehovah's Witness and did not attend RE lessons or religious assemblies on the request of his parents. What is 'our' religion? Many people don't attend church or participate in any form of worship.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Sept 24, 2010 0:17:38 GMT 1
where does it say in UK law that you have to attend school, never mind a single class. Loads of people home school their children, and i imagine a fair amount of those are christians.
Mr Fisher, theres a blast from the past, and not a great on. suspect he was a large reason why we did mainly christianity in RE. Remember him using several tactics to try and change peoples mind over things that i felt wasn't given a balanced argument. eg Abortion, Marriage He just forced his opinions on school kids who werent confident or simply thought about matters enough.
and 'our religion'. I and most of the people I know have no affinity to any religion and would feel quite offended being banded together with christianity
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Sept 24, 2010 8:41:32 GMT 1
Religious Education is a compulsory subject in the state education system in the United Kingdom. Schools are required to teach a programme of religious studies according to local and national guidelines. But the Education Act of 1996 allows pupils to be educated in accordance with the wishes of their parents. So they are with in the law to withhold their children from RE lessons. When I went to school, I had lessons with Mr Chester and sat next to a lad that was a Jehovah s Witness, which was great for me (being an agnostic at an early age). He didn't have to study, so needed some one to talk to though out the lesson I have learnt allot about other Religions since I have left school. The fact that the Muslim religion is close to Christianity seam to be a fact that most people tend to over look. They believe in the same God. they believe in Christ, but as a man not the son of God and the bible is a religious book. As for looking like a post box. The Koran states women should be moderately dressed, but some people go to extremes which is more a cultural thing than religion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2010 9:37:53 GMT 1
I find a walking post box intimidating. If i walked around a shopping centre with a balaclava or a mask on i'd get arrested. No you wouldnt unless of coarse you had just robbed the bank and forgotten to take it off. why do you find women in Burqas frightening? i think lads in hoodies can be a bit intimidating especially for older people, shall we ban them?I aint no little Englander or even English i'm much more than that, lets say British and indigenous. Wow i would be really proud. I'd rather say my country not ours. These people need to show us respect. Who is "us". What have you done to earn their respect? Any respect i get off anyone, regardless of who, what and where, i prefer to earnyou come in my house you take your shoes off at the door. we have a door mat that says "welcome" and its shaped like a catWhat would you do if you left the front door open and somebody decided to come in your house and make themselves at home univited. I'd personally use extreme force to remove them from my house. I bet some of you would say would you like a cup of tea and a biscuit. I would firstly say something like "who the hell are you, get out" and if they didnt i would call the police. i would then want to know who the hell left the front door open. but if i lived in a house that wasnt just my home, it was lots of different peoples homes, i would say something like "Hi, you ok?" unless of coarse they where breaking the house rules or something in which case i would get them thrown out [ Top post that when in rome do as the romans do. very true, but when the romans came to britain they didnt give up their spa baths, beautiful clothes and jewelry, great transport links, wines ect and start living like the indigenous pigs that lived here at the time. they didnt all start worshiping at stonehenge either.
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Post by froggy on Sept 24, 2010 10:07:25 GMT 1
Very interesting answers to this question which Heavenly bought up.
My personal opinion is that R.E should no longer be a 'compulsary' subject as a large number of people are not religious anymore. There were 23 people in my form group at school and 3 of them were religious. The other 20 of us put no effort into R.E and when given the choice at GCSE happily ignored that subject. A year of 140+ students and the school struggled to make two classes of R.E GCSE students. My friends from other schools tell my similar stories. There is a huge amount of people in the UK who are athiest and have no desire to learn about the other religions. The parents choice of not allowing their children to do R.E is justified and reasonable in my opinion. Its no different to a parent (a large majority would) objecting to their child learning 'urdu' at school. If that became compulsary then there would be an outrage!
OnTheTrain ... Your country/island. Brilliant, so is it therefore the neanderthals island who lived here during the ice age when the UK was combined to Europe? Is it the Italians island more than yours. These prejeduced views and racist outlooks are disgraceful. Throughout my school-life I was constantly called a 'p**i' after people found out about my Indian ancestry. Therefore making me feel no pride to call myself English. My country of birth, Deutschland, I was never treated as some outsider for being 'English' or olive skinned there so because of these narrow minded people I regard myself as Deutsch over English.
My time in England has been brilliant though, I wouldn't change it for anything. Living in Telford for the past 7 years has been amazing. I've gone to school with Muslims, Hindu's, Sikhs, Christians, Catholics, Buddhist, and other national students. I've grown up in a multi-cultural society and this has helped me to understand other religions and people far more than any R.E lesson taught me. I feel it is a shame that we have to few people of different nationalities as 'foreigners'. I like to think of them as British citizens.
This is only my opinion, I can fully understand other people's opinions of having R.E a compulsary subject. =]
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2010 12:38:15 GMT 1
An interesting discussion overtaken by dickheads who have more fear than intelligence.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Sept 24, 2010 12:48:47 GMT 1
Nice use of the word dickhead.welldone!!
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Post by thebosun on Sept 24, 2010 12:55:41 GMT 1
For all this "turn the other cheek" rhetoric perhaps we should beware that if you do not fight to hold on to what you have then others may take it from you. cheerio
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Post by scooter on Sept 24, 2010 13:25:39 GMT 1
For all this "turn the other cheek" rhetoric perhaps we should beware that if you do not fight to hold on to what you have then others may take it from you. cheerio cheerio
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2010 14:17:17 GMT 1
Best begin by fighting the elected powers that be who during the previous 15 years have been happy to encroach upon our civil libberties with the tag line
"if you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" Hhhhm maybe we should ask Charles De menzies..... oh yeah he's dead.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Sept 24, 2010 14:49:45 GMT 1
Very interesting answers to this question which Heavenly bought up. My personal opinion is that R.E should no longer be a 'compulsary' subject as a large number of people are not religious anymore. There were 23 people in my form group at school and 3 of them were religious. The other 20 of us put no effort into R.E and when given the choice at GCSE happily ignored that subject. A year of 140+ students and the school struggled to make two classes of R.E GCSE students. My friends from other schools tell my similar stories. There is a huge amount of people in the UK who are athiest and have no desire to learn about the other religions. The parents choice of not allowing their children to do R.E is justified and reasonable in my opinion. Its no different to a parent (a large majority would) objecting to their child learning 'urdu' at school. If that became compulsary then there would be an outrage! OnTheTrain ... Your country/island. Brilliant, so is it therefore the neanderthals island who lived here during the ice age when the UK was combined to Europe? Is it the Italians island more than yours. These prejeduced views and racist outlooks are disgraceful. Throughout my school-life I was constantly called a 'p**i' after people found out about my Indian ancestry. Therefore making me feel no pride to call myself English. My country of birth, Deutschland, I was never treated as some outsider for being 'English' or olive skinned there so because of these narrow minded people I regard myself as Deutsch over English. My time in England has been brilliant though, I wouldn't change it for anything. Living in Telford for the past 7 years has been amazing. I've gone to school with Muslims, Hindu's, Sikhs, Christians, Catholics, Buddhist, and other national students. I've grown up in a multi-cultural society and this has helped me to understand other religions and people far more than any R.E lesson taught me. I feel it is a shame that we have to few people of different nationalities as 'foreigners'. I like to think of them as British citizens. This is only my opinion, I can fully understand other people's opinions of having R.E a compulsary subject. =] agreed really. There seems little point in having RE as a compulsory subject, when it seems it is taught so badly. I wish it was taught better, i have no problem with learning about different religions, it is just i didn't and when it was tried it was just taught as if 'these silly people who don't want to be christians, here are their funny little ways'. so patronising. If it is still like that i think it has to be an opt in subject, just like theology is that you can do at Sixth Form.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Sept 24, 2010 14:50:58 GMT 1
not sure what happened there!
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Post by proud2bashrew on Sept 24, 2010 20:41:58 GMT 1
Just because a horse is born in a barn dont mean its a cow just like a pakistani born in great britain don't mean they are british
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2010 20:50:22 GMT 1
Just because a horse is born in a barn dont mean its a cow just like a pakistani born in great britain don't mean they are british Sorry, and this may get deleted, but you have just won the "s**t for brains" award 2010. I know theres 3 months to go, but you win it now, ****ing hands down.
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Post by onthetrain92 on Sept 24, 2010 21:12:40 GMT 1
From being a thread loosely based on freedom of choice, it seems to have degenerated into a "i,m more English than you" rant. Pity some of you did,nt take more notice in your History lessons. I think if you did you would find that what makes us "English" is our diversity, based on our willingness to adapt and accept influences from outside our shores. English? Britons were around way before Kingdoms of Mercia, Wessex, Northumberland and the Principality of Wales merged to become England on the 12th of July 927AD. An interesting discussion overtaken by dickheads who have more fear than intelligence. Really I beg to differ, quite the opposite infact. Just because a horse is born in a barn dont mean its a cow just like a pakistani born in great britain don't mean they are british Sorry, and this may get deleted, but you have just won the "s**t for brains" award 2010. I know theres 3 months to go, but you win it now, Flippin hands down. I think thats a good assumption, how many of those Pakistani cricket fans I saw the other day waving there cresant moon Pakistan flag were born in England or Wales? I'd say 95% of them so that tells me there is a lack of respect from them towards our country as if the were English or Welsh they would be supporting us.
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Post by proud2bashrew on Sept 24, 2010 21:23:39 GMT 1
Cheers baystonblue how can you defend the pakistani's living in this country?Did you read Graeme Swann's column in the sun,'british pakistani's' verbally abusing our cricket team in a cockney accent!!!!They get away with murder and our shambles of a government just let them do it.
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