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Post by heavenlyshrew on Sept 23, 2010 9:59:53 GMT 1
Someone i know who lives in Bradford and just told me this.
2 out of 10 muslim parents are stopping their kids do RE in public schools as they are taught about the Christian and other churches throughout the world do you think this is a good thing for a parent to do?
Your thoughts.
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Post by Minor on Sept 23, 2010 10:17:07 GMT 1
Someone i know who lives in Bradford and just told me this. 2 out of 10 muslim parents are stopping their kids do RE in public schools as they are taught about the Christian and other churches throughout the world do you think this is a good thing for a parent to do? Your thoughts. Shock......Horror........... When I was at Secondary School 1977-81, we had a girl who's parents were jw's and they refused to let her attend assembly or RE lessons, so its not as if that is a new occurence.
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Post by d00bie on Sept 23, 2010 10:19:11 GMT 1
I think there has always been a choice, I vaguely remember 2 kids in my class at belvidere being let out of Mr billets RE class because of their religious beliefs.
Also if you turn your statement around and if the school was primarily muslim/asian pupiled and the RE was muslim based wouldn't you want your children to be excluded from that class.
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Post by alex1993 on Sept 23, 2010 12:01:46 GMT 1
surely the saying our country, our believes come in to mind. we study and take their religion into mind so surely they should do the same. and by the way this is not a racist post it's just a saying i always got taught to believe
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Post by limacharli on Sept 23, 2010 12:12:17 GMT 1
Question is if the Christian Church would be allowed to build a cathedral in Basra or Baghdad and have an entire channel on Iraq television dedicated to English programmes . Why consider a mosque being built at ground zero in New York,? try building it at Ground Zero in Hiroshima . Or have a dance hall built at Bergen Belsen . It is abhorrrent to some but others would feel no bad feelings over it . Point of view of individuals are different to everyone no right or wrong only differences of opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 12:21:10 GMT 1
surely the saying our country, our believes come in to mind. we study and take their religion into mind so surely they should do the same. and by the way this is not a racist post it's just a saying i always got taught to believe Shouldn't it be "beliefs" not "believes"? I think it's very much a nothing story based on nothing more than hearsay/ conjecture from Heavenly.
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Post by islaymalt on Sept 23, 2010 12:32:22 GMT 1
Bit of a loaded question, Heavenly but, as a prime target for it, I thought I'd better reply. As said, already, it's very much a question of choice but, from my perspective, if the term "RE" represented a balanced view; history, culture, belief systems etc of all major (and minor for that matter) world beliefs and faiths then, no I don't believe it's a good thing as it deprives the children of a rounded education and a deeper understanding of the multi-cultural world we live in. If, on the other hand, the classes are conducted in a manner that promotes one as the 'true faith' at the expence of the others, then I can fully understand why parents would not wish their children to be taught things that are alien to their culture and history. There mate. I've answered you. Any chance of doing me the same service in the future, instead of hiding away?
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Post by Minor on Sept 23, 2010 12:34:20 GMT 1
surely the saying our country, our believes come in to mind. we study and take their religion into mind so surely they should do the same. and by the way this is not a racist post it's just a saying i always got taught to believe I think it's very much a nothing story based on nothing more than hearsay/ conjecture from Heavenly. Shurely shome mishtake Mr Thomas
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Post by Amsterdammer on Sept 23, 2010 12:36:56 GMT 1
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 23, 2010 12:36:59 GMT 1
Couple of kids from a Jehovah Witness family did the same when I was a kid. I tried to get out of Rugby in PE on religious grounds. Didn't work.
RE is something I put on the same level as kids learning nursery rhymes or having Watership Down read to them.
If they want to believe that stuff it's up to them.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Sept 23, 2010 12:40:43 GMT 1
surely the saying our country, our believes come in to mind. we study and take their religion into mind so surely they should do the same. and by the way this is not a racist post it's just a saying i always got taught to believe Shouldn't it be "beliefs" not "believes"? I think it's very much a nothing story based on nothing more than hearsay/ conjecture from Heavenly. A decent and balanced veiw so far....... well nearly
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Post by scooter on Sept 23, 2010 13:07:30 GMT 1
I am surprised it is as low as 20%
Roman Catholics didn't come to RE lessons when I was at Priory
Isn't this a religious query not a political one ?
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Post by shrewsace on Sept 23, 2010 13:18:15 GMT 1
Weird question to address to 'the lefties'.
Who said 'religion is the opium of the people' again?
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Post by Minor on Sept 23, 2010 13:44:10 GMT 1
Weird question to address to 'the lefties'. Good point, as people may have noticed in my subtle political nuances, I am hardly a 'leftie'
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Post by Throbbing Gristle on Sept 23, 2010 13:45:08 GMT 1
I think when you've got a right wing fascist addressing someone moderately tolerant, then you will always been seen as a leftie...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 13:48:48 GMT 1
surely the saying our country, our believes come in to mind. we study and take their religion into mind so surely they should do the same. can you define for me what is meant by "our". whose country is "our" country. to me, saying "our" country, conjures up images of neo nazi skinheads sat in a darkened smoke filled room around a table talking about how they are going to take back "our" country from the outsiders and immigrants. when you, or heavenly, or anyone else for that matter talks about "our" country, do not think for one minute it includes me. as for the issue, who cares. if a Muslim parent doesnt want their child taught about Christianity so what. if a Christian parent doesnt want their child taught about Islam then big deal. I know its a huge generalisation but i believe Muslims take their religion and faith far more seriously than most other faiths in Britain. Most "brits" couldnt give a toss about God and i think its fair to say that the pubs of this country see far more trade on a sunday than our churches do. so why on earth does the RE of Muslims make the slightest difference to anyone, least of all you Heavenly. I agree with Ant, non story, but thanks for at least starting an interesting discussion Martin
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 23, 2010 13:53:11 GMT 1
I think when you've got a right wing fascist addressing someone moderately tolerant, then you will always been seen as a leftie... Very good, exalted. No offence mind, Heavenly... Are there any teachers about on the board? What is actually taught in RE these days? Does it look to touch on just the Christian religion or is it a broad church (pardon the pun). Isn’t this an opportunity for kids to be exposed to the many religions in the world, what they are truly about, the differences, to learn about understanding and acceptance?
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Post by onthetrain92 on Sept 23, 2010 14:05:31 GMT 1
That should be part of the curiculum, if you want to live in Britain you must learn about all other cultures at school as we are multicultural Britain. If all they do is want to learn there own religion then maybe they should be thrown out the country, being seems more and more about becoming a muslim. How long until us non muslims have to obey our soon to be muslim masters. How long before all our wives and gf's have to walk around as what i can only say is dressed as a post box with arms and legs in which us men must have beards like Gimley of lord of the rings or father christmas. Well i say **** that!
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Post by onthetrain92 on Sept 23, 2010 14:14:18 GMT 1
surely the saying our country, our believes come in to mind. we study and take their religion into mind so surely they should do the same. can you define for me what is meant by "our". whose country is "our" country. to me, saying "our" country, conjures up images of neo nazi skinheads sat in a darkened smoke filled room around a table talking about how they are going to take back "our" country from the outsiders and immigrants. when you, or heavenly, or anyone else for that matter talks about "our" country, do not think for one minute it includes me. as for the issue, who cares. if a Muslim parent doesnt want their child taught about Christianity so what. if a Christian parent doesnt want their child taught about Islam then big deal. I know its a huge generalisation but i believe Muslims take their religion and faith far more seriously than most other faiths in Britain. Most "brits" couldnt give a toss about God and i think its fair to say that the pubs of this country see far more trade on a sunday than our churches do. so why on earth does the RE of Muslims make the slightest difference to anyone, least of all you Heavenly. I agree with Ant, non story, but thanks for at least starting an interesting discussion Martin I am white, both of celtic, possibly roman and possibly anglo saxon race, my celtic side of my family is indigenous to Great Britain, it was my families island before the queen's family even arrived. In theory its my country more so than hers. Its certainly more my country than somebody from Asia or Africa's. My little island which i wish to share with people who share my culture and beliefs, not those who force there foreign way of life on my doorstep. I didn't ask for mosques to be built on my lands.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 14:20:08 GMT 1
That should be part of the curiculum, if you want to live in Britain you must learn about all other cultures at school as we are multicultural Britain. If all they do is want to learn there own religion then maybe they should be thrown out the country, being seems more and more about becoming a muslim. How long until us non muslims have to obey our soon to be muslim masters. How long before all our wives and gf's have to walk around as what i can only say is dressed as a post box with arms and legs in which us men must have beards like Gimley of lord of the rings or father christmas. Well i say **** that! We are also a country that holds personal liberty and freedom of choice in the highest regard. personally, i dont see how a woman dressed like "a post box" is any more offensive to our staunch moral christian values than some teenage girl in a skirt so short you can see her knickers when she bends over.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Sept 23, 2010 14:23:02 GMT 1
That should be part of the curiculum, if you want to live in Britain you must learn about all other cultures at school as we are multicultural Britain. If all they do is want to learn there own religion then maybe they should be thrown out the country, being seems more and more about becoming a muslim. How long until us non muslims have to obey our soon to be muslim masters. How long before all our wives and gf's have to walk around as what i can only say is dressed as a post box with arms and legs in which us men must have beards like Gimley of lord of the rings or father christmas. Well i say **** that! We are also a country that holds personal liberty and freedom of choice in the highest regard. personally, i dont see how a woman dressed like "a post box" is any more offensive to our staunch moral christian values than some teenage girl in a skirt so short you can see her knickers when she bends over. I think i know which one you would rather look at though
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Post by captainpike on Sept 23, 2010 14:42:48 GMT 1
I am white, both of celtic, possibly roman and possibly anglo saxon race, my celtic side of my family is indigenous to Great Britain, it was my families island before the queen's family even arrived. In theory its my country more so than hers. Its certainly more my country than somebody from Asia or Africa's. My little island which i wish to share with people who share my culture and beliefs, not those who force there foreign way of life on my doorstep. I didn't ask for mosques to be built on my lands. A country is just a something defined by a line on a map. I identify with human beings. I identify with human beings of any creed, colour or faith and judge them each individually and on their merits. Where they were born has no bearing and where they live just as little. The whole thing about "this is my country" is such a bewildering argument. A nation state is an abstract thing - just there as a boundary between different governments. It is just luck (either good or bad) where you are born, a country should not define you and definately not be used to define others.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 14:45:48 GMT 1
[ I think i know which one you would rather look at though [I am white, both of celtic, possibly roman and possibly anglo saxon race, my celtic side of my family is indigenous to Great Britain, it was my families island before the queen's family even arrived. In theory its my country more so than hers. Its certainly more my country than somebody from Asia or Africa's. My little island which i wish to share with people who share my culture and beliefs, not those who force there foreign way of life on my doorstep. I didn't ask for mosques to be built on my lands. see that makes my point really, "our" country means something utterly different to you. i dont mind who lives here as long they abide by our laws. i dont mind what religions they follow as long as they are lawful, i dont object to Muslims building a mosque if they choose and local planning laws are followed. i wouldnt even mind going inside, taking my shoes off and saying a prayer. i dont mind if people dont share my values and beliefs, most native brits on this board dont share them anyway. i dont see this rock i happened to be born on as any better or worse than any other. i dont see it as my island at all. but its all about perspective i guess. this country is what it is today because of 2000 years of evolution, immigration and cross breeding, i have little doubt, despite your objections that that process will continue for another 2000 years. and if we all end up with beards like santa and dressing like letter boxes then at least we will have been saved from the path to complete moral bankruptcy and destruction that we, as a society with such high christian values, are at present heading towards.
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Post by africanshrew on Sept 23, 2010 14:55:50 GMT 1
can you define for me what is meant by "our". whose country is "our" country. to me, saying "our" country, conjures up images of neo nazi skinheads sat in a darkened smoke filled room around a table talking about how they are going to take back "our" country from the outsiders and immigrants. when you, or heavenly, or anyone else for that matter talks about "our" country, do not think for one minute it includes me. as for the issue, who cares. if a Muslim parent doesnt want their child taught about Christianity so what. if a Christian parent doesnt want their child taught about Islam then big deal. I know its a huge generalisation but i believe Muslims take their religion and faith far more seriously than most other faiths in Britain. Most "brits" couldnt give a toss about God and i think its fair to say that the pubs of this country see far more trade on a sunday than our churches do. so why on earth does the RE of Muslims make the slightest difference to anyone, least of all you Heavenly. I agree with Ant, non story, but thanks for at least starting an interesting discussion Martin I am white, both of celtic, possibly roman and possibly anglo saxon race, my celtic side of my family is indigenous to Great Britain, it was my families island before the queen's family even arrived. In theory its my country more so than hers. Its certainly more my country than somebody from Asia or Africa's. My little island which i wish to share with people who share my culture and beliefs, not those who force there foreign way of life on my doorstep. I didn't ask for mosques to be built on my lands. If your grandfather saved hundreds of lives in WW2 does that make you brave? Or if your great grandfather was a deserter in WW1 does that mean you shouldn't get any housing benefits today? Or if, god forbid, your parents were born on a different piece of soil does that makes you better or more entitled than other citizens? Its easy to hide behind history, especially if you are scared of being defined by your own actions, of earning your own respect and making your own way. I suggest instead of finding division and difference you look for common ground and friendship. There's much of both in the world but one leaves you bitter and suspicious and the other makes you happy and fulfilled. Your choice.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 15:40:07 GMT 1
Any factual information backing up your anecdotal question? Its just according to tea party members the indiginous white man is oppressed and subjected to regular racism in America
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Sept 23, 2010 15:51:24 GMT 1
Any factual information backing up your anecdotal question? Its just according to tea party members the indiginous white man is oppressed and subjected to regular racism in America i like the way you used the word Any As i dont have a ****ing clue what anecdotal means.
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Post by shrewneil on Sept 23, 2010 15:54:51 GMT 1
That should be part of the curiculum, if you want to live in Britain you must learn about all other cultures at school Did you miss that lesson?
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Post by stfcfan87 on Sept 23, 2010 16:09:41 GMT 1
i wonder if this is going to be another topic that soon ends up being deleted by the mods.....
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Post by Minor on Sept 23, 2010 16:11:04 GMT 1
i wonder if this is going to be another topic that soon ends up being deleted by the mods..... I'm with the Rockers ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 17:41:51 GMT 1
I love the irony that the little Englanders on here are the ones with the poorest grasp of the English language.
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