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Post by Ned on Sept 8, 2010 17:47:51 GMT 1
This was suggested by RBA on the "Turner on Hart" thread. I have created a Facebook group for it, to which a few have already joined. Who would be willing to donate to this if it was put together as a project by STFC? Obviously, it would take time. Would be great for the club and the fans if it happened though. Would certainly add some history to our stadium. www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=128922020488232&v=wall&ref=mf
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Sept 8, 2010 18:04:46 GMT 1
Good idea but didnt the statue at stoke cost over £200,000
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Post by captainpike on Sept 8, 2010 18:45:07 GMT 1
Good idea but didnt the statue at stoke cost over £200,000 It's all dependant on material used. I think we'd be looking at anything from £70k up - but you have to start somewhere so why not now. Needs to be a co-ordinated effort with the club though obviously. And corporate sponsorship would seem to me thew only way to get close to the figure needed. Basically, you need a proper plan of action (meeting with the club, Rowleys relatives, possible sculpturs etc) before you even start looking for donations.
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Post by shrewd67 on Sept 8, 2010 18:55:28 GMT 1
Personally would not support any more than £50k of the club's money going towards a statue. We're a League 2 club who are pretty financially sound in terms of cash but like all clubs at our level we struggle to make a profit. A good idea but not a priority for me. Let's get the scoreboard and PA sorted!
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Post by dawleyshrew59 on Sept 8, 2010 19:31:52 GMT 1
what has happend to the flag ?
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Post by mrmagoo on Sept 8, 2010 20:04:35 GMT 1
Waste of money IMO. Whilst it would be a great tribute to have one, surely our priority is the youth team and first team strengthening to gain promotion. Having the funds to keep the club on an even keel is more of a priority. I would sooner have a promotion than a statue any day..
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Sept 8, 2010 20:21:36 GMT 1
Seems a bit short-sighted to want a promotion (1yr+) before a statue (200yrs+) Mr Magoo but then, should have gone to Specsavers! In seriousness, STFC badly needs some history, a nod to the past at Greenhous Meadow, a statue of the great Arthur Rowley would be a fantastic way of improving this aspect and would be there for countless generations of Salop fans. Would be good to also make an investment for the very long-term with the Hart money rather than using it up on loan deals etc, the lack of identity and soullessness of Greenhous Meadow is something which could do with some cash chucked at it, £50k from fans (a tenner each?) and £50k from STFC for a statue please!
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Post by OswestrySalopian on Sept 8, 2010 20:51:49 GMT 1
Would like to see a statue of a town legend at the front, Arthur Rowley surely?
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Post by blood red shrews on Sept 8, 2010 21:04:33 GMT 1
Maybe until this happens we buy a column and GT stands atop motionless for the 2 hours before the kick off.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 8, 2010 21:31:13 GMT 1
I don't think STFC should spend club funds on it.
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Post by jaytee on Sept 8, 2010 21:34:35 GMT 1
I don't think STFC should spend club funds on it. I would agree with that. I would love a statue of Arthur, but the money needs to come from other sources.
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Sept 8, 2010 21:39:27 GMT 1
I don't think STFC should spend club funds on it. I would agree with that. I would love a statue of Arthur, but the money needs to come from other sources. can I ask why you think the club shouldnt contribute?
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 8, 2010 21:50:41 GMT 1
On the whole I think i'm just about on the side of supporting the idea of a statue. Yes, it'll cost, but it will also be around for a very long time. It would go a long way to help the new fans reconnect with our 125 year history (as would some nice murals of old managers, players, golden footballing moments and maybe even the fans (!) on the concourses). As for spending the money on going up, well we're going to go up anyway and lets face it £100k on a dud player is possible especially in League One. So cash in football can easily be wasted. I believe the statue would meet a warm reception with fans young and old and this in turn may generate extra income. In short, it could well indirectly pay for itself over time. Maybe it'd be an investment not a cost. We could also ask the council to contribute. They pass around cash for statues like Mariah Carey at a rapper's convention.
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Post by jaytee on Sept 8, 2010 21:52:17 GMT 1
I would agree with that. I would love a statue of Arthur, but the money needs to come from other sources. can I ask why you think the club shouldnt contribute? Of course you can. I think we should look to bring sponsorship in. Also fans such as myself would be happy to contribute. Taking funds from the everyday running of the club in these times, when money is tight, would be playing with fire, in my opinion. I'd love a Rowley statue. I met him on a couple of occasions. But the future of the club must come first. Having said that, if a group of fans got together, I'm sure it could be done.
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Post by captainpike on Sept 8, 2010 21:52:22 GMT 1
I don't think STFC should spend club funds on it. That was the point I was making about corporate sponsorship, although I think - if they were keen on the idea - the club would have to put in some money. I wouldn't expect it to damage the playing budget, but a donation of £10-20k would be reasonable if they could afford it. But it's all guesswork at the moment obviously.
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 8, 2010 21:58:27 GMT 1
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Post by siabod on Sept 8, 2010 23:06:00 GMT 1
Met Ted Bates a few years ago, smashing man,but I would not recognize him from that statute if you gave me 50 guesses.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2010 0:03:59 GMT 1
Think the club should contribute, it should be a community things.
Arthur Rowley helped put the club on the map, he played and managed the club and continued to attend matches right up until his death (last game a 0-0 at home to Bournemouth the season we went down?)
The club should honour legends, it should honour those that built the foundations for what is in place today, not only this but it would be great PR, the media would be all over it and well it brings a bit of notablity to what is in essence a legoland ground on the edge of a park and ride retail estate.
£500K is a lot of money, and no doubt most of this will go to the running of the club and varioys investment, but to suggest the club would be unable to make a contribution to this worthwhile course I think would be rather disingenuous...
The supporters haven't asked for much, no supporters bar, lets be honest inconvenient parking arrangements and walking arrangements into the ground, bare naked concrete concourse, no note to the clubs extensive past and nothing but largely s**t football up until this season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2010 7:32:13 GMT 1
Good post
I know £500k is a lot of money for us but it is something that could very easily disapear on a few signings and players wages without having any benefit to the club.
I would like to see the money leave a lasting legacy and as said above, there is little at the ground to recognise the history of the club and anything that might please/make things more convenient for us fans has been paid/organised for by fellow fans, rather than the club (tv's in the stand, the new walkway behind the West Stand, Powerleague opening etc)
Yes I want the money to be used to help the club whether that be pay of debts or be used towards a promotion bid but in the long term, is £20 to £30k going to impact much on the club?
At least if we had a statue then in years to come we could recognise that a player we had who went on to play for England, payed for it
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Sept 9, 2010 9:29:48 GMT 1
Statue or taking the club forward?
No brainer for me.
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Post by nickjonesey on Sept 9, 2010 9:37:26 GMT 1
I think it's a great idea I've had my calculator out and if we had a campaign from now until the end of the season there are 20 home games (excluding cup/ England ladies etc). If every home fan was encouraged to throw £1 coin into a bucket as they come through the turnstyles you would soon rack up the cash. £1 x 4,500 (guestimate) x 20 games = £90,000. This could be co-ordinated by the Superblues or shrewsTrust or the club itself. Anyone on here a 'doer'
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Sept 9, 2010 9:44:02 GMT 1
Now that is a good idea Nick
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Post by Ned on Sept 9, 2010 10:12:54 GMT 1
I think it's a great idea I've had my calculator out and if we had a campaign from now until the end of the season there are 20 home games (excluding cup/ England ladies etc). If every home fan was encouraged to throw £1 coin into a bucket as they come through the turnstyles you would soon rack up the cash. £1 x 4,500 (guestimate) x 20 games = £90,000. This could be co-ordinated by the Superblues or shrewsTrust or the club itself. Anyone on here a 'doer' That is a very good idea
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Sept 9, 2010 10:39:59 GMT 1
No every fan would give you £1.... certinly not every week...
The ideas not a bad one however a starting point...
Frankley, we all know if this was to happen its going come from the fans... and would have to be a long term money raising thing.... over a couple of seasons...
There are however plenty of ideas to get it going
Direct cash collection at games Sposership of bottom of stone plinth regualr payments via electronic means over a year Fund raising from other enterprises (B and A, other fans groups, fanzine) Fund raising events
However as with everything it needs a leader, or leaders to start things off and get it off the ground... getting the money in for a flag of £300 has been a bit of a bind at times, looking to raise 70k - 100k would be an almighty challenge...
its been something talked about by fans on here for some time, but the logistics when you sit and think of it are so difficult it would be hard to even get it off the ground!
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Post by Amsterdammer on Sept 9, 2010 10:46:55 GMT 1
Apols if I have it wrong, but isn't this something the Shrews Trust could lead on, if they felt it a good cause?
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Post by nickjonesey on Sept 9, 2010 11:53:21 GMT 1
No every fan would give you £1.... certinly not every week... The ideas not a bad one however a starting point... Frankley, we all know if this was to happen its going come from the fans... and would have to be a long term money raising thing.... over a couple of seasons... There are however plenty of ideas to get it going Direct cash collection at games Sposership of bottom of stone plinth regualr payments via electronic means over a year Fund raising from other enterprises (B and A, other fans groups, fanzine) Fund raising events However as with everything it needs a leader, or leaders to start things off and get it off the ground... getting the money in for a flag of £300 has been a bit of a bind at times, looking to raise 70k - 100k would be an almighty challenge... its been something talked about by fans on here for some time, but the logistics when you sit and think of it are so difficult it would be hard to even get it off the ground! If it was done right then for every fan who wouldn't/ couldn't donate there might be one who gave £2 or more. The average would work out as £4,500 per game either way. Alternatively use the resource that is the Sovereign Club/ commercial support and begin an initiative for them to want to get involved. Not sure how a name on the actual base of the statue would look, but it is kind of an extension of the 'buy a brick' scheme for corporates. A starting point would be to research exactly how much would be needed, then work backwards.
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Post by africanshrew on Sept 9, 2010 12:07:58 GMT 1
Would a really good bust (no spersoning) do the same job for less cash? It would be nice to go for the full Bobby Moore/Cloughie but do folks think this might be a more affordable compromise?
I know nothing about sculptures and statues so may well be talking cr@p.
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Post by africanshrew on Sept 9, 2010 12:09:53 GMT 1
I love the way 'sn!ggering' got changed to 'spersoning' - i wasn't coming over all 'This is England', honest!
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Sept 9, 2010 12:22:15 GMT 1
No every fan would give you £1.... certinly not every week... The ideas not a bad one however a starting point... Frankley, we all know if this was to happen its going come from the fans... and would have to be a long term money raising thing.... over a couple of seasons... There are however plenty of ideas to get it going Direct cash collection at games Sposership of bottom of stone plinth regualr payments via electronic means over a year Fund raising from other enterprises (B and A, other fans groups, fanzine) Fund raising events However as with everything it needs a leader, or leaders to start things off and get it off the ground... getting the money in for a flag of £300 has been a bit of a bind at times, looking to raise 70k - 100k would be an almighty challenge... its been something talked about by fans on here for some time, but the logistics when you sit and think of it are so difficult it would be hard to even get it off the ground! If it was done right then for every fan who wouldn't/ couldn't donate there might be one who gave £2 or more. The average would work out as £4,500 per game either way. Alternatively use the resource that is the Sovereign Club/ commercial support and begin an initiative for them to want to get involved. Not sure how a name on the actual base of the statue would look, but it is kind of an extension of the 'buy a brick' scheme for corporates. A starting point would be to research exactly how much would be needed, then work backwards. I agree nick... But really doubt anyone could raise 4k per game for 20 games a season... the cause has a lot of support but Put it like this we ask for £1 for the zine a transaction where you get something in return and only sell at most 500 each time.. now its not the same thing, but there are a HELL of a lot of people who just come and go to a game and want nothing to do with zines/programmes/statues ect... Its doable however with the ideas above, and as we pointed out sponsership ect... I reffer back to my original post however, it needs a driver.... a person/people or eixsting fan group to take a lead on it...
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Post by stockportershrew on Sept 9, 2010 12:36:58 GMT 1
I would love to seen a decent statue outside the ground
To get this off the ground I would have thought you need: (1) the existing supporter grps to take the lead (shrewstrust, offical supporters club etc all need to buy into this). (2) Talk to other clubs who've recently completed statues to get an idea what's involved and how to get cash (pitfalls etc.) would be a start. (3) Before doing anything public - some discussions would be needed with the club and particularly Arthur's family (they would need to give their approval and be consulted over what should be done). (4) It would need costing out & realistically I think it would need think some initial sponsors to get the fund going and as encouragement/incentive to supporters to donate.
edit: I should also say that I think the club should donate to this. Given the amount we've wasted over the last few years on players (either through wages, transfers or paying them off) would a few thousand make much difference. A statue would at least have some longer lasting value.
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