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Post by heavenlyshrew on Mar 2, 2009 11:43:22 GMT 1
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Post by Dan F on Mar 2, 2009 11:48:57 GMT 1
Not very often I agree with you heavenly, and whilst you've not spouted your own opinion for once I'm pretty sure where you're coming from - and I do in fact agree with what I expect are your feelings.
If we can't have a SGD procession, then this shouldn't be allowed either for the same reasons. One rule for one and all that. Typical of the state of the country at the moment. No doubt Trafalgar Square will be painted green on the 17th too, but not red and white on SGD.
Something needs to be done.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Mar 2, 2009 11:58:57 GMT 1
If sgd is racist where will this end no st georges cross flags at england matches? The st georges flag taken down of buck palace?
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Post by Victoria on Mar 2, 2009 11:59:38 GMT 1
More evidence of a broken system and an overbearing minority.
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Post by mattmw on Mar 2, 2009 12:00:50 GMT 1
If you read the story you will see the St Georges day parade has not been banned, just that the local council in West Bromwich have decided not to fund it. The parade can still go ahead, as can Anjem Choudary's parade.
I've no problem with either going ahead - think they are both as daft as each other to be honest - one parade celebrating a crank version of religion and the other a patron saint who wasn't even English.
Now if we could just get morris dancing banned that would be a campaign I'd get behind
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Post by Dan F on Mar 2, 2009 12:02:57 GMT 1
In fairness Matt it doesn't specifically state it can go ahead - the article itself uses the description "banned" and whilst it mentions it's a withdrawl of funding it certainly gives the impression that it won't be going ahead.
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Post by davros on Mar 2, 2009 12:03:50 GMT 1
If you read the story you will see the St Georges day parade has not been banned, just that the local council in West Bromwich have decided not to fund it. The parade can still go ahead, as can Anjem Choudary's parade. I've no problem with either going ahead - think they are both as daft as each other to be honest - one parade celebrating a crank version of religion and the other a patron saint who wasn't even English. Now if we could just get morris dancing banned that would be a campaign I'd get behind agreed, a big fuss about nothing. if the council were to fund the preachers parade then it would be wrong. freedom of speech cuts both ways, what is wrong with wanting shariah law? it is just a viewpoint, and a minority one at that. dont worry heavenlyshrew, i cant see it happening
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Post by mattmw on Mar 2, 2009 12:08:05 GMT 1
Council have said the St George's day parade can go ahead, but that the group organising it need to pay the £10,000 needed for road closures and policing costs etc. If the group can raise those funds and get all the appropriate road closure notices completed then the parade goes ahead. Its no different to any event like a carnival or street market.
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Post by Dan F on Mar 2, 2009 12:11:56 GMT 1
Have you got a link to that Matt? Don't doubt you, but obviously you've read/seen something more than the article at the top.
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Post by barrynic on Mar 2, 2009 12:12:01 GMT 1
There is more chance of Pingu being elected the Lord Mayor of London than Sharia Law being adopted in this country.
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Post by mattmw on Mar 2, 2009 12:18:13 GMT 1
Have you got a link to that Matt? Don't doubt you, but obviously you've read/seen something more than the article at the top. Do a google serach on the topic. For both sides of the argument look at a variety of different sources not just the BNP or Searchlite sites though they both as nuts as each other if you ask me. As with all stories of this type there is often a very humdrum explanation to such stories but nationals like to follow a particular angle depending on the "issue" of the day. Cheap journalism but guess it sells papers which is what they are there to do
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Post by NewportShrews on Mar 2, 2009 12:20:33 GMT 1
If you read the story you will see the St Georges day parade has not been banned, just that the local council in West Bromwich have decided not to fund it. The parade can still go ahead, as can Anjem Choudary's parade. I've no problem with either going ahead - think they are both as daft as each other to be honest - one parade celebrating a crank version of religion and the other a patron saint who wasn't even English. Now if we could just get morris dancing banned that would be a campaign I'd get behind In all fairness I don't see it matters if the patron saint was English or not, it's a day about England not about one man. I'd like to celebrate SGD but with one of the only parades being 'banned' it makes this almost impossible. It seems like todays Government are trying to make every day people embarrassed of where they come from.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 2, 2009 12:29:59 GMT 1
In all fairness I don't see it matters if the patron saint was English or not, it's a day about England not about one man. Don't you don't see the irony of English fans in Istanbul singing "Keep St George in my heart, keep me English", when the bloke lived just down the road from the stadium? ;D Nothing has been banned. if i wanted to have a "Shrewsbury Town parade" and close the roads I would not expect the council to pay £10,000 to do it.
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Post by NewportShrews on Mar 2, 2009 12:35:51 GMT 1
In all fairness I don't see it matters if the patron saint was English or not, it's a day about England not about one man. Don't you don't see the irony of English fans in Istanbul singing "Keep St George in my heart, keep me English", when the bloke lived just down the road from the stadium? ;D Nothing has been banned. if i wanted to have a "Shrewsbury Town parade" and close the roads I would not expect the council to pay £10,000 to do it. Yes, I see the irony but if this day didn't exist there would be no day where people could celebrate being English. Banned was the wording used in the newspaper not mine. In my opinion I think the Government should fun this event. It's completely different to a Shrewsbury Town parade. It's about national pride, something which we've lost. Just of interest, when Town got promoted out of the Conference did the club have to pay for the road closures?
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Post by Dan F on Mar 2, 2009 12:37:17 GMT 1
Have you got a link to that Matt? Don't doubt you, but obviously you've read/seen something more than the article at the top. Do a google serach on the topic. I don't dare
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Post by barrynic on Mar 2, 2009 12:42:22 GMT 1
In all fairness I don't see it matters if the patron saint was English or not, it's a day about England not about one man. Don't you don't see the irony of English fans in Istanbul singing "Keep St George in my heart, keep me English", when the bloke lived just down the road from the stadium? ;D Nothing has been banned. if i wanted to have a "Shrewsbury Town parade" and close the roads I would not expect the council to pay £10,000 to do it. Most of our "So called Royalty" was not of English descent either.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 2, 2009 12:45:04 GMT 1
In all fairness I don't see it matters if the patron saint was English or not, it's a day about England not about one man. Don't you don't see the irony of English fans in Istanbul singing "Keep St George in my heart, keep me English", when the bloke lived just down the road from the stadium? ;D Not really. Just because one is born in a stable doesnt make one a horse.
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Post by stevehiggins on Mar 2, 2009 13:00:37 GMT 1
Who gives a flying feck? Apart from the myopic muppets who have flags hanging from their windows
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Post by Pilch on Mar 2, 2009 13:09:31 GMT 1
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Post by blum on Mar 2, 2009 13:20:16 GMT 1
If sgd is racist where will this end no st georges cross flags at england matches? The st georges flag taken down of buck palace? Already banned at Arsenal....... I just cant accept that celebrating your own patron saint is racist....The celts hate us but there were plenty of taffs with daffs out yesterday, the Paddy's can celebrate their day anywhere in the world (not sure about the jocks)..... Okay so my references to our neighbours might be seen as typically English, but I am, and proud of the fact....... As for Myopic muppets, I guess the NHW in ******** might have something to say about it eh? oh disgraceful behaviour... Get the flags flown from every vantage point and stop this sh!t3 about us being racist for wanting to show a patriotism.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2009 13:25:43 GMT 1
Out of interest, how was SGD celebrated in the 60s/ 70s/ 80s? In the 90s to present I can't remember there being much in terms of organised celebration in the last 15/20 years.
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Post by NewportShrews on Mar 2, 2009 13:27:00 GMT 1
My St. George's Flag will be flying.
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Post by d00bie on Mar 2, 2009 15:06:11 GMT 1
And if you ever get to watch the 1966 world cup final see how many St Georges flags are waving when england scored/won.
All you can see is Union Jacks everywhere.
As far as I know St George has never been celebrated in my lifetime around Shrewsbury, and never will be by me.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 2, 2009 15:26:01 GMT 1
Out of interest, how was SGD celebrated in the 60s/ 70s/ 80s? In the 90s to present I can't remember there being much in terms of organised celebration in the last 15/20 years. No, I don’t think so. But then England has changed since then. I think the call for some celebration is the concern (whether rightly or wrongly) that English culture (and whatever that means to each and every one of us) is under threat in multi-cultural Britain and with the rise of immigration...
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Post by ng12shrews on Mar 2, 2009 15:56:51 GMT 1
just got back from cologne karneval,although traditionally a catholic festival.there were plenty of traditional drinking songs and flag waving.a distinct air of pride.
it's a shame we are discouraged from doin anything like that. FFS!
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Mar 2, 2009 18:35:57 GMT 1
we're still ok for street partys when Maggie carks it though aren't we
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Post by stevehiggins on Mar 2, 2009 19:17:13 GMT 1
we're still ok for street partys when Maggie carks it though aren't we I'll bring the battenburg and sunny delight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2009 19:38:15 GMT 1
Ah the daily star, the bastian of even handed, factual reporting. Has st georges ever been a big day in this country? not in my life time.
What the hell would you celebrate? What is it to be english? Is there such a thing as englishness?
lets all be reactionary eh.
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Post by Enoch Powell was right on Mar 2, 2009 19:40:13 GMT 1
There is more chance of Pingu being elected the Lord Mayor of London than Sharia Law being adopted in this country. Britain is and will turn into a Muslim state, you maybe laughing and tutting now, but its happening and quicker than you think. Before any of you say it will never happen, we all know more and more of them enter the country everyday in there droves and nobody in the government is bothering to stop them and if nobod y is bothering to stop them, then more and more enter. The more that enter, the more powerful politically they will become and the more powerful politically they become it will be harder to cut the flow of them entering the country which means they will grow even stronger politically and they will be able to gain there own laws. They already have the power to say st. georges flag is racist, how long before st georges flag is outlawed along with the union jack and replaced with a blue and white flag with a red crescent moon on it? I've seen the flag flown in the west midlands,the crescent moon flag of great britain. Also imagine yourself being arrested for eating a bacon sandwich or a hot pork bap with stuffing.... Its going to happen.
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Post by neilsalop on Mar 2, 2009 19:48:08 GMT 1
There really is a simple solution, get a load of women, gays, christians and give them all a pig to take for a walk along the route about 5 minutes before the parade. A nice slow walk mind Ooops there goes the karma again
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