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Post by Victoria on Mar 3, 2009 14:40:55 GMT 1
Prime Minister - Australia Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.. Separately, he angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. ' 'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom' 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!' 'Most Australians believe in God.. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.' 'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.' 'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.' 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.' A quote from The Australian Prime Minister sums it up brilliantly IMO I'm moving there permantly in a few months, and I have to say this is some tough love. Exactly the kind of thing you'd want a leader to say. I think it sums up the feelings of a vast majority of people. It's not xenophobic or racist, just shows an intolerance to those who want to change the country they moved to. Fortunatley Australia don't have a very large Muslim population so they can lock the stable door before the horse has bolted. Australian Finance Minister Peter Costello:
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Post by neilsalop on Mar 3, 2009 19:17:01 GMT 1
Prime Minister - Australia Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.. Separately, he angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. ' 'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom' 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!' 'Most Australians believe in God.. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.' 'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.' 'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.' 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.' A quote from The Australian Prime Minister sums it up brilliantly IMO Fair dinkum, the bloody convicts have just gone up a step or two in my estimation
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Post by mikeinsheff on Mar 3, 2009 20:07:05 GMT 1
I am outraged. Why do some people think it`s OK to use a `newspaper` like the Daily Star as a source and then expect their posts to be taken seriously?
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Post by Dont believe the HYPE on Mar 3, 2009 20:54:14 GMT 1
I am outraged. Why do some people think it`s OK to use a `newspaper` like the Daily Star as a source and then expect their posts to be taken seriously? Are you refering to my post or heavenly`s? Because I can assure you my post is accurate I have seen the speech
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Mar 4, 2009 10:50:47 GMT 1
I am outraged. Why do some people think it`s OK to use a `newspaper` like the Daily Star as a source and then expect their posts to be taken seriously? More leftie rage mike? Your mother would not be happy so bugger off and bake a cake or whatever you lefties do to chillout.
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Post by PIE5TL2 on Mar 4, 2009 12:10:08 GMT 1
Ah the daily star, the bastian of even handed, factual reporting. Has st georges ever been a big day in this country? not in my life time. What the hell would you celebrate? What is it to be english? Is there such a thing as englishness? lets all be reactionary eh. What's it to you anyway - aren't you're of Ukrainian ancestory? Out of interest, do you know of anything about Ukraine that's worth celebrating? - Cos I can't. Surely there must be more to the place than vodka, poverty and anti-semitic genocidal nutcases?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 13:16:19 GMT 1
[What's it to you anyway - aren't you're of Ukrainian ancestory? Out of interest, do you know of anything about Ukraine that's worth celebrating? - Cos I can't. Surely there must be more to the place than vodka, poverty and anti-semitic genocidal nutcases? I dont get why someone on here would be so cowardly and gutless as to not log on and post under their proper user name. Not as if i know any of you or where you live. So come on you balless child log on and discuss it like a grown up. to answer your question, i was born and bred in shrewsbury, my Mum is english from a farming family near atcham and yes my Dad is Ukranian (brought to this country as a POW, not an immigrant) No i cant think of anything ukranian worth celebrating, but then, i dont try to celebrate it, dont discuss my ukranian ancestory, dont boast about it or thinks it either big or clever, in much the same way that i cant think of anything worth celebrating about this country. i dont drink so have no interest in vodka, and believe the anti semetic issue you talk of is probably correct, but possibly a generalisation. I also see my ancestory as being totally irrelevant to this thread so therefore assume this is no more than a cowardly attack made from behind a cloak of anonymity. Finally, i would be pretty sure that if your heritage is traced back far enough, you would probably have german, french, italian or nordic genetics yourself. Feel free to PM me if your too embarrassed to discuss your issues openly.
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Post by Victoria on Mar 4, 2009 13:44:03 GMT 1
Ah the daily star, the bastian of even handed, factual reporting. Has st georges ever been a big day in this country? not in my life time. What the hell would you celebrate? What is it to be english? Is there such a thing as englishness? lets all be reactionary eh. What's it to you anyway - aren't you're of Ukrainian ancestory? Out of interest, do you know of anything about Ukraine that's worth celebrating? - Cos I can't. Surely there must be more to the place than vodka, poverty and anti-semitic genocidal nutcases? What a charming and eloquent arguement, completley on topic and relevant to everyone's interests.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 4, 2009 14:22:54 GMT 1
[What's it to you anyway - aren't you're of Ukrainian ancestory? Out of interest, do you know of anything about Ukraine that's worth celebrating? - Cos I can't. Surely there must be more to the place than vodka, poverty and anti-semitic genocidal nutcases? I dont get why someone on here would be so cowardly and gutless as to not log on and post under their proper user name. Not as if i know any of you or where you live. So come on you balless child log on and discuss it like a grown up. to answer your question, i was born and bred in shrewsbury, my Mum is english from a farming family near atcham and yes my Dad is Ukranian (brought to this country as a POW, not an immigrant) No i cant think of anything ukranian worth celebrating, but then, i dont try to celebrate it, dont discuss my ukranian ancestory, dont boast about it or thinks it either big or clever, in much the same way that i cant think of anything worth celebrating about this country. i dont drink so have no interest in vodka, and believe the anti semetic issue you talk of is probably correct, but possibly a generalisation. I also see my ancestory as being totally irrelevant to this thread so therefore assume this is no more than a cowardly attack made from behind a cloak of anonymity. Finally, i would be pretty sure that if your heritage is traced back far enough, you would probably have german, french, italian or nordic genetics yourself. Feel free to PM me if your too embarrassed to discuss your issues openly. The only thing you come on the board to discuss is left wing politics, you don't seem to have an interest in football ****Martin - please keep the xenophobic comments to yourself
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Post by Dan F on Mar 4, 2009 14:24:35 GMT 1
F***. That means I'm Welsh. Out of order Martin, very out of order.
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Post by gingashrew on Mar 4, 2009 14:41:44 GMT 1
I dont get why someone on here would be so cowardly and gutless as to not log on and post under their proper user name. Not as if i know any of you or where you live. So come on you balless child log on and discuss it like a grown up. to answer your question, i was born and bred in shrewsbury, my Mum is english from a farming family near atcham and yes my Dad is Ukranian (brought to this country as a POW, not an immigrant) No i cant think of anything ukranian worth celebrating, but then, i dont try to celebrate it, dont discuss my ukranian ancestory, dont boast about it or thinks it either big or clever, in much the same way that i cant think of anything worth celebrating about this country. i dont drink so have no interest in vodka, and believe the anti semetic issue you talk of is probably correct, but possibly a generalisation. I also see my ancestory as being totally irrelevant to this thread so therefore assume this is no more than a cowardly attack made from behind a cloak of anonymity. Finally, i would be pretty sure that if your heritage is traced back far enough, you would probably have german, french, italian or nordic genetics yourself. Feel free to PM me if your too embarrassed to discuss your issues openly. ****** The only thing you come on the board to discuss is left wing politics, you don't seem to have an interest in football The most pathetic and mindless post I've ever read. You make me embarrassed to be Salopian and English.
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Post by stockportershrew nli on Mar 4, 2009 14:55:47 GMT 1
The Australian quotes provided misleading: (1) It relates supposedly to the former, (not current), Australian Prime Minister John Howard and former finance Minister Costello; (2) It was part of one of those email forwarding type scams. It contains elements of the truth but as I remember it bits have also been denied. I believe there's a more recent email on the same theme purporting to be from Kevin Rudd the current Aussie PM. I wish people would think about the credibility of their sources before posting stuff as fact. & Martin your comments above are quite simply pathetic.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 4, 2009 15:39:47 GMT 1
Ironic that we were debating banning guests when along comes a horrible contribution from Martin.
That is the sort of hate filled and completely unnecessary post that, in my opinion, the Mods should be dealing with.
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Post by Dan F on Mar 4, 2009 15:44:46 GMT 1
Ironic that we were debating banning guests when along comes a horrible contribution from Martin. That is the sort of hate filled and completely unnecessary post that, in my opinion, the Mods should be dealing with. Since the mods won't act, do what I did - try and defeat it another way. Belittle it, hit it with humour. Reduce it's impact any way you can. If we can point it out to be the joke of a comment that it is then there's less chance of anyone taking it seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 15:56:41 GMT 1
I've edited the intial thread and PM'd the member in question to explain my decision
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 16:41:13 GMT 1
It would be a sad day for democracy if the world takes lectures on immigration and race relations from one of the most racist nations on earth. A nation that has marginalised its indigenous people and forced whole sections of their society in poverty and hopelessness on the grounds of colour and race.
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Post by Dont believe the HYPE on Mar 4, 2009 17:11:20 GMT 1
It would be a sad day for democracy if the world takes lectures on immigration and race relations from one of the most racist nations on earth. A nation that has marginalised its indigenous people and forced whole sections of their society in poverty and hopelessness on the grounds of colour and race. Why? That speech was fair, honest and to the point. If people choose to live in another country, which there entitled to do the very minimum they should do is learn the language and adapt to that specific country. My friend has just moved to Dubai, a completely different culture, and I assure you we are alot more tolerant of other races and cultures in this country. We welcome 1000`s of people to come and live in our country they should be prepared to adapt not the other way round.
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Post by barrynic on Mar 4, 2009 17:11:21 GMT 1
[What's it to you anyway - aren't you're of Ukrainian ancestory? Out of interest, do you know of anything about Ukraine that's worth celebrating? - Cos I can't. Surely there must be more to the place than vodka, poverty and anti-semitic genocidal nutcases? I dont get why someone on here would be so cowardly and gutless as to not log on and post under their proper user name. Not as if i know any of you or where you live. So come on you balless child log on and discuss it like a grown up. to answer your question, i was born and bred in shrewsbury, my Mum is english from a farming family near atcham and yes my Dad is Ukranian (brought to this country as a POW, not an immigrant) No i cant think of anything ukranian worth celebrating, but then, i dont try to celebrate it, dont discuss my ukranian ancestory, dont boast about it or thinks it either big or clever, in much the same way that i cant think of anything worth celebrating about this country. i dont drink so have no interest in vodka, and believe the anti semetic issue you talk of is probably correct, but possibly a generalisation. I also see my ancestory as being totally irrelevant to this thread so therefore assume this is no more than a cowardly attack made from behind a cloak of anonymity. Finally, i would be pretty sure that if your heritage is traced back far enough, you would probably have german, french, italian or nordic genetics yourself. Feel free to PM me if your too embarrassed to discuss your issues openly. Great post -------- Exalted.
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Post by barrynic on Mar 4, 2009 17:13:46 GMT 1
Welcome to Ukraine
Ukraine is situated in the south-eastern part of Central Europe and has its own territory, government, national emblem, flag and anthem. It borders on Russia, Byelorussia, Moldova, Slovakia, Roumania, Hungary and Poland on land and Russia, Georgia, Bulgaria, Roumania and Turkey on sea.
The territory of Ukraine is mostly a level, treeless plain, calls "steppe". There are the Crimean Mountains in the Crimean peninsula and the Carpathians in the west, but they are not very high. Mixed forests of pine and fir-trees, beeches, limes, oaks and elms cover the mountains, but the thickest woods can still be found in the northern part of the republic, in Volyn. Kiev and Cherkassy lie in the midst of Ukrainian southernmost pine forest. The main Ukrainian river is the Dnieper. It is one of the longest European rivers and one of the republic's main source of hydroelectric power. The Dnieper and its tributary the Ross had been the cradle of the Ukrainian and Russian people in time immemorial.
The climate of the country is moderate. Winter is rather mild, with no severe frosts but with regular snowfalls everywhere except the south. The rivers and lakes freeze in winter. The average winter temperature varies -20 Centigrade in the north to -3-5 in the south. Summer is quite hot and dry, with occasional showers and thunderstorms. The fertile black soil is well watered in spring and autumn and gets plenty of sunshine in summer.
Due to favorable climatic conditions, Ukraine is traditionally an agricultural area. It grows wheat, maize, buckwheat and other corn, red and green vegetables, all kinds of fruit, melons and berries.
Ukraine is one of the world's main centers of sugar production. It produces sugar both for her own needs and for export.
The country is rich in natural resources, such as iron ore, coal, color metal, oil, gas, mineral salts, clay and potential water power. It has developed a varied industry, concentrated mostly in and around big cities, such as Kiev, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Dnyeprodzerzhinsk, Odessa, Kharkov, Lviv, Nickolayev and other. It produces planes and ships, lorries and buses, motorcars and locomotives, computer and electronic equipment, precision instruments and agricultural machines, TV and radioset, chemicals and textiles and various consumer goods. Odessa, Sebastopol, Nickolayev, Kherson and Kerch are main ukrainian ports.
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Post by mikeinsheff on Mar 4, 2009 17:38:12 GMT 1
I've edited the intial thread and PM'd the member in question to explain my decision **Post edited - Mike, no need for this reply, only going to cause trouble again**
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 18:56:04 GMT 1
[ Why? That speech was fair, honest and to the point. If people choose to live in another country, which there entitled to do the very minimum they should do is learn the language and adapt to that specific country. My friend has just moved to Dubai, a completely different culture, and I assure you we are alot more tolerant of other races and cultures in this country. We welcome 1000`s of people to come and live in our country they should be prepared to adapt not the other way round. Because interestingly enough, when the british empire was out and about colonising everything that moved and raping every land it could for minerals and anything else of value, "we" didnt seem too interested in adapting ourselves to other cultures. i think my point about the aussies is fair. It stinks of hypocrisy for them to now be saying (although im sure that quote has been bandied about on here for some time) that people who come to "their" country, should live by their rules and adapt to the way they live, when the country itself as we know it, was born out of immigrants (us) taking over and forcing the indigenous population (aboriganies sp) to live like "us" or face the consequences. I also (as a side note) find it odd that half the world was up in arms over south african apartheid, no one much minded that in australia, much the same thing was going on.
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Post by Dont believe the HYPE on Mar 4, 2009 19:23:31 GMT 1
I suppose it`s a question of how far back in history you go, The Romans conquering the world? The Vikings? Greeks?. All nations have a past and history they rather forget. I`m concern rd about the present, hypocritical or not, and what that Australian PM sail I whole heartily agreed with it. I might not be as intellectually gifted as you at arguing the point, but I honestly believe all people wishing to live on these shores should integrate into our CURRENT way of life and not the other way round, and if they are not prepared to do so don't bother coming .
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Post by Victoria on Mar 4, 2009 19:37:24 GMT 1
If you find western culture so abhorrant, Europe or North America is not the place for you.
I personally don't like homophobia, religious figures in powerful political positions or capital punishment so I won't be applying for an Iranian visa anytime soon.
Most immigrants come here with a view to better their and their families lives which I'm 100% behind. But you take the rough with the smooth, if you find girls in short skirts offensive then that's a sacrifice you need to make. If our refusal to punish homosexuality is beyond your morals then turn a blind eye and ask your God for forgiveness.
Don't try and gather support for your intolerance on my streets or political avenues because there's no place for it here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 20:34:34 GMT 1
I suppose it`s a question of how far back in history you go, The Romans conquering the world? The Vikings? Greeks?. All nations have a past and history they rather forget. I`m concern rd about the present, hypocritical or not, and what that Australian PM sail I whole heartily agreed with it. I might not be as intellectually gifted as you at arguing the point, but I honestly believe all people wishing to live on these shores should integrate into our CURRENT way of life and not the other way round, and if they are not prepared to do so don't bother coming . mate, this has nothing to do with interlect, something i am certainly not, nor do i claim to be. But what does it mean to intergrate into our current way of life? I dont understand. Our current way of life includes music, clothing, food, drink, tradition and culture from all over the world that has been brought here by immigrants and explorers for centuries. Everything from Christmas to Pizza is foreign or has huge foreign influences. So just to clarify, when someone from abroad comes to britain to live you want them to eat pizza (from italy), dress in denim (from america) celebrate christmas (with a german christmas tree) and slob around doing nothing and getting benefits (like so many people i know do who have lived here all their lives). Seems reasonable. Im not saying that people dont have a right to be concerned, they do, and im sure these concerns are genuine, but it really does amaze me how hysterical people get over news paper reports that are half factless and half lies. This country is what it is today because of cultures and traditions others have brought here. I dont see why people are so scared, i really dont understand.
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Post by davros on Mar 5, 2009 0:18:11 GMT 1
I think St George is outdated and irrelevent , we should hav a day for the things we have that are truly things to be proud of. We should have an NHS day and a BBC day
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Post by Dan F on Mar 5, 2009 0:41:28 GMT 1
I think St George is outdated and irrelevent , we should hav a day for the things we have that are truly things to be proud of. We should have an NHS day and a BBC day Don't forget the banks...
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Post by Faust on Mar 6, 2009 13:43:15 GMT 1
If you read the story you will see the St Georges day parade has not been banned, just that the local council in West Bromwich have decided not to fund it. The parade can still go ahead, as can Anjem Choudary's parade. I've no problem with either going ahead - think they are both as daft as each other to be honest - one parade celebrating a crank version of religion and the other a patron saint who wasn't even English. Now if we could just get morris dancing banned that would be a campaign I'd get behind **Post edited by Ant and member banned for one day for strike 2**
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