DaveP200
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Post by DaveP200 on Apr 26, 2005 22:08:23 GMT 1
A lot of these keyboard warriers actually partake in booing down the ira chant and racist chants. Another contributer actually confronted them. Keyboard warrior my arse And what damage could have been done to that individual before the stewards or anyone else could have reacted to stop it. And yes the majority are just keyboard warriors sat safely at the computers in their nice little homes. And then dislike it when individuals log on as Guests because they cannot get there own opinions over as their normal log in because to do that they may be considered an outsider. And before I am criticised for having my view on a subject just look back at the shock most showed when they saw that a member of B&A had actually voted that they would vote for the BNP.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Apr 26, 2005 22:25:33 GMT 1
And then dislike it when individuals log on as Guests Yeah thats me, because most of the time Guests talk rubbish and give out wrong scores.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2005 22:28:26 GMT 1
It's easy to call people on the web 'internet geeks sat behind their computer screens' just as it is easy to label everyone at the back of the riverside a 'moron'.
However neither is the case.
Yes you will get some people who are loud on the internet but are quiet in person.
Yet having met over 200 people from off the internet (and from B&A in specific) I think you'll find generally that people who are opionated on here are in person, and more specifically in person to person conversation, as well.
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Post by x emz x on Apr 26, 2005 22:29:31 GMT 1
And what damage could have been done to that individual before the stewards or anyone else could have reacted to stop it. And yes the majority are just keyboard warriors sat safely at the computers in their nice little homes. And then dislike it when individuals log on as Guests because they cannot get there own opinions over as their normal log in because to do that they may be considered an outsider. And before I am criticised for having my view on a subject just look back at the shock most showed when they saw that a member of B&A had actually voted that they would vote for the BNP. oh for christ sake stop twisting it to suit yourself and making out we are all sad "keyboard warriors"...like to see you say everything you twitter away about to anyone of these peoples faces "mate" just leave it will ya for heavens sake....your doin my head in! and this thread has gone far enough. no 1 is gonna agree here really, because either way some people will deem the song in question, racist others will not. Not a lot can be done, just do wot you wanna do at the games, be it sing the song or boo it out. wotever either of you do, you wont stop each other from reacting to one another!
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Post by Guest on Apr 26, 2005 22:31:58 GMT 1
Yeah thats me, because most of the time Guests talk rubbish and give out wrong scores. Wibble, wibble, wibble. I see Wrexham lost tonight.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Apr 26, 2005 22:32:25 GMT 1
and this thread has gone far enough. No way it has only just begun ;D
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Apr 26, 2005 22:33:21 GMT 1
Wibble, wibble, wibble. I see Wrexham lost tonight. Thats my sort of humour ;D
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 26, 2005 22:36:15 GMT 1
And what damage could have been done to that individual before the stewards or anyone else could have reacted to stop it. And yes the majority are just keyboard warriors sat safely at the computers in their nice little homes. And then dislike it when individuals log on as Guests because they cannot get there own opinions over as their normal log in because to do that they may be considered an outsider. And before I am criticised for having my view on a subject just look back at the shock most showed when they saw that a member of B&A had actually voted that they would vote for the BNP. It was a reaction to kids and friends getting hit by the bottle and getting covered by its contents, a gut reaction simple as, nothing more. As for shock at people voting for BNP, well hardly a suprise considering peoples feelings about the BNP on here.
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Post by x emz x on Apr 26, 2005 22:37:30 GMT 1
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 26, 2005 23:14:50 GMT 1
And what damage could have been done to that individual before the stewards or anyone else could have reacted to stop it. And yes the majority are just keyboard warriors sat safely at the computers in their nice little homes. And then dislike it when individuals log on as Guests because they cannot get there own opinions over as their normal log in because to do that they may be considered an outsider. And before I am criticised for having my view on a subject just look back at the shock most showed when they saw that a member of B&A had actually voted that they would vote for the BNP. People disagree with you because they think something different, that is allowed. Name calling is different, correct. I was talking to fagin earlier today about singing the No Surrender songs at England matches and fact when 40,000 people are singing a song just about everyone joins in Just like the 'Ten German Bombers" song The No surrender song offends me because of it's association with vioplent racist hooligan organisations. I don;t have a hug eproblem witht he song itself. And if the final line was 'keep me english till my dying day' then I would sing it myself
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Post by klu klux klan on Apr 26, 2005 23:43:47 GMT 1
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Post by jamo on Apr 27, 2005 7:11:23 GMT 1
I really hope you are being sarcastic...I looked at that and thought "well flip you" it would appear the number of grumpy old men on here is continuing to grow ?
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 27, 2005 7:31:38 GMT 1
on the bottle throwing, did everyone who saw it report itm will they be able to 100% say who threw it and identify the person? will they stand up in court if needs be and testify that person threw it so they can be banned? if the stewards go in and do a snatch what would the reaction be? last time they did there was outrage on here if i remember correctly, shouts of the wrong people being pulled out, he was doing nothing etc... This is quite scary. A few thousand posts ago, I mentioned the fact that problems could arise if, being aware of the incdent, the club no action and it happened again, with more serious consequences. Having been satisfied, by MeoleShrew's assurance that action was indeed being taken , I went happily about my daily business. I return, however, to read the above. This implies that it is up to the paying spectators to provide evidence of wrong doing and then to identify the culprit(s). Not so. I repeat; The club has been made aware of the incident. If something similar happens again, with more serious consequences, the club will be required to clearly demonstrate that it has taken every practical step to prevent it. (I would suspect that taking IT'S OWN steps to identify potential perpatrators, would be a minimum requirement). If it could not show, to the total satisfaction of the HSE, that it had taken appropriate action, then they would be deeply in the sh!te. The consequences, in that case, would be far more serious than a situation where some individual complained of being banned unfairly. I sincerely hope that MeoleShrew is more 'In The Know' on this issue than a club employee.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 27, 2005 8:13:01 GMT 1
Orangemob I never said that communication levels would rise Something Whitters can't control.
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 27, 2005 8:24:40 GMT 1
Orangemob I never said that communication levels would rise Something Whitters can't control. Sorry, I didn't mean that. You previously posted a positive reply to my comment that I hoped positive action would be taken. My point here is that Ian's post implied that unless the perpetrator(s) of such acts could be possitively identified, by spectators who would then give evidence at a trial, nothing could be done. This is worrying, as it would certainly not be a defence, should a serious incident occur in the future. I'm not suggesting for a second that Ian has any influence or control of the matter, but merely that if his post was indeed reflective of the view of the club, it is, potentially, a very dangerous stance to take.
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Post by MeoleShrew nli on Apr 27, 2005 9:08:12 GMT 1
Sorry, I didn't mean that. You previously posted a positive reply to my comment that I hoped positive action would be taken. My point here is that Ian's post implied that unless the perpetrator(s) of such acts could be possitively identified, by spectators who would then give evidence at a trial, nothing could be done. This is worrying, as it would certainly not be a defence, should a serious incident occur in the future. I'm not suggesting for a second that Ian has any influence or control of the matter, but merely that if his post was indeed reflective of the view of the club, it is, potentially, a very dangerous stance to take. We are at crossed purposes, Whitters doesn't know whats been discussed, not his fault. As to action that might be/could be taken it is in the correct hands, its very difficult to say anymore. Just safe to say that in the future(next season) Jp will contact the club again, JP is not sure that the incident was not delibrate or a bit of messing around, no it won't be dropped.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Apr 27, 2005 9:15:27 GMT 1
While it is important what will be done for next season, I want to know what will be done for the Sc***horpe match. Are we going to have another 90 minutes or those idiots singing Comabt 18 songs or will something be done to stop them?
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Post by faginy on Apr 27, 2005 9:17:59 GMT 1
i would wager that more people sing the song these days in support of the England football team than Combat 18.
hypersensitive B&A
you have 2 choices
a) you can let the people sing what they want
b) you can send in the stewards, all hell will break loose and there will be a 16 page thread on here the next day entitled "trouble on the riverside"
no win situation
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2005 9:25:41 GMT 1
In that case I'll take option number 3 and continue to boo the song whenever it's sang
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 27, 2005 9:25:43 GMT 1
Let's get wiggy to produce a song sheet for the riverside with the better words
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Post by Pilch on Apr 27, 2005 9:50:35 GMT 1
i predict that the ira singers will be out in force v scunny to see how far they can push things
this of course is nothing to do with the ira
its because they want a fight with either a few decent fans or the stewards
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Post by Loud and Proud on Apr 27, 2005 10:21:46 GMT 1
oh for christ sake stop twisting it to suit yourself and making out we are all sad "keyboard warriors"...like to see you say everything you twitter away about to anyone of these peoples faces "mate" just leave it will ya for heavens sake....your doin my head in! and this thread has gone far enough. no 1 is gonna agree here really, because either way some people will deem the song in question, racist others will not. Not a lot can be done, just do wot you wanna do at the games, be it sing the song or boo it out. wotever either of you do, you wont stop each other from reacting to one another!Oh dear people don't like people with different opinion's
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Post by Chav on Apr 27, 2005 10:24:23 GMT 1
i think its a load of bollox wot u lot say becoz all we are doin is bein patriotic and u bunch of miserable b@stards dont even no how to sing. If we werent ther then ther wold be no atmopshere in the ground at all u P ussys. Basically without us town wudnt have ne good fans at all that support them throught thick and thin. If u sang then maybe we wud join in with your pathetic chants and see how good u r at making a decent atmosphere round the mighty meadow. Peace out
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Post by The Chav Hater on Apr 27, 2005 10:30:00 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Apr 27, 2005 10:34:27 GMT 1
i think its a load of bollox wot u lot say becoz all we are doin is bein patriotic and u bunch of miserable b@stards dont even no how to sing. If we werent ther then ther wold be no atmopshere in the ground at all u P ussys. Basically without us town wudnt have ne good fans at all that support them throught thick and thin. If u sang then maybe we wud join in with your pathetic chants and see how good u r at making a decent atmosphere round the mighty meadow. Peace out well its funny that one of the people who admits to singing 'ira' was part of a group in the stand who created the best atmosphere all season the previous home game
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 27, 2005 10:39:28 GMT 1
We are at crossed purposes, Whitters doesn't know whats been discussed, not his fault. As to action that might be/could be taken it is in the correct hands, its very difficult to say anymore. Just safe to say that in the future(next season) Jp will contact the club again, JP is not sure that the incident was not delibrate or a bit of messing around, no it won't be dropped. That's fine. I'm happy that appropriate action is going to be taken.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Apr 27, 2005 10:44:19 GMT 1
i think its a load of bollox wot u lot say becoz all we are doin is bein patriotic and u bunch of miserable b@stards dont even no how to sing. If we werent ther then ther wold be no atmopshere in the ground at all u P ussys. Basically without us town wudnt have ne good fans at all that support them throught thick and thin. If u sang then maybe we wud join in with your pathetic chants and see how good u r at making a decent atmosphere round the mighty meadow. Peace out There have been some excellent atmospheres at the Meadow this season with fans singing songs about football and cheering on their side. Do you know what football is? Next time you go to the Meadow, you'll notice there is this big green thing in the middle of the ground with men running around chasing a ball. If you ask someone, they'll explain to you the rules and stuff and then you can try cheering the ones wearing blue and amber clothes rather than singing Combat 18 filth.
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 27, 2005 10:48:37 GMT 1
My point here is that Ian's post implied that unless the perpetrator(s) of such acts could be possitively identified, by spectators who would then give evidence at a trial, nothing could be done. This is worrying, as it would certainly not be a defence, should a serious incident occur in the future. I'm not suggesting for a second that Ian has any influence or control of the matter, but merely that if his post was indeed reflective of the view of the club, it is, potentially, a very dangerous stance to take. I'm just stating a few simple points about how the club has to go about things.. put it this way, i report you to a steward for throwing something/chanting something what would you expect the steward to do? btw you have't said/thrown anything and the steward hasn't seen anything, so it's just my word. i'm not saying the club aren't doing anything, it is a blame culture we live in and anything we do has to be done with proof .
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Post by rob on Apr 27, 2005 10:59:42 GMT 1
I disagree Jeevsey, just because a large number of people sing this song at england games it doesnt excuse it.
A large number of people at england games boo the oppsoitions national anthem and there is certanly some racist chants that originate from England fans, nothing on the scale of Spain or Italy, but racist chants all the same.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 27, 2005 11:11:42 GMT 1
Let's get wiggy to produce a song sheet for the riverside with the better words No surrender, no surrender etc to SABC ;D
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