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Post by kickinpretty on Jan 22, 2004 13:53:06 GMT 1
OK - Lets be pro-active and make a start to our stand against this bloody backwrad council of ours.
First things first lets get a name for the One policy party to fight at the May Elections 2004.
Post below your ideas - The best will be put forward for a vote.
The winning name will then be used to register a domain name and a campaign web site will designed and setup - we will then go from there!
Get your thinking caps on - we need something powerfull, memorable and to the point...Good luck...
PS(CAN A SITE ADMIN PLEASE PIN THIS POST)
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Post by mancshrew on Jan 22, 2004 13:55:04 GMT 1
How about the Shrewbury Town Action Group - the STAG party?? Perhaps not the correct image
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 22, 2004 14:04:49 GMT 1
Problem is people I doubt (unless they are up for the for The New Meadow) will vote if we only have one issue..The Football Club, so maybe The Action For Shrewsbury Group may have more bite?
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Post by kickinpretty on Jan 22, 2004 14:14:57 GMT 1
JP- One Policy - One Vote - Let the other councilors worry about everything else, as i said before if you have other policies then you split the vote, with a one policy party the vote is either for or against.
Do not confuse the voter.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 22, 2004 14:20:07 GMT 1
Kickin: If I went around Meole saying "I want you to vote for me" "I want the New Meadow and houses on the Gay Meadow" It would be followed by a lot of door slamming in my face without enticements. What are we going to do for Mr and Mrs Average?
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Post by kickinpretty on Jan 22, 2004 14:33:43 GMT 1
Look JP- Lets not bicker about this now, lets get the name sorted and a campaign website up and running, we can discuss and vote for what we are going to do there.
Lets just make a start...
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 22, 2004 14:37:31 GMT 1
ok fair enough
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Post by Dale on Jan 22, 2004 15:22:26 GMT 1
The Proud Salopian Party or The Salopian Party
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2004 15:24:27 GMT 1
Before anyone dismisses the whys and wherefores of Kickins idea, Just ask yourselves how a Certain Albie Fox got into local government, you may be surprised to hear that he had one issue and that was the one on Gun laws as he was a keen hunter, he campainged on that issue alone, one issue one vote, now the bellend is making our lives a misery......
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Post by Reverend on Jan 22, 2004 15:26:18 GMT 1
The Proud Salopians.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Jan 22, 2004 15:57:23 GMT 1
i have just posted on another thread.
we dont really want Ian Jones as mayor.
our aim is to highlighten what STFC does for the Town of Shrewsbury.
We need to be a pain the backside to the other candidates who will ask the question do they support the New Meadow.
putting my suggestion forward...something AWAY from football, away from hooligans. we need to be PRO active, PRO what STFC does for the Town...
PRO SHREWSBURY
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 22, 2004 16:19:01 GMT 1
I agree with matt - it should be something with a bit more of a broad base - what about the old slogan WSW - What Shrewsbury Wants
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 22, 2004 16:19:22 GMT 1
i too have posted this below, but as this thread was pinned I want to enter this into the discussion.
I am not sure we can start a party just by thinking up a name
I would be far happier ensuring we had represntatives within the local political parties who were pro new meadow
If I stood as a new meadow candidate for Sutton I would not get elected, but I could stand as Labour, possibly get elected (having lived there for eighteen years) and within my wider remit I would be for the new meadow within planning guidelines
I am not against this idea, but I wonder whether it is the best use of our time and resources, when we could just get behind opposition candidates who are sympathetic to our cause
this isn't aimed at anyone, don't hate me for bringing some important issues to light, whatever we do has to be thought through fully
the idea of a "Shrewsbury Future" party getting elected on a ticket of:
1) New Meadow 2) New Theatre 3) Opening up the river to greater tourism 4) Museum of Shrewsbury 5) Sports Village on Oteley Road
would have a very wide appeal, and all founded on the proposition that if Shrewsbury becomes part of a shropshire unitary authority the £30 million set aside by the tories would be swallowed up and if shrewsbury wants the benefit of that money we need to spend it now
I think that is a far stronger position to which we could get elected as it embraces all areas of society and essentially all these schemes interact on the GM / Oteley Road deal anyway
food for thought?
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Post by dan d on Jan 22, 2004 17:47:57 GMT 1
The blue and amber party.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Jan 22, 2004 17:59:20 GMT 1
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Post by kickinpretty on Jan 22, 2004 18:00:14 GMT 1
What about...
FUSION
Its cool, its fresh sounding, its bringing all people from all walks off life and political backgrounds together as one, its uniting under one banner, its combining ideas...
Its not football sounding - and its very modern ;D
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Post by Llanelian on Jan 22, 2004 18:04:29 GMT 1
Interesting........from my previous postings, over the last ten years, you'll know where I am coming from on this one. Initially, I have to say that I think it a mistake to form another political 'one issue' group. All you will succeed in doing is splitting the vote, and allow the Tories back in. I hate to see such a polarised debate against the Tories, but it is thoroughly deserved and needs to be recognised. My postings, and indeed my letter in the Chronicle, illustrate exactly what the conservative group is up to. There is one vital message that needs to be broadcast. Over the last ten years, TEXT suggestion of a location for a new ground, or partnership, has been opposed by the conservative group, in opposition or when they have been in control. Therefore it is reasonable to suggest that the location for the new ground, Oteley Road, is really a six or seventh choice, forced upon STFC by the stance of the Tories. It is therefore immoral and dishonest for them to suggest that there are alternatives...there have been, but they have stopped it. If they had been reasonable and had the good of the town at the heart of their politics from the outset, this would have been resolved five years ago. No, when I was Chair of Planning on the County, how many of you were at the planning meeting at Shirehall, when we were all branded as 'hooligans' by Cllr Everall; it was only by some smart manouvering that I manged to rescue the resolution. The Tory group were told how to vote by Nutting. I'm not sure whether I am making myself clear, but whatever we try to do as a group of people, the Tories will find a way of twisting and manipulating the truth. I know there are some hardnosed tories out there that post on this board, but if you haven't had the benefit of working with, or seeing the immoral antics of the local councillors, then I'm not interested in your views. Sorry, but if you don't recognise the egos and alternative agendas at work locally, then you'll probably vote for a poodle with a blue rosett anyway. No....the way forward is to tackle all candidates that are contesting seats in June, whether they are Lib Dem, Labour or Indies. Forget the Tories, they have been told what to do and say, and even if they appear sympathetic, don't believe them. It is simple maths. I am standing again, and I would be bloody annoyed if I found I was going to lose a few votes to someone that shared the same views as me. Identify solid support for STFC, and then go and work in that ward to help get the guy or gal elected; if you dilute the vote, you open the door. If we can get more Lib Dems and Labour returned than Tories and Indies, even one more,then the whole Council Agenda can change. Sorry if I have offended readers, but, honestly, I do have some experience in this, both as a former Boro' Councillor and County Mmeber also.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2004 18:09:06 GMT 1
And I do think that you'll find that many back you Chris.
However, what Kickin has done today (helped by Mattsnappers post yesterday - even though I disagreed with his tone) is to regenerate the need to get something started.
And I would push for a single issue lobbying group with no candidates, that goes all out to get LibLab councillors elected once the necessary agreement is in place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2004 18:10:31 GMT 1
Kickin, much as I love the fact you've kick started this, Fusion makes me think of: a) A fruit juice b) Some kind of world music group, with people wearing day glo dungarees beating rhythms on dustbins. Love Rowley Park though!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Jan 22, 2004 18:25:32 GMT 1
why libs and dems welshshrew..? that shows we have policital affiliations and therefore hate the torys we should be independant, stand up for one issue alone and make a noise that causes people to listen and take note we have no politics we just want a new stadium - but by all means please debate ! homepages.nildram.co.uk/~matta/party.htmli listen to what you say Llanelian and its interesting.. but is purely putting people under pressure, making them bow to public pressure, putting them in a corner just what we need to do..?
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Post by Llanelian on Jan 22, 2004 18:38:02 GMT 1
Yes Welshrew I agree with you on that one...I don't have a problem with having a focus group, a lobby group if you like, that harnesses the energy. I still don't think however that it helps us being focussed entirely on New Meadow. The problem with politics today, not just in Salop, is that nobody seems to be listening to us anymore. That's why we have all these marches, just like we went on in the sixties, about education cuts, Iraq, fox hunting, pensioners rights, planning issues, motorway extensions etc etc. There is no connection with the electorate anymore. Locally, did we want new council offices, did we want a cinema in the Square, cobbles in High Street, new relief road......sports villages, selling the cattle market etcetc. If the councillors want to do it, it happens; sod what you and I actually want. So we have to go out on the street and make them listen; but.....when it comes to the elections, instead of trying to change or get rid of those that semmingly don't care about joe public, we just don't bother to vote...whats the point...ther'e all the same. Well they ain't...however this lot continue to do what they want, then we get rid of them and give somebody else the chance to prove that they are not only hearing us, they are listening to us. So...the thrust of the focus group has got to be about getting rid of a Council that is riding rough shod over Shrewsbury...and replacing it with a Council with some strategic vision and balls. STFC and the new Meadow is but one example of the highhanded and immoral attitude of an administration that is only interested in power and influence. To give the group some ethicasy, street cred or whatever, we need to put our case in that context. Phew...I am getting wound up...time for a quick rub down with an oily copy of NLP.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 22, 2004 18:53:09 GMT 1
that shows we have policital affiliations and therefore hate the torys we do have political affilliations - to STFC and the future of our football club this forces us to hate the two faced Tories who have slandered the reputation of football fans over the last ten years, stood in the way of any progress of the club, and yet continue to make a personal living selling club merchandise yes we do hate the tories for this, yes we should, they have hated us for the last ten years and now you say don't make it party political, well it is party political, a tory administration in Shrewsbury will not support our football club and will not represent the interests of football supporters in their ward. that is the evidence of their last administration our full energy behind their oponents is what I say
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Post by kickinpretty on Jan 22, 2004 19:44:32 GMT 1
The Darwin Collective -
Evololution and all that carry on. ;D
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Post by theriverside on Jan 22, 2004 22:43:13 GMT 1
Vote for -
'SHREWSBURYS FUTURE'
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 22, 2004 22:54:28 GMT 1
Llanelian is quite right, this will only succeed in splitting the vote any strengthen the hand of the Tories, some good publicity may result from such a campaign but in the end it will probably be self defeating
It's better to concentrate on voting out the Tories if the New Meadow is the aim and that means voting for mainstream pro-New Meadow parties
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Post by tim gallon on Jan 23, 2004 0:23:23 GMT 1
i agree that a single party might only split the vote, saying that you go for a single party in only one seat - SUTTON - to try and dispose Fox and Banks.
i think we need to speak to the Labour/Lib Dem mob and put our support and resources behind them as Town fans provided they help us out if they get control of the Council.
anyway if you wanted a name hows about the "Progresive Shrewsbury Party"
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 23, 2004 1:18:54 GMT 1
Sutton is the one ward where a single party pro new meadow candidate would really be a disaster, because of the entrenched, slanderous and unfair publicity generated by SARA
support labour / lib dems in sutton to get rid of the tories, sutton requires a much much more subtle approach than what Kickin is suggesting
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Post by charlese on Jan 23, 2004 7:35:44 GMT 1
I think you have to be careful here yes it is mainly the Tories who are now killing progress here but in the great schemeof things they are not the only party to blame for Shrewsburys plight There is an MP who has behaved pretyy disreputably in many peoples eyes(though is in support of NM) and I dont think the Tories were in power when Frankwell was decided on were they? I think an even handed approach is necessary Where a candidate from ANY party will support the New Meadow they will be supported where a candidate of any party will not support NM They will be opposed In effect of course that will mean opposing more Tories but the terms it is couched in are important to give Tories a chance to change their minds As has been said earlier this is a very high risk strategy and it would certainly be worth contacting other clubs or small groups who have tried this- Just my tuppence worth
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Post by pawlo on Jan 23, 2004 12:11:48 GMT 1
Im not sure if starting a party is a good idea. Wouldnt it be just as effective and simpler to vote tacticaly? Mobilise the support of your friends and family. No one takes these elections seriously anyway, no one thinks there vote will change the world. My family are all lifelong Town supporters and come election day, they will all be socialists. Thats five ( dont laugh ) extra votes for labour. Although thats not many, regimes have been toppled with less and if you get ten other families in your area doing the same thing, thats...............err..50 extra votes for labour. If everyone who goes to the meadow did that ( 4000ish), that would make..........multiplied by...take away the 3 and carry the 2... ....a lot of votes for pro NM parties. 20.000 votes, properly targeted against the tories would devestate them! Mobilise support, a poster campagne urging suporters to vote tacticaly and just for once make that pencil cross mean something tangible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2004 12:14:20 GMT 1
The one thing that is noticeable in these elections is that it will only take a couple of hundred 'swing votes' in boroughs to get certain politicians out of power.
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