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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 7, 2004 8:37:43 GMT 1
...I'm not too sure thats the best thing for em to be honest, which is a good thing indeed!!  |
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Dec 7, 2004 8:40:24 GMT 1
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Post by shrewforever on Dec 7, 2004 8:42:49 GMT 1
What a result............ They deserve each other,great news  |
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Post by theriverside on Dec 7, 2004 8:58:10 GMT 1
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 7, 2004 9:33:07 GMT 1
Yes, it's getting busy over the road.
Obviously Mr Hoddle thinks Wolves have done something really evil in a previous life.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2004 10:26:24 GMT 1
Am I the only one who has felt sorry for Hoddle in the past? I'm glad to see him back in football management, although I wish it wasn't for the w*nky wanderers.
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Post by McKie on Dec 7, 2004 10:32:30 GMT 1
Am I the only one who has felt sorry for Hoddle in the past? erm, yeah. |
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Dec 7, 2004 10:33:55 GMT 1
Am I the only one who has felt sorry for Hoddle in the past? I'm glad to see him back in football management.  Only Jemson divides users of this board more than Hoddle |
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Post by Mr T on Dec 7, 2004 10:44:22 GMT 1
Am I the only one who has felt sorry for Hoddle in the past? I'm glad to see him back in football management, although I wish it wasn't for the w*nky wanderers. No your not Ant. Hoddle was an absolute genius of a player and I've no problems with his management record either - as a Spurs fan it unfortunately didn't work out - but i don't understand why there seems to be this dislike for him |
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 7, 2004 10:46:26 GMT 1
I agree with Brian Clough's assessment of him as a player and he's carried that forward as a manager.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Dec 7, 2004 11:01:13 GMT 1
Hoddle was overated as a player, too many games he went missing. If he had played for a team outside London his name would have never been mentioned. As a manager, well look at the record.  |
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 7, 2004 11:14:39 GMT 1
Interestingly there's a spiritualist church over the road from the ground.
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Post by Mr T on Dec 7, 2004 11:16:13 GMT 1
Yep, took Swindon, a tiny club into the premiership
Left Swindon, went to Chelsea who were a struggling club and the previous season had finished 17th, left Chelsea to manage England, having totally changed Chelsea's style of play, left them with Gullit and Hughes and taken them to an FA Cup final.
Then England, topped a world cup qualifying group containing Italy. Went to the World Cup, got through the group before a 2nd round meeting with Argentina in one of the best ever games in the World Cup, drew 2-2, had a winner by Campbell dubiously ruled out before losing on penalties, like Robson and Venables before him. Then sacked for other reasons following an 'exclusive' tabloid story.
Joined Southampton, who had been struggling while Dave Jones was absent, left Southampton as an established mid-table team, for Spurs his home club when he had a clause in his contract allowing him to do so.
Didn't set the world alight at Spurs - but then again no one has since the other 1990's.
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Post by Gerry on Dec 7, 2004 11:18:02 GMT 1
Always liked him as a coach, his World Cup 98 diary is a very good read, he knows the game, no doubt about it. His man-management skills are what probably let him down the most.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Dec 7, 2004 11:31:03 GMT 1
Yep, took Swindon, a tiny club into the premiership Left Swindon, went to Chelsea who were a struggling club and the previous season had finished 17th, left Chelsea to manage England, having totally changed Chelsea's style of play, left them with Gullit and Hughes and taken them to an FA Cup final. Then England, topped a world cup qualifying group containing Italy. Went to the World Cup, got through the group before a 2nd round meeting with Argentina in one of the best ever games in the World Cup, drew 2-2, had a winner by Campbell dubiously ruled out before losing on penalties, like Robson and Venables before him. Then sacked for other reasons following an 'exclusive' tabloid story. Joined Southampton, who had been struggling while Dave Jones was absent, left Southampton as an established mid-table team, for Spurs his home club when he had a clause in his contract allowing him to do so. Didn't set the world alight at Spurs - but then again no one has since the other 1990's. Swindon  that turned out to be very dodgy with funny deals going on. Yep its a good record, turning average sides into slightly better than average sides, but never winning anything. Unless you count that 4 team thing in France in 1997. He was hardly sacked as England manger over the one tabliod story. That diary he published was done with crass timing and that Drewry woman was a joke. Well lets see how Wolves go. A win tonight puts them in the top half of the table  With Glenn at the helm that should see them kick on for the playoffs at least. |
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Post by Mr T on Dec 7, 2004 11:36:26 GMT 1
The Swindon scandal wasn't under Hoddle, it was relating to Lou Macari's time in charge if I remember rightly, and I think when the punishment came it was when Ardiles was in charge.
Agreed the drewry women was a joke, but then again how many other managers have tried faith healers, psychologists, hypnotists, exorcists or even witch doctors!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 7, 2004 11:48:54 GMT 1
In the world cup 98 he took the best collection of England players seen for a good long while and made them look ordinary
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Post by Mr T on Dec 7, 2004 11:59:59 GMT 1
Disagree with that.
Best collection of England players? Owen and Beckham had only just come into the team.
Every tournament I can remember England struggle in the first few games, 86 to present.
Look what keegan did 2 years later when the same group of players including the then experienced Beckham and Owen - we looked absymal in all our games.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2004 12:04:36 GMT 1
In the world cup 98 he took the best collection of England players seen for a good long while and made them look ordinary Ah the football fan's opinion - it's what makes football great isn't it? And here is the perfect example.... |
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 7, 2004 12:54:26 GMT 1
Only a 6 month contract.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 7, 2004 13:06:14 GMT 1
A fit Alan Shearer and a young Owen up front
A fit Anderton and a young beckham, with a younger Scholes and Batty biting in midfield
Gary Neville and Le Saux as full backs
Campbell in the centre, he was a colussus, and Southgate brought a bit of experience
Seaman was absolutely on top of his game that year
Put it together a no problem left side position, not problems on the second strikers birth, no important players out of form, no major injuries
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2004 13:14:09 GMT 1
A fit Alan Shearer and a young Owen up front A fit Anderton and a young beckham, with a younger Scholes and Batty biting in midfield Gary Neville and Le Saux as full backs Campbell in the centre, he was a colussus, and Southgate brought a bit of experience Seaman was absolutely on top of his game that year Put it together a no problem left side position, not problems on the second strikers birth, no important players out of form, no major injuries Oh come on Dave - look at some of the players there - Batty, Le Saux, Anderton - average Premiership players at the best. |
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Post by Mr T on Dec 7, 2004 13:16:56 GMT 1
Shearer and owen never particularly gelled as a partnership in my memory.
We still had no left footed midfielder as anderton, beckham and mcmanaman who were around then are all right footed.
Young and inexperienced beckham, scholes and owen
And then unfortunately we lost on penalties to argentina, not helped by the young and inexperienced beckham losing his head and getting sent off
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 7, 2004 13:23:38 GMT 1
average players?
Compared to Heskey, Phil Neville, Darius Vassell, an old David Seaman, and injured David Beckham
I am not syaing they should have won the world cup, but we have not had a stronger line up in a major championship since then
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Post by Mr T on Dec 7, 2004 13:30:38 GMT 1
I think the Euro's just gone was a stronger squad than anything before. A fit gerrard, and the discovery of rooney and lampard in addition.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 7, 2004 13:33:30 GMT 1
Injured useles Beckham
Injured useless Owen
Missing Ferdinand from the backline
James in goal
Vassell / Heskey waiting in the wings
No real role for Owen Hargeaves
Problem left side of midfield
Lampard + Gerrard were outstanding, but without Rooney we were nothing
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2004 14:02:14 GMT 1
Upon hearing the news my offices resident Wolves declared:
to hell with that i'm gonna watch Hereford from now on ;D
Out of the frying pan...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2004 14:19:08 GMT 1
average players? Compared to Heskey, Phil Neville, Darius Vassell, an old David Seaman, and injured David Beckham But Heskey, Neville and Vassell were only bit part players... |
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Post by Mr T on Dec 7, 2004 14:49:45 GMT 1
Injured useles Beckham Injured useless Owen Missing Ferdinand from the backline James in goal Vassell / Heskey waiting in the wings No real role for Owen Hargeaves Problem left side of midfield Lampard + Gerrard were outstanding, but without Rooney we were nothing as i said left side of midfield was also a problem in 1998 with none of the options being left footed. Hargreaves was only used as a sub so he wouldn't have a real role. I personally prefer Terry did ferdinand anyway so i don't see that as a weakness. |
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Post by Minor on Dec 7, 2004 14:52:25 GMT 1
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that turned out to be very dodgy with funny deals going on.
