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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 7, 2005 11:13:25 GMT 1
and to think all of this could have been avoided by a simple email offering help to info@shrewstrust.com
but instead we get someone who dresses up as an alien on the weekend telling me what sounds cool
this is mixed in with personal insults
I think what we have here is someone with a chip on their shoulder the size of a small west african country and an inability to make even the most basic social relationships.
that is, say "hello" to someone before launching into an assault on what they have done
PS This is the only negative feedback I have had at all from anyone. Everyone else I have heard so far was happy with the content and pleased with the presentation.
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Post by dachs on Feb 7, 2005 11:19:41 GMT 1
and to think all of this could have been avoided by a simple email offering help to info@shrewstrust.com but instead we get someone who dresses up as an alien on the weekend telling me what sounds cool this is mixed in with personal insults I think what we have here is someone with a chip on their shoulder the size of a small west african country and an inability to make even the most basic social relationships. that is, say "hello" to someone before launching into an assault on what they have done PS This is the only negative feedback I have had at all from anyone. Everyone else I have heard so far was happy with the content and pleased with the presentation. The same few points are being churned out over and over again, I think this can safely be put to bed.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Feb 7, 2005 11:20:55 GMT 1
Will Welsh Shrew or Jamo come back with a suttle reply? Thats the first time I have seen Jamo and suttle in the same sentence.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 7, 2005 11:36:51 GMT 1
I am going in a min, but dont want to Best thread since Andrew and Annabelle Fox ;D Happy to provide entertainment. Who are Andrew and Annabelle?
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Post by dachs on Feb 7, 2005 11:39:31 GMT 1
The same person
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 7, 2005 11:42:26 GMT 1
Fook me lads what yer like...all you need to do is see who does and doesn't turn up at the meeting eh? If the leaflet and other information has done its job then they'll be a decent turnout...if it’s a poor show then obviously the message didn't get across and its sommat that will have to be addressed. Seems daft to have a pop and argue when you have no idea what the reaction is gonna be by the Town fans...maybe have the discussion after the event?
I didn’t see the leaflet but once I heard a trust had been mooted I popped along and read the info on the ShrewsTRUST web site...now I have a very good idea what a trust could look to do for supporters and the club. As to the specifics of ShrewsTRUST, I guess this is still to be discussed and decided upon? That’s why supporters need to get together and talk...
Maybe we should run a competition to name and design a logo for the trust? I saw this within the supporters trust information on the website...decent enough idea? Or simply ask whether everyone's happy with the name, whether it should be changed?
Anyhows, wish I could attend...hope there is a great turnout and best of luck to those who are getting this off the ground. If there is owt I can do please let me know...
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Post by rob on Feb 7, 2005 12:52:33 GMT 1
we should be embracing everyone, encouraging the dissenters.
What we shouldnt be doing is drawing ourselves down to their level by personally insulting them.
Take him on as a case, after all there will be many more people who share his negative attitude, and we cant be rude to them all.
Encourage him to offer up alternative opinions, debate the merits of his points, try and win him round, but by no means should we be calling him a dick, reguardless of what he says (well not in this case anyway)
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Post by jamo on Feb 7, 2005 13:06:42 GMT 1
I have every right to call him a dick when he so clearly acts like one and is openly rude to people who have at the very least made the effort to encourage good old open dabate. Your right that any fan based initiative should strive to represent all opinions but for someone to make cowardly personal attacks that they wouldn't dream of uttering in the setting of an open meeting is wrong and needs to treated with contempt. Also, it's a little rich to be taking lectures from yourself regarding message board behaviour given your track record.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Feb 7, 2005 13:07:14 GMT 1
we should be embracing everyone, encouraging the dissenters. What we shouldnt be doing is drawing ourselves down to their level by personally insulting them. Take him on as a case, after all there will be many more people who share his negative attitude, and we cant be rude to them all. Encourage him to offer up alternative opinions, debate the merits of his points, try and win him round, but by no means should we be calling him a dick, reguardless of what he says (well not in this case anyway) I have to agree with Rob (oh god) - he is allowed to have his say - i think like some of you a lot of what he (Rogerson) has said is wrong but he can say it as annoying to the hard work you guys have put in or not!! Also from Expeirence the negative critisism we have had for certain elements of the fanzine, we used to constructive purposes, Any feed back is worth something surely even if its just to consider and dismisss See you all Wednesday I will be voting NO (on a side point - i was talking with faginy about this and does anything think there will even be one single no vote? - he told me at the cheltenham vote it was 50/50 and the ST vote was only just passed - cant see anything like that happeing here- Onward and Upward fot the ST)
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Post by ianwhit on Feb 7, 2005 13:15:57 GMT 1
Also from Expeirence the negative critisism we have had for certain elements of the fanzine, we used to constructive purposes, what, bombed the als bit
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Post by john on Feb 7, 2005 13:17:47 GMT 1
This is one hell of a thread. It makes B&A whats it is today a message board ;D carry on
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Feb 7, 2005 13:20:29 GMT 1
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Post by matt on Feb 7, 2005 13:29:48 GMT 1
there is a lot of angry people in the b&a world today isn't there! (just looked at the new strip thread too!) people need to take a happy pill i think! www.2flashgames.com/f/f-716.htm lets all be friends shall we?
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 7, 2005 13:32:44 GMT 1
our right that any fan based initiative should strive to represent all opinions but for someone to make cowardly personal attacks that they wouldn't dream of uttering in the setting of an open meeting is wrong and needs to treated with contempt. There is nothing I have said here that I wouldn't say to the people involved directly. I know some people on this list know me and others I am not sure of because I don't know all the board names, but if anyone involved wants to chat with me face to face they are more than welcome. I can't make the Bury game tomorrow night but I hope to be at Grimsby on Saturday.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 7, 2005 13:36:19 GMT 1
there is a lot of angry people in the b&a world today isn't there! (just looked at the new strip thread too!) people need to take a happy pill i think! www.2flashgames.com/f/f-716.htm lets all be friends shall we? Happy pill was fun - thank you
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Feb 7, 2005 13:51:30 GMT 1
Happy to provide entertainment. Who are Andrew and Annabelle? us amateurs on this ere board a while ago did battle with some Fox's, the only time ever I have enjoyed a Fox hunt
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 7, 2005 13:58:49 GMT 1
There is nothing I have said here that I wouldn't say to the people involved directly. I which case can I recommend that you maybe talk to people about why something was done a certain way before making the judgement that they are incompetant? May I also suggest that tone and wording are important? I won't be at the Grimsby game but maybe after Kiddy? If a Trust is to succeed I think we need the right to discuss everything, dissent that brings positive change should be encouraged, and no-one is beyond criticism The umbrella groups meetings and the planning meetings for shrewsTRUST are a great example of different people holding starkly contrasting viewpoints and working together. Put it this way Steve, there are many things I would have done differently with the OSC questionnaire. I would have worded questions differently. It has not been easy to collate all the information. But did I slag them off? No! I offered to collate the information and help by producing a report of the results. They accepted my offer and it is nearly ready. It is about working together for the benefit of Shrewsbury Town
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Post by timgallon on Feb 7, 2005 14:05:47 GMT 1
This thread can be summerised in the following statement.
"You cant please all of the people all of the time"
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Post by jamo on Feb 7, 2005 14:24:19 GMT 1
This thread can be summerised in the following statement. "You cant please all of the people all of the time" No........but you can p**s off an awful lot through ignorance and bad manners.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 7, 2005 15:29:09 GMT 1
I won't be at the Grimsby game but maybe after Kiddy? Before or during would be better as I normally have to shoot off straight after the game to catch my train.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 7, 2005 15:49:41 GMT 1
in which part of the ground do you sit / stand?
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 7, 2005 15:59:01 GMT 1
in which part of the ground do you sit / stand? Riverside, just past half way line towards the Station End, about half way back.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 7, 2005 16:00:23 GMT 1
in front of the buffet?
Have you ever seen a guy holding a cuddly monkey?
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Post by Mr T on Feb 7, 2005 16:03:40 GMT 1
Just been reading this thread through and i'm in shock Can't believe faginy was offering to buy someone a pint
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 7, 2005 16:06:14 GMT 1
in front of the buffet? Have you ever seen a guy holding a cuddly monkey? Yes and no, that is yes in front of the buffet but no to the monkey.
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Post by faginy on Feb 7, 2005 16:08:35 GMT 1
be intriguing to meet for a pint, interested in what you have to say.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Feb 7, 2005 16:11:47 GMT 1
can i suggest that SY2 sorry shrewsTRUST look into customer care and PR..? a simple answer to Steve's question would put the people behind it in a better light there are many who read on here but never post shrewsbury town is an emotional subject - perhaps the way steve wrote the post was wrong but equally some of the fans reactions to it have been a worry to me one of the gripes we have with STFC is not getting into the community and being customer focussed. what ever line of work you are in, PR and customer care is of paramount importance ---------------------- on a lighter note, heres a pic... homepages.nildram.co.uk/~matta/test/test-Images/4.jpg[/img]
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 7, 2005 16:21:25 GMT 1
I'm the one in the leather waistcoat:
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 7, 2005 16:25:58 GMT 1
I recognise you Steve, I think
Going back to the shrewsTRUST leaflet
in the section entitled "10 things a Supporters Trust is not"
You read number 2 and i'll read number 3 and then we'll have a chat about the future
and for anyone else reading, open and honest debate, looking at the issues and being accountable publicly for actions and decisions.
A Supporter's Trust is not a clique or a new power base that does not listen, it is what you, its members want it to be
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Post by rob on Feb 7, 2005 16:26:12 GMT 1
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